What is the downside to just waiting for the election of 2020 to resolve all these questions?

[kentuck]

Democrats can't impeach because Republicans would not convict in the Senate.

The President cannot be indicted, no matter what crimes he may have committed.

Democrats will take over in 2020 and Trump will be forced from office.

In the meantime, we will just bide our time. We will try to pass legislation, most likely will be blocked by Republicans, until the people get to vote in 2020.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Socal31]

1. What are the other options?

[kentuck]

3. The other options include:

Trump may steal another election in 2020.

What then?

[Socal31]

5. I don't buy it.

We have an unbelievable field of candidates, and Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin aren't going Drumph again.

[Codeine]

9. Even with an energized electorate

and no Trump on the ballot to galvanize the deplorables we still lost in Florida last year. What makes you think it won’t go red again?

No offense meant, but I’m just over Florida Man and his voting habits. I’m a bit more sanguine about MI and WI.

[Socal31]

11. I think the VP pick will specifically target FL.

That's guarantees both a diversified ticket and a critical swing state.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

15. Andrew Gillium just announced a massive voter registration drive.

Passage of Amendment 4 meaning ex-felons are no longer blacklisted from voting (I think the legislature's efforts to stifle will get shot down) means more voters.

More voters means more chance of Democrats winning. The Senate and Governor races were extraordinarily razor thin.

I'm sorry you are "over" us "Florida men" but we're in far better shape than ever before to deliver. And don't forget we voted twice for Obama.

[beachbum bob]

2. the thing is, lets place trump and GOP corruption in the limelight leading up to the 2020 election

make GOP defend crooks, keep them in DC and not home campaigning. This is tactical move Pelosi and democrats must do

[Codeine]

4. If you've got a realistic alternative

then I’m all ears. Otherwise, pretty much yeah.

[kentuck]

6. I guess it has all become "normal"?

It took a while but it was just a matter of time.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. Because everything you say is speculative.

We all assumed Trump would never get the nomination in 2016....and he did.

Then we assumed he would never win the election....and he did.

Then some of us foolishly assumed he might not be as bad as he seemed he would be....and he was.

If we have a cancer or some sort of serious medical condition, we don't just sit around and hope it will resolve itself at a later time. We tackle the problem immediately.

Trump is an unprecedented menace in American history and we can't just pretend that this is politics as usual.

[kentuck]

8. I agree with you.

But it does seem that we are doing just as you say above.

[Kurt V.]

10. K&R

more kids in cages. more kids separated from their families. more journalists killed. more emoluments violations. back door dealings with foreign govts. etc etc

[PBC_Democrat]

12. I think waiting is all upside ...

As you correctly stated - the Senate will NEVER vote to convict.
This will give the President crowing rights about how the HoR was smacked down (not accurate, but makes a compelling soundbyte).

The Democrats will be painted as 'out to reverse an election'.

Better to spend our time preparing an unbeatable ticket, passing popular legislation and publicizing the Senate's inaction.

Let's work on redrawing congressional districts.
Let's work on getting voters registered.
Let's work on getting photo ID's for those who need them.
Let's work on having a candidate in EVERY race - from Library advisor to POTUS.
Let's work on reducing the Mueller report to something the average can understand and relate to.

That being said, I don't think that Trump is going to run for re-election.

I think we'll see Kasich/Haley vs Biden/???

[unblock]

13. i think the notion that a sitting president can't be held to account for crimes is ridiculous.

i understand why authoritarians push that concept, but it's never been tested and frankly makes zero sense.

a sitting president (clinton) was prevented from delaying a civil trial until out of office.

other government officials subject to impeachment have been indicted while in office, i think the earliest was vice-president aaron burr for killing alexander hamilton in a duel.

it seems quite remarkable to then specifically say that indictment of all impeachable officers is fine but with the one exception of the president, and also that the president can be stand trial in a civil case but can't even be indicted in a criminal case.


to me, that's quite a constitutional stretch.


never mind that one would hope everyone would agree that a sitting president shouldn't be able to escape or defer prosecution if he killed someone in plain view of many witnesses or committed clear crimes in the course of gaining the presidency in the first place, especially if it also served the political interests of enough members of congress who would then refuse to impeach and remove him.

[KPN]

14. "What could possibly go wrong?"

Lol.

How about WWIII?

[NightWatcher]

16. What possible damage could a madman who is compromised do? I guess we'll see.

Plus he's getting judges who will serve for life. He needs to be stopped ASAP. Every day he does more damage.