NO FURTHER INDICTMENTS "THIS IS WORSE THAN FITZMAS"

[brettdale]

We cant spin this, for two years Mueller was our great hope.

[H2O Man]

1. not

[uponit7771]

2. no

[Codeine]

3. Not for all of us.

I’ve been trying to explain to people from day one that only after electoral defeat or the serving of two full terms will Trump be leaving.

[bearsfootball516]

5. Same. Been saying it since the beginning.

[ismnotwasm]

17. Yup

The information had been there all along.

[tymorial]

34. Very much this

Even if Mueller found a smoking gun, I find it extremely unlikely that the justice department would move against Trump. Even if the Democrats were successful in impeaching Trump, I see no evidence that the Republicans would even try him.

Trump will leave when we make him leave or he has run out his term. One thing I am certain.... we have years of recovery ahead

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. You got that right!! Mueller is a complete and total fraud. Fuck him!!

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Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[bdamomma]

68. nt

[tymorial]

71. Exhibit A nt

[Tipperary]

70. Thank you.

I have been busy all day, and just now checked in here. My goodness me! What a cry-fest!

[donkeypoofed]

4. I'm so disappointed.

[pnwmom]

6. You are WRONG. There were dozens of indictments, including 5 guilty pleas from top Trump people,

and Mueller sent additional cases to other districts to be handled. This isn't over yet, but it produced far more than Fitzmas.

[former9thward]

23. No further indictments relating to the investigation.

No Americans were indicted for crimes relating to the substance of the investigation -- Russia. All American indictments were for crimes which occurred before the 2016 election or for crimes such as lying which occurred as a result of the investigation.

[pnwmom]

24. Why are you pushing the Trump spin? They've already said that Justice Dept. policy

prevents the indictment of the President -- so that means the Mueller investigation was precluded from indicting the President. All it could ever do was indict and convict people around him -- which it did. And the Stone trial won't even begin till November.

We KNOW that the Russian indictment mentions unnamed co-conspirators. There is plenty of reason to think that Trump could have been an unindicted co-conspirator.

Also, we know that someone directed a top campaign official to contact Roger Stone to ask about what Wikileaks was going to leak. Who was the "someone"? If it was the President, they wouldn't have indicted him -- because of Justice Dept. policy, not because the Mueller investigation failed.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Why indeed are they pushing that, eh!

[former9thward]

28. Wrong

Stone was not indicted for anything to do with Russia. Rosenstein specifically said no Americans were involved with the Russians who were indicted. The people around him who were indicted were not indicted for anything to do with Russia. I live in the real world -- not fantasy.

[pnwmom]

38. You are wrong to think Assange had nothing to do with Russia. Assange is a Russian cut-out.

And Rosenstein never said no Americans were involved -- what he said was that that particular INDICTMENT didn't name any. Those are two different things.

[former9thward]

42. Stone was indicted for process crimes.

Seven counts, including one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering.

[pnwmom]

44. And how do you know what will come out in a plea deal? Time and time again

we've seen them flip people leading up to and during trials, and even after convictions.

[11 Bravo]

50. Murder is a fucking process crime.

It's the process of unlawfully killing a human being.
Sorry, but I've heard so much of that "process crime" bullshit on Fox, that I get suspicious when it shows up here.

[ZZenith]

54. And well you should find it suspicious.

[former9thward]

72. No murder is not a process crime.

Please turn in your law degree before you are sued for malpractice.

[11 Bravo]

99. And now let's pretend not to understand the clear meaning of my post.

Hmmmm ... interesting.

[dawg day]

27. There are sealed indictments--

and other prosecutors. And the House committees. We'll see.

[former9thward]

32. Do you seriously think a House committee has more power than Mueller?

People will be posting about "sealed indictments" two years from now.

[pnwmom]

60. Mueller was bound by particular restrictions that don't apply to House committees

or even to US attorneys in places like SDNY.

[former9thward]

74. Ridiculous.

He prosecuted Manafort for crimes which occurred beginning almost a decade before the 2016 election. Mueller had far more independence from the AG than the SDNY which the AG directly controls. Congress does not have the investigative power that the FBI/DOJ has. And it can't issue any indictments.

[pnwmom]

83. You are misinformed. A US Federal prosecutor is bound by the exact same statute-of-limitation laws

and could have prosecuted Manafort for those exact same older crimes, AND s/he wouldn't have been working under the same limited mandate given to Mueller. S/he wouldn't have had to pass off to other jurisdictions crimes that fell outside of the Congressional mandate.

Also, the Special Counsel law was upheld by the Supreme Court only because the SC had no more independence under the AG than a regular subordinate officer. The only difference in this case was that Mueller was subordinate to a DEPUTY A.G., not the A.G. himself, because Sessions had had to recuse himself, and Rosenstein chose to remain in place (for a time) after Sessions left.

[former9thward]

86. If you think -- and you said it did -- that the House has more power than the DOJ

then you are living in your own legal world. Good luck and have a nice day.

[pnwmom]

87. I was addressing the independence of a regular US prosecutor vs. the Special Counsel in the

last post. You had said:

He prosecuted Manafort for crimes which occurred beginning almost a decade before the 2016 election. Mueller had far more independence from the AG than the SDNY which the AG directly controls. Congress does not have the investigative power that the FBI/DOJ has. And it can't issue any indictments.

The House committee can investigate whatever it wants but must refer prosecutions to the Justice Dept.

[former9thward]

88. This is the post I replied to:

Mueller was bound by particular restrictions that don't apply to House committees That is what You posted. You can pretend the House is going to do something Mueller did not but it won't happen. Next it will be "the SDNY will do something". And when that does not happen it will be "the states will do it". That should take us to about 10 years from now when everyone will have forgotten everything.

[womanofthehills]

40. Agreed - Mueller worked closely with SDNY and they can bring more indictments

PoliticusUSA
‏ @politicususa

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) said that there is a strong possibility that Trump's family could be indicted by other entities based on the work of Mueller. http://ow.ly

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Having ZERO to do with Trump's collusion with the Russians to throw the election to him. WTF?!?!

And what happened to obstruction of justice?!

I hate these corrupt assholes!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[WhiteTara]

7. That's the end of this?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?????????????????????????????

[Codeine]

9. Did you honestly expect anything else?

Forget it, Jake — it’s Chinatown.

[WhiteTara]

43. Well, at least I didn't get my nose slit open.

[CatWoman]

8. jesus fucking christ

no further indictments because the report is in.

this does not preclude already sealed indictments.

[pnwmom]

10. And it doesn't preclude indictments in the SDNY, for example, on campaign finance,

or in any other jurisdiction.

[CatWoman]

12. exactly

[GoCubsGo]

14. THANK YOU!!!

Weren't there over 30 of them submitted recently?

[former9thward]

39. No.

[brettdale]

16. wolf said this on cnn

He was shot down completely.

[CatWoman]

18. in the meantime

why not start another thread?

[kennetha]

11. Take that reporting with a huge grain of salt.

"A senior justice department official."

off the record.

Hmm.


Scooping the AG and the Deputy AG and the Special Counsel himself.

Right.

[dawg day]

29. "Who previously hawked toilets..."

Whitaker is gone, I know. But this sounds like him.

[Glimmer of Hope]

13. Schiff just said additional indictments are likely from other offices!!!!!!!!!!

Do not despair.

[dawg day]

35. Seth-- Remember, Cohen was indicted in NY

We *also* know from major media that there are many ongoing cases for which Mueller's office conducted some of the investigation, all of the investigation, or shared information with the case's primary investigators, such as Cohen's SDNY cases and the Maria Butina case in DC.

[Glimmer of Hope]

36. I am only getting my news from Seth! So much nonsense going on right now.

[JohnQFunk]

15. Translation: "DON'T RULE OUT SEALED INDICTMENTS"

The report is the END of the BEGINNING.

The ☞ONGOING☜ investigations in SDNY, EDVA, and New York's AG are the BEGINNING of the END.

Trump is STILL acting like a psychotic with senile dementis.

YOU. WILL. ALL. NEED. MORE. POPCORN. That is all.

[Nevermypresident]

19. Sincerely , what do you mean by the beginning of the end? What's your definition of

the end?

[Jarqui]

55. According to reports, there are no sealed indictments

and this
"It is one of the most momentous documents ever produced by any Federal official ever"
@neal_katyal who wrote the Special Counsel rules

Except due to DOJ rules, we're not going to ever get to read it because the DOJ will not talk about people they do not charge.

[melman]

20. What are all the twitter grifters gonna do now?

Mensch, Claude, "Tea Pain'', and all the rest clearly had no idea what they were talking about. Will their fans finally abandon them?

[womanofthehills]

45. Actually - I follow Laufer on Twitter - Laufer and Mensch make some positive comments

Andrew C Laufer, Esq -

https://twitter.com/lauferlaw

Why are you putting down Claude ? - A good Dem who has been fighting hard for our cause. He's has put up over 40 billboards calling Republicans on their lies. (MadDogPAC) and you f**king put him down.

[melman]

48. Claude is a grifter

[womanofthehills]

67. You are putting down a good Democrat who has put up over 50 billboards with his MadDogPAC

5 billboards of the 50 that Claude has put up in many different states.

[lancelyons]

79. I believe others helped pay for those ads

[gldstwmn]

93. Well yes it's a PAC. n/t

[DontBooVote]

75. Where did you go? And why are you ignoring

womanoftgehills' post in response to your disparaging of a good Democrat?

[melman]

98. What?

I already stated my opinion that Claude and Mensch are charlatans. In my opinion it's quite clear to see.


Others disagree. That's it. There's no need to go around and around about it.

[greytdemocrat]

21. Agreed.

You can't really spin it any other way.

And it got released late on a Friday. Not
exactly the date and time you'd expect
for good news on this issue.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

22. Snap out of it.

Mueller is done.

His job was to investigate and report.

He has done that.

The report has been made, and if there is further action to be taken, that is in the DOJ's hands now. The baton has been passed.

Now, we don't know what the report says, but we don't know what it doesn't say either.

Accept the mystery.

[moondust]

25. Maybe not.

I wonder if Mueller may have held back on some charges that may also be prosecutable by SDNY or NYS to avoid duplicate efforts and pardons. I don't know if they ever do that or not.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

30. You're pushing despair propaganda. Resist! Organize! Vote!

Only democracy will save us.

Also, SDNY and NY state will have more indictments coming.

Also the Dems in Congress have LOTS of investigation to do that they had on hold before Mueller. This lets them go.

[spanone]

31. Nobody knows anything yet.

[ornotna]

33. Our great hope is the next election

Too soon to be freaking out.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. Oh, please. Apart from the fact that We. Don't. Know. What's. In. The. Fucking. Report,

Mueller was never "our great hope" in the first place. If that's what you thought, you haven't been paying attention to the fact that there are seven or eight other investigations going on that are much more likely to be a problem for Trump. Mueller was never going to indict him, and he might be leaving Don Jr. and Jared to the tender mercies of SDNY and the Manhattan DA - which could also indict Trump after he's out of office; the statute of limitations for bank fraud is 10 years. And then there are all those investigations by various House committees.

Jesus. Sometimes DU's penchant for hysteria is really tiresome.

[Afromania]

41. We have to save ourselves. That's always been the true endgame.

The investigations into trump are just starting.

[BannonsLiver]

46. +1

It was always going to come to that.

[LiberalFighter]

47. If you believe that then you haven't been paying attention.

[FrankBooth]

51. My god

This mass hysteria would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic.

[Joe941]

52. Where are the indictments for collusion?

We know for a fact it happened? How can this happen!?

[Codeine]

59. You don't know anything for a fact.

We’ve got pieces. Dribs and drabs enhanced with speculation, exaggeration, half-truths and lies.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

73. It's bullshit... it DID happen, just like obstruction of justice...

All those meetings with Russians?! Not one goddamn indictment for collusion?! Gimme a fuckin' break... and you can fire the lead investigator, Comey, and get away with it?! Really?! And, now, we're sposed to sit down and STFU?! I don't think so!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[madville]

81. Obstruction for Comey's firing was never going to happen

Rosenstein recommended Comey's firing in writing and then he was going to oversee the Mueller probe investigating Trump for obstruction for firing Comey? Rosenstein would have had to recuse himself if an obstruction charge was ever seriously considered.

[ADX]

56. For fuck's sake...

...Some of you need to chill out. This shit is FAR from over...

[FellsPointLib]

57. Putin

Why does everyone assume Putin would not threaten Mueller's life?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

61. Viet Cong not only threaten Mueller, they shot at him. Mueller would not react.

As if nobody would notice if Mueller died and not bother looking into it if they did. So your theory is wacky.

[rzemanfl]

66. Why do you suppose he'd be scared? n/t

[procon]

62. Be suspicious of the unnamed source of this statement.

Special counsel Robert Mueller will not be recommending any further indictments in his Russia investigation, a senior Justice Department official said on Friday.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/22/mueller-will-not-be-recommending-any-further-indictments-in-russia-probe-1233070

Who is making this statement, especially since the Mueller report is confidential and is only supposed to include the attorney general and congressional leaders. Barr's letter to Congress says he will discuss with Rosenstein and Mueller about what should be released.

[Lifelong Protester]

63. Whoever served on the jury

Thanks

[themaguffin]

64. Please stop this bullshit NOW

There absolutely will be more indictments.

[fescuerescue]

65. Beginning of the End

Trump is toast now.

[bigtree]

69. perennial post

[Thekaspervote]

76. STOP!!! Your post is not helpful.. if anything it's detrimental

[Gothmog]

77. From the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[LonePirate]

80. Let me posit a third option - his aides have taken his phone under the pretext of an update.

[Gothmog]

82. Maybe not

Link to tweet

[gldstwmn]

94. If the report vindicated 45 He would be screaming it at the top of his lungs

instead of high tailing it out of DC and hunkering down in FL with his legal team and two press secretaries. He's bracing. The fact that they have had the report since last night and are saying nothing is telling.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. WAY FUCKIN' WORSE!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[David__77]

84. I had little attention on this investigation.

I see nothing demoralizing. Trump can be defeated politically.

[Eyeball_Kid]

85. I suggest that you find your weary way to Seth Abramson's thread from yesterday.

It's over 40 tweets. Abramson is an expert in this matter and you'll likely be encouraged by his rational and knowledgeable discourse.

Give your pessimism a rest. Mueller's investigation can be viewed as an effort to propagate criminal and counterintelligence investigations to multiple offices and to Congress. It's been the MSM that hyped the report as something other than it is. And they've done this for the profit that comes with sensationalism. For months, some have hyped the Mueller report as the Holy Grail of Trumpy's Demise. It's not and it never was. Mueller's report will point to mountains of solid evidence of wrongdoing. And the statement that "there are no additional indictments" does not include indictments already under seal-- indictments that likely began to accumulate during Comey's watch.

[beachbum bob]

89. Mueller may know more with whats going on in Souther District of NY's Federal prosecutor's office

than we do and would make sense as Mueller's task was VERY LIMITED in scope and the Southern District HAS NO LIMITS. Gotta let it play out

[Captain Stern]

90. It is, what it is.

In my opinion, anyone that thought the Mueller report was our 'great hope' was being foolish. They deserve to be disappointed.

Of course, anyone can still say Mueller sucks, or was bought off, or threatened, or is being silenced. All of that is easier than admitting the truth. And, we all like easy answers. I'm not proud of it, but I admit I do.

The truth is, trump is the legitimate President of the United States. He didn't get elected by doing illegal stuff, even though he's done tons of illegal stuff. He got elected because a lot of people in this country voted for him, and they'll vote for him again in 2020. It's not a fun thing to admit, but it's true.

The truth is, if the Mueller report had unearthed a verified picture of trump sucking Putin's cock, while Putin was wearing a t-shirt that had "The USA sucks" emblazoned on the front of it, most of the people that voted for trump last time, would vote for him again. That's the country we live in.

The truth is, it will take work not to have donald trump as President. donald trump can win the 2020 election. If the election were held today, he probably would win. That's the country we live in.

In 2020 we need to have a candidate that makes people that didn't vote last time, come to the polls and vote for our guy or gal. We aren't going to convert many trump voters....but maybe we can can make some of them say "fuck it, i'm staying home"....kind of like a lot of people did in 2016.

[uponit7771]

91. "He didn't get elected by doing illegal stuff," Maybe but his campaign staff sure the hell did by...

... working with WIKI Leaks etc.

Facts not in dispute

- Donald Trump and his campaign solicited help from Russia
- Donald Trump and his campaign received help from Russia

[Captain Stern]

95. Ok. Then I guess that will be in the upcoming (any day now) Meuller report.

Mueller seems to me, to be a guy that's all about the facts. But, I suppose nobody can get every single detail right

I have no problem at all with believing that Russia helped trump win, but what I'm not seeing is evidence that trump did something illegal on that front. And, for me personally, to get on a righteous outrage about a foreign country doing stuff to influence my country's election, I'd have to believe we've never done the same thing. Now, keep this under your hat.....but rumor has it......we may have interfered just a bit in a few foreign elections also (but you didn't hear that from me)

If Mueller's report doesn't have any evidence in it that points to trump illegally getting help from Russia, will you accept that as the truth? I will. And, at the end of the day (or week, or month, or year, or whatever), we'll have to face up to the fact that there are a lot of people in this country that like buying what trump is selling. They're gobbling is bullshit up with smiles on their faces.

[uponit7771]

96. You may be right about the "something illegal" cause I don't all the election laws but soliciting...

... and receiving things of value from a foreign source in order to help out with an election seems like a slam dunk seeing he did it on live TV and then campaign members did it multiple times in secret going to the point of lying about it.

Those are facts IINM

So dem goes on live TV and says Britain, if you're listening, we need those GOP internal rural numbers !!

Dem gets internal rural number from Britian

No crime ?!

If Mueller's report doesn't have any evidence in it that points to trump illegally getting help from Russia, will you accept that as the truth? I will.

Yes, I'm fact based and love it ... keeps my focused.

On the other hand I can't ignore the on its face look of conspiracy and then not even questioning the person who is in the center of it.

Like a bank being robbed, the person of interest face is in the camera with bags in their hand and the po po sends them a questionnaire ?!

I have not trusted Mueller of Trump DOJ from the beginning so I'm skeptical when this kind of up in the face non logic.

[gldstwmn]

92. Worse than Fitzmas?

In which one person was indicted? We don't even know what's in the report yet. I am astonished that people actually thought Mueller might indict Trump.

[Captain Stern]

97. Settle down, man. It hasn't even been 24 business hours yet. n/t