Brexit march: thousands take to streets to demand people's vote - live updates

[malaise]

demanding a new referendum over Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/23/brexit-hundreds-of-thousands-expected-to-march-for-peoples-vote-london-live-updates

[2naSalit]

1. Wow...

I forgot about this. They have some outrageous props in their demonstrations!

[malaise]

3. They never fail in that department

Great pics

Wish I could repost them

[Amishman]

2. No, elections and referendums shouldn't have do overs if someone doesn't like the results

If it was a huge mistake they need to live with it, suffer, and maybe ask for readmission in a few years.

[Glamrock]

5. While I agree with you in theory

I disagree in substance. As it hasn't been finalized, it can get a do over. Especially since the populace has figured out how damaging it would be.

[malaise]

11. More pics

Link to tweet

/photo/1

[Mariana]

25. As I said elsewhere, it wouldn't even be a do-over.

The question on the ballot would be quite different than the one before.

[malaise]

6. The entire Brexit vote was stolen by the RWs and Russians

How amazing that Don the Con just happened to be in Scotland to watch the trial run.

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. THIS

While ordinarily it is anti-democratic and a horrible process to quickly re-vote on something in hopes of changing the outcome, However when there is evidence that an election was in some way possibly "stolen" it is a different story. Which is why there is now a new election scheduled for a U.S. Congressional Seat. Russia did all that it could to influence the Brexit vote toward an outcome of their own preference. Given how close the vote was, and its importance, a second vote now makes a great deal of sense.

[malaise]

13. Well said

Neither Brexit nor the vile MAGAcretin were elected legitimately

[MadDAsHell]

28. What is the standard for "possibly stolen"?

Because just about every presidential election in my lifetime had the other side claiming it was stolen.

[Tom Rinaldo]

30. Well North Carolina has a legal process that they used to determine the need for a new election

so in that case it was not simply a matter of opinion that the initial results were not trustworthy, it is official. And it's my opinion that an official consensus from a nation's intelligence services that a foreign adversary employed a major campaign to secretly alter the outcome of an election counts as a reason to not put the normal degree of trust in that outcome. I admit that I do not know if the UK had an official finding along the same lines as the statements released by U.S. intelligence officials. It may be moot if there is no legal mechanism (such as that which exists in NC) to call a new election. But the means exists for the UK to call a new referendum vote.

[Mariana]

17. British citizens who didn't live in the UK at the time

like my husband and my children, were not permitted to vote in the referendum.

[malaise]

32. Wow

What a mess

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. That was if they weren't already registered to vote in UK elections

for which you still need to be registered where you were when you last lived in the UK - which you can continue for 15 years after leaving.

[Goodheart]

8. Inasmuch as the first referendum was "non-binding" unlike, say, our own presidential election,

I say allow the do-over.... this time make it definitive.

[Mariana]

24. It seems to me that putting on a non-binding referendum

and then insisting that results absolutely must be enacted was a profoundly dishonest thing to do.

[Mariana]

14. Actually, if they had a new referendum, it wouldn't be a do-over.

It would not be the exact same vague question with no details. The question would be substantially different.

[malaise]

15. Here's an excellent read

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/23/brexit-what-next-critical-week-indicative-votes-revoking-article-50

[Mariana]

21. The argument that "the people have spoken"

and the results should be treated as if God wrote it in stone forevermore is crap, especially when it was a non-binding vote in the first place!

Marijuana is legal in my state because we kept putting referenda on the ballot until one finally passed. Each one was different, so there were no "do-overs". Furthermore, if someone can get the support to put a repeal of legalization on the ballot, they're perfectly free to do so. That wouldn't be a "do-over" either.

[triron]

26. What if it was illegitimate?

[Tipperary]

34. Really? Would you say that if we had a chance of a do-over of our last election?

If the people demanded it?

[malaise]

4. Lots of pics here

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1093&bih=526&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=aj2WXLO0JLCL5wKU0o6gDQ&q=london+march+photos+today&oq=london+march+photos+today&gs_l=img.3...26711.28265..29251...0.0..0.120.621.1j5......1....1..gws-wiz-img.oWsxPCSs-sY#imgrc=l_8bZr7QnVKuGM:

[2naSalit]

7. Good

I have been wondering when the people would be out in the streets. Looks like they mean it. I think they should have a second Ref. The Toons of May lately have been brutal but honest showing her blissfully thrusting her bettered self against a brick wall over and over.

I suppose we might have a lot of street marches to look forward to in the coming weeks and months.

[Goodheart]

9. Teresa keeps saying that if they don't go through with Brexit that she and Parliament will have lost

the trust of the people.

Seems to me that most people don't want Brexit, and that she and Parliament have lost their trust already.

DO OVER!

[malaise]

10. My favorite pic

Link to tweet

/photo/1

[2naSalit]

36. I like tha one too.

And wish the same!!

[tenderfoot]

18. Here's a good one...

[malaise]

19. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Fabulous

[Wounded Bear]

22. I take it that when applied to humans, "tit" is not a compliment?

[DFW]

16. It looks like someone lent them the Karneval float from Dsseldorf

Jaques Tilly's float with the British voter being skewered on Teresa May's nose is from the Rose Monday Karneval Parade here in Düsseldorf. I don't know how they shipped it to London, but it certainly is appropriate.

I don't know how much longer May thinks she can get away with ignoring the popular will, but the longer she does, the louder the question of "WHY?" should be raised.

If the people of the UK wish to rescind the decision to leave, the European high court said that would be acceptable. The more May's government works to prevent such a referendum from being held, the more the question needs to be raised as to just in whose interest she is preventing this?

[malaise]

20. Thanks for that

It did look familiar

[DFW]

23. We "Rheinlanders" spot that kind of thing immediately

[Thunderbeast]

27. John Oliver got this one right!

Parliament should put their "big boy" pants on and take the decision as their own. Russian interference and lies distorted the plebiscite. Parliament should recognize the flawed vote, and STOP the entire process.

Britain and Europe is MUCH safer and prosperous as a United economic union.

[MadDAsHell]

29. Progressives in Britain and we in the US both need to get the same enthusiasm for voting...

as we do for the protests after we lose the vote.

Can you imagine how much we would dominate elections if we could get as much enthusiasm for filling out a ballot as we do for marching in the streets?

[Ilsa]

31. Another picture in a tweet:

Link to tweet

?s=19

“If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.” - @DavidDavisMP
Parliament Square, London
23rd March 2019

[malaise]

35. That is great -many more here

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/23/put-it-to-the-people-march-against-brexit-london-revoke-remain-reform