Perhaps, you should stay the fuck out of her business.

[sheshe2]

[GemDigger]

1. This!

[sheshe2]

3. I agree, GemDigger.

Thank you.

[Soph0571]

30. Hoorah I say!

[oldsoftie]

2. This should be sent to every newspaper "letters to the editor" page. Minus the "Fuck" of course.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. I actually don't agree with this.

People don’t get abortions because someone won’t adopt their eventual baby. They get abortions because they don’t want to be pregnant anymore. Providing for unwanted children is certainly important; touting it as a solution for abortion turns people who get pregnant into incubators, and I will not stand for that.

[GemDigger]

7. It doesn't matter the reason why but

it places the responsibility of raising that child that they are forcing onto women.

[Maru Kitteh]

25. Maternal mortality rates are disgraceful in this country. Every pregnancy carries the risk of death.

So whatever reason a woman might have for not undertaking that risk are her business alone.

The tact of challenging anti-choice bigots to foot the bill for completed pregnancies may be well-meaning but it is entirely off-point and plays straight into their bigotry.

Women do not need to justify themselves for making their own healthcare decisions. FULL STOP.

[sheshe2]

29. "FULL STOP"

^^THIS^^

[smirkymonkey]

33. My mother died in childbirth back in 1966 with my brother.

Eclampsia. The Dr. was neglectful. This is why I am so pro-choice. For some women, pregnancy can be a death sentence. No woman should be forced to carry a child to term if she does not want to. Fuck all pro-birthers. Women are not on this earth to to be incubators for fetuses.

My brother was a wanted child, but she still died. We are more than breeding machines. We need to be able to have a choice in this matter.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

34. I hope your family sued that MD into oblivion.

Eclampsia is absolutely diagnosis-able. Even then. That he missed it is grounds for a medical malpractice lawsuit begging to be filed.

I am so sorry for your lose.

[smirkymonkey]

40. My father could have but he didn't for some reason.

The Dr. moved to Florida from upstate NY shortly after my mother's death.

The kicker: My current stepmother was a nurse attending my mother during my brother's birth. I am wondering if that had something to do with my father not suing and if she had something to do with it. I don't know if anyone will ever tell me. I am absolutely certain that there is a secret that I don't know about it, as many people have referred to it.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

46. Three words:

Death Bed Confessions.

[smirkymonkey]

66. Yes. I hope to hear a confession one of these days.

One of these people has to come out with the truth. I can't imagine that they would take such a secret to their grave.

[sheshe2]

35. am so sorry for your losing your mom so young, smirkymonkey.

i can't imagine the pain for your family.

Hug love and hugs.

[smirkymonkey]

38. Thank you sheshe.

The strange thing is that my current stepmother was a nurse in the ob/gyn ward when she was giving birth. She said to others that she tried everything to get the Dr. to attend to my mom, but I don't believe it. She is and always was a horrible person who hated my brother and I.

Many people have alluded to to idea that something was very off about my mother's death but will never be specific. One woman, a nurse, said she would tell me when my father died, but she is aging herself and may not be around by the time my father passes.

I wish someone would tell me. I know there was something very off about all of it. There are a lot of people who are keeping a big secret and none of them will reveal it.

[sheshe2]

48. I come from a family of nurses and doctors.

Caring people. However I agree. Something is off. Your mom died and she, her nurse, became your step mom.

[smirkymonkey]

56. Yes, I hope that someday someone will tell me the truth.

I have already imagined the worst, so nothing they tell me could possibly be a shock anymore.

Thanks sheshe!

[mr_lebowski]

51. Sorry for your loss Smirky :(

Funny though, I was born that very year, and my mom was my dads nurse when he was in the hospital a few years earlier, that's how they met.

[smirkymonkey]

55. Thanks mr. lebowski.

Funny how things are like that.

[Maru Kitteh]

60. That just breaks my heart. I simply cannot imagine the difficulty and pain your family

went through.

[smirkymonkey]

65. Thanks Maru.

It was very difficult. I was only three, but I was told that I was traumatized. I pulled all the fuzz out of my beloved stuffed animals and beat my head against the wall. I would bite myself until I bled. I was just so angry and I didn't know why.

I was very angry and not very nice to my baby brother, which I am ashamed of. I know now that it was not his fault but at that age, I associated him with her death. I would hide his bottle and yell at him. I very much regret it, but I didn't know any better at that time.

[Maru Kitteh]

70. You were traumatized -

- - You are traumatized. I could hear it in your voice when you told the story of your Mom.

Nobody gets through this life without doing bad things, smirkymonkey. It's so hard to forgive ourselves, even when our "transgressions" were the products of unknowing youth and incomprehensible grief. But please remember this: the fact that you care about what you did is absolute proof of the goodness inherent in you.

[sheshe2]

72. Three.

You were just a baby.

I hope you and your brother made it out okay.

[smirkymonkey]

82. My brother did very well in life.

I did fairly well, but struggled for years with serious depression that really held me back. I'm much better now, but feel like I could have been further along if I didn't have to go through that. Thanks sheshe!

[GemDigger]

45. I am not arguing your point. I agree with your point. It isn't about that point.

[riversedge]

76. Well said.

[sheshe2]

9. I don't see that in the tweet.

There is no way in hell that those protesting would ever make that offer. The point IMHO is they sit down and shut up and let a woman decide what is the best for her.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

32. I don't care whether any of them would ever make the offer or not.

Challenging them to do so implies that the only reason people have abortions is because they don’t want to or can’t take care of a child for economic reasons. There are plenty of other reasons. Offering to solve those reasons will not make abortion go away. Abortion should not go away. It is a necessary healthcare procedure.

[demigoddess]

68. I have a handicapped daughter born with birth defects. A rightwinger said

that he couldn't take care of a child like that. I asked what would he do, he said "give it up for adoption". I have been challenged on the street by several rightwinger- pro life types that I doubt if a mother aborting a child due to birth defects could find a couple to take the child.

[Maru Kitteh]

71. "it"

That right-winger called your daughter an "it."

The "it" they want to control is women, all the while they accuse women of casually deciding a week or two before birth they don't really feel like being mommies so evil evil doctors hack apart their nearly-born fetuses and send the stem cells to George Soros.

[Kurt V.]

15. That's how i see it too. that post wants to tell the woman what to do (adoption)

instead of her making her own choice.

[sheshe2]

17. I am sorry.

I don't see it that way at all.

[Maru Kitteh]

59. I do think the post plays into the idea that women need some justification for their decisions and

the bigotry of anti-choicer's that women seeking to make their own healthcare decisions on abortion are poor and irresponsible.

I know they wouldn't anyway, but we should stay well away from the idea of demanding that anti-choicers "pay up" as a means to have a say in a woman's healthcare.

[obamanut2012]

18. Exactly n/t

[Ohiogal]

19. I agree with you WhiskeyGrinder

Many more women die from childbirth than they do from abortions. That's a fact.

A woman has every right not to be pregnant if she doesn't want to. And she shouldn't be forced to give birth.

The promise of an adoption is not the cure all for unwanted pregnancy. Should a 12-year-old rape victim be forced to give birth?

I say this as a woman who has endured 3 pregnancies and 3 less than wonderful birth experiences. I love my kids more than life itself, but childbirth is still a huge trauma to many women's bodies.

(and sheshe, you know I love ya.....)

[sheshe2]

73. Ohiogirl.

That is not what I read in the tweet. Not at all. It was a huge fugg you to all that protest abortions and a woman's right to choose. Sorry so many don't see it that way.

It is late and I have to go.

[Farmer-Rick]

87. Yeah the tweet was more about self righteous misogynist who would prefer to spend 10 min harassing

others instead of truly taking on the burdens childbirth really comes with.

Women have no need to justify themselves for getting an abortion. My wife almost died with our last child in her 5th month due to Placenta previa. I found her in a slick of blood on the floor one night. The doctor said if it had been just 10 more minutes, she would have been dead along with the baby. And this was when AIDS was first discovered and the blood supply was contaminated.

After that, she was scared to death to have another baby. We took care of that. But we already had a beautiful healthy boy and girl so who could ask for more? She always said that knowing she could have had an abortion whenever she needed made her strong enough to carry that pregnancy to term. She was a very strong woman.

[sheshe2]

88. I am so glad you were there in time, Rick.

Best to you and yours.

[Farmer-Rick]

98. Thanks, both children are grown and doing well.

Pregnancy is more dangerous than the anti-choice, forced birth fools want you to know. A woman has a right to make that decision for herself.

[Ohiogal]

89. I understand.

I guess I saw something there that many others did not.

It is correct and goes without saying that self righteous right wingers need to just mind their own F’ing business. It was a good post. It just didn’t go quite far enough.

[Kali]

37. yep

agree

[athena]

61. It's rhetorical.

I don’t think the idea is that anyone do any of the things listed, but that they stay out of other people’s business unless they have something substantial to contribute. The post is just pointing out the hypocrisy of the anti-choicers.

Given how stingy and greedy right-winger are, there is not going to be a single one who is going to offer to adopt a baby and pay for a woman’s maternity expenses. It’s never going to happen.

[Paka]

75. If not being prgnant is the reason...

they turn down the offer. But many would love to have that offer.

I was raped, so no offer would have persuaded me, but if it was simply a mistake, with someone I mutually loved and slept with willing, I would be open to such an offer. Depends upon circumstances.

[cannabis_flower]

80. Perhap

you can't afford another baby and you don't want your 3year old son to worry that mommy might give him away if he's naughty, like a friend of mine.

[jmowreader]

92. Or they do it because they CAN'T be pregnant anymore

[RKP5637]

5. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[blueinredohio]

6. Amen to that

[Cracklin Charlie]

8. I got called to work unexpectedly early one Saturday morning.

A few blocks before I got there, I realized I had forgotten my keys. Being the late 80’s, I looked for a place with a pay phone to call a co-worker to let me in.

About the time I dropped a quarter in the slot, an enormous guy in a grim reaper costume walked up within a foot behind me, and started muttering to me about “don’t do it”, and assorted other crap. I told him “get away from me, freak, or I’m gonna call the cops next”. He walked away.

I finished my call and left. But it was terrifying. I wondered whether some men just seem to like scaring women, and the abortion issue is just their avenue for that habit.

[Kurt V.]

24. That's something I've never considered. (being a man an al) i try to learn every day.

[MontanaMama]

10. Anti-Choice fascists

Need to put up or shut up. And the F word is a-okay with me in this tweet. I’m sick and tired of the Hand Maid Movement these jerks are forcing on women.

[sheshe2]

11. Yep.

PS. Love your sig line. So saith every woman.

[uponit7771]

12. Calling the forced government birthers gets tons of agro on mixed aisle forums. They hate that

... cause it hits home.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

44. And here they are:

Trump -- "Planned Parenthood is like an abortion factory, frankly. And you can't have it. And you just shouldn't be funding it. That should not be funded by the government."

Pence -- "I long for the day that Roe v. Wade is sent to the ash heap of history."

Bitch McConnell -- "Keep sending them (anti-choice nominees) our way, and we'll keep changing the Court system forever."

Grassley -- "We know if another liberal is nominated to the Court that even the reasonable restrictions on abortion . . . these would be swept away."

Lindsey Graham -- named South Carolina Citizens for Life Legislator of the Year for his support and work to implement the anti-choice agenda on both the state and federal agendas.

Ted Cruz -- does not believe in the rape exemption for a woman seeking to end pregnancy because he "doesn't believe it's the child's fault."

Cory Gardner -- continues to push for a national "Personhood" law in congress, in which he seeks to outlaw abortion even in the case of rape and incest AND he he want to ban ALL COMMON FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL. He has sponsored a bill that would make abortion a Class 3 felony.

Tom Cotton -- has said, "I deeply believe that Roe v Wade was wrongly decided and that it should be, and will be, overturned someday."

Susan Collins -- despite stating that she "would not support a nominee who demonstrated hostility to Roe v Wade," provided THE deciding vote that put Schlitz Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.

Scott Lloyd -- the Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, has said, "Abortion is the destruction of life." He refused to allow an undocumented teenage girl to get an abortion after she had been raped, in complete disregard to her LEGAL right to request and obtain same. The ACLU sued the government, won the case and the teen obtained the abortion. Recently, Rachel Maddow, revealed that Lloyd's department maintained spreadsheets on the menstrual cycles of ALL minor females being held in ICE detention camps
so that he could obstruct their legal right to abortion until it was too late in their pregnancies. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

So, here they are folks. KNOW their names. KNOW what they are doing. KNOW that they are attempting to undermine settled LAWS.

[CaptYossarian]

13. The same morons who vote "pro-life"

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end up electing fools who get bribed by air and water polluters and cause babies (who were wanted and loved) to be miscarried and die from asthma.














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[CaptYossarian]

81. My laptop must've had a stroke.

[magicarpet]

14. Clean up your language...

Stop saying FUCK...
And the Fascists will mind their own business and keep their nose out of your business. Leave you alone and cause you no harm.

FUCK them and FUCK that,... being polite to Fascists means zero to them. They would just as soon put a bullet through your head and erase you from the face of the planet.

Kiss kiss,.. hug hug,.. Nazis and Fascist don't speak that language.

[SCVDem]

16. Abortion is decided law!

We need to move on to other important issues.

Besides, pro life? You do realize that most new life on this planet is already a blend.

Less will be white. Whats next?

Genocide? Remember who is really in the minority.

[sheshe2]

26. "Abortion is decided law!"

And who is deciding on a woman'a rights over her OWN body?

That would be these very white and very male persons.

We need to move on to other important issues.

More important issues? Just because a woman's rights over her own body is just not that important to you, it is to US! You are a man and telling women to get over it? Just let the men make the decisions over our own bodies? Not ever!

Less will be white. Whats next?

Ummm. I am well aware we will no longer be a white America in perhaps 2040 according to the census. "What's next?????

Well. we will be less white and far more diverse. I am looking forward to that. Doubt I will be alive to see it.

Genocide? Remember who is really in the minority.

I have no clue what you are talking about here. Care to clarify?

[liberalnarb]

20. I think "protesting" outside clinics should be illegal.

Before you get on me about free speech, I feel this way because nine times out of ten these people aren't just protesting, they're ruthlessly harassing women seeking healthcare in what is often a very difficult and emotionally tiresome situation.

[sheshe2]

31. I agree with you 100%.

Not free speech at all but harassment and intimidation for a WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOSE.

Thank you, liberalnard.

[LiberalFighter]

21. Men or women should not be allowed to stalk women.

That is what they are doing when they are out their pushing their zealotry.

[Moostache]

22. A perfect summation of the state's role in such decisions....GTFO!

The woman, her doctor and her chosen advisers (and maybe the father - IF he is planning to raise said child; if not, he can join the fuck off line too) are the only ones with legitimate stakes in these decisions.

You who has ZERO business in the decision? Some smarmy asshole religious nutbag prattling on about the sanctity of life and blah, blah, blah...if they want these babies so badly, why are they not adopting them by the baker's dozen EACH? Its because they don't care about anything more than controlling the woman and her body and her right to choose how that body is utilized.

The woman gets to choose IF she wishes to have sex...not some asshat preacher, EVER!
The woman gets to choose IF she wishes to be pregnant for 40-42 weeks (or so)...at risk to her health and body.
The woman gets to choose IF she wishes to be a parent for the rest of her life...with all the responsibility and financial and emotional obligations that comes with it.
The woman gets to choose IF she wishes to explore adoption options and carry a child to term...again risking her body in the process and possibly her life if things went south.
The woman gets to choose IF she wishes to risk her very life for an at risk pregnancy...

For anyone having a hard time understanding this, I am willing to come visit you, surgically implant a watermelon seed in your abdomen, then culture that thing until it reaches about 7-8 pounds over 9 months time (making sure to dose you with drugs and hormones that will alter your mood, change your diet, give you cramps and destroy your sleep patterns), I will then induce an artificial "labor" for you by giving you Pitocin and other medications that will cause you to experience whole body cramps and for good measure we will find a way to end this all for you by making sure you pass a few kidney stones...then I will smugly tell you it was my god's will and you have no role in the decision...

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

36. Not to mention that every single pregnancy,

EVERY SINGLE ONE came about because of a man. Not by some immaculate conception.

[sheshe2]

49. Great post!

Boom!

[Totally Tunsie]

23. Walk a mile in her shoes...

[geardaddy]

27. Bing-fucking-o!

[UniteFightBack]

28. I have been asking the anti choice people for years...how many children have you adopted and how

many more you gonna with the influx of babies you so desperately want. They CAN'T ANSWER.

[Uncle Joe]

39. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread sheshe.

[Ferrets are Cool]

41. For the WIN

[gademocrat7]

42. K&R!

[apkhgp]

43. That is one heck of a statement

Why it took one of us human beings this long to come up with it I will never know.

[Nitram]

47. Yes!

[JenniferJuniper]

50. Nope.

No woman should be harassed about not wanting to give birth.

[sheshe2]

52. I think you miss the point. nt

[JenniferJuniper]

54. I most certainly did not.

[sheshe2]

58. Alrighty then, Jennifer.

[orleans]

69. agree.

i also get the point of the meme, however...
i go into an abortion clinic for an abortion -- i want everyone to stay the fuck out of my face. the only thing worse than running into those freaks outside the clinic would be to run into them inside the clinic.

[obamanut2012]

77. Yeah, don't get why this is being lauded

The person who wrote what's in the OP should have just said leave her alone, and worry about all the LIVING kids who are starving, sick, etc. What is posted still makes the woman a vessel and not someone with rights over their bodies and their future.

And yeah, you and I "get" what point is being made, and it is still a rather odious point.

[lapucelle]

53. That's one righteous rant. N/T

[DirtEdonE]

57. They're pro-birthers because they don't give a damn about any babies after they're born.

The hypocrites are only pro-life at their birth but they're suddenly pro-death penalty at their 18th birthday.

[sheshe2]

63. Not at 18.

As soon as the child leaves the womb.

[BlueFlorida]

62. It is THAT simple folks

Pay up or shut up.

You have no right to impose a baby on someone who doesn't want it and you have even a less of a right to bring a child in this world that was unwanted from the get go.

[sheshe2]

64. Correct.

[Paka]

74. Amen!!

[Demit]

78. Sorry, don't agree with this man. He's presuming to know why women seek abortions.

I understand that he's attempting to reason with abortion protesters—although they're not operating on logic to begin with, so that's futile—but he's also presuming to speak for women, to know what's behind their decision to abort, and I resent that.

I think he should follow his own advice. Stay out of a woman's business.

[Socal31]

79. Dear Women of DU:

I am going to do exactly what I believe I should do:. Which is stay the fuck out of your business, your health, etc.

You have the support of all of us, should you ever want/need/ask. And our quiet support even if you don't.

[AlexSFCA]

83. disagree with this sentiment

there is no lack of people in the US willing to adopt newborns. Some wait for a long time. This is not a good argument for pro-choice.

[Madtown]

84. well said

[rwsanders]

85. My wife and I have adopted 3 out of the foster system, and many of our family are

fundamentalist/evangelical. The more virulently anti-abortion they are, the less support they have offered. Some never even sent a congratulations card.

[musette_sf]

86. A sidewalk stalking gestational slavery advocate

is the LAST person who should be even be allowed to be near minor children, much less adopt.

And the whole point of accessing safe and legal pregnancy termination is that the woman does not want to remain pregnant.

Infant "adoption" of the issue of coerced pregnancy to full term is human trafficking.

[wendyb-NC]

90. Well said!

[NastyRiffraff]

91. Bingo!

As many have often said, Republicans unconditionally support the unborn, but once a baby is born it and the mother are on their own.

[sheshe2]

93. Exactly, NR.

[niyad]

94. apart from actually going inside the clinic, that is exactly what many of us have been saying

for decades now "PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR DAMNED MOUTHS ARE"-- do not expect US to pay for YOUR moral righteousness, you damned, woman-hating gestational slavers.

(and maybe they can address why the maternal and infant mortality rates are so abysmal in this so-called "greatest country in the world)

[jmowreader]

95. No, no, a thousand times no

This is what would happen.

1. Mary walks into Planned Parenthood on May 1 at 6 weeks from conception because she has her rapist's bun in the oven. Anti-Abortion Joseph (AAJ) meets her there, in the vestibule where no one else can hear.
"Hi! Whatcha here for?"
'I was raped. I got pregnant. I don't want to have to deal with my rapist for the next 18 years, so I'm going to get an abortion."
"When did you get raped?"
"Six weeks ago, not that it's any of your business."

"How would you like me to pay all your medical bills and adopt your child?"
"Yes! That would be very nice, thank you."
"That's good. Come by my attorney's office Thursday after next, and we'll hash out a contract."

2. Mary walks into AAJ's lawyer's office at 8 weeks. "Joseph's lawyer is out of town right now. He'll be back in two weeks."

3. Mary walks into AAJ's lawyer's office at 10 weeks. "Joseph will be out of town for the next month. He says don't do anything until he gets back."

4. Mary is now at Week 14, and goes back to the lawyer. "Oh, sorry...Joseph's lawyer is moving to a different practice. He'll be up and running at (gives address of law firm 100 miles away) in six weeks. Joseph says you can only deal with his personal lawyer."

(Mary keeps getting the runaround until she's at 29 weeks - too late to get an abortion in many states.) Finally she drags herself into the lawyer's new office and is met by Joseph, three lawyers and two cops.

Joseph says, "Why the hell are you harassing me? I don't know you. I've never seen you before."
Mary: "But you met me in the vestibule of Planned Parenthood and said you'd adopt my child if I didn't get an abortion."
Joseph: "Now I know you're lying. Everyone knows I would never go within a mile of a baby murdering butcher shop. If you don't get the hell away from me right now I'll have you arrested for stalking me and sue you for defamation."

[Power 2 the People]

96. Exactly.

[eggplant]

97. SAY IT LOUD FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FETUS.

Abortion is used for a variety of reasons, including terminating a viable but unwanted pregnancy. But that's certainly NOT the only reason. Suggesting that women "carry to term" without considering the physical and emotional costs TO THE WOMAN means that the only value a women has is as an incubator.

So my suggestion here would be to edit the OP to say this:

"I have an idea for you pro-lifers out there. Perhaps, you should stay the fuck out of her business."

(mic drop)

Also, give generously to your local abortion fund. Don't know of one? Visit https://abortionfunds.org/