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MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:29 AM Mar 2019

Oddly enough, while many seem to be panicky and worried about Mueller's findings,

it's having a calming effect on me, really. The suspense is over; Mueller is done; other investigations are ongoing.

The silence from the Mueller investigation has ended. From here on out, things are going to start appearing openly and we're going to learn a great deal more about the investigation, little by little and over time.

Meanwhile, the SDNY investigations continue, and may result in indictments and other actions that Mueller did not take. We may not hear much about that, either, until they happen.

But, there is no more hidden investigation going on. We can relax about that and wait to see what transpires.

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Oddly enough, while many seem to be panicky and worried about Mueller's findings, (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2019 OP
The bigger threat remains: Cary Mar 2019 #1
Indeed. They have long been a threat. MineralMan Mar 2019 #3
Authoritarianism is age old Cary Mar 2019 #6
His cult is a discombobulated bunch that get 50 people to show up for a rally Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #5
There were a little more than 50 at Charlottesville Downtown Hound Mar 2019 #7
Is the Muller investigation as useless as Fitzmas? 3Hotdogs Mar 2019 #2
So far, I have no idea at all. MineralMan Mar 2019 #4
How many indictments and convictions did we have from Fitzmas? pnwmom Mar 2019 #9
No. barbtries Mar 2019 #12
there are no more hidden Mueller investigations going on. barbtries Mar 2019 #8
Not investigations my Mueller. He's off the job, now. MineralMan Mar 2019 #11
my point. barbtries Mar 2019 #17
I've calmed down a lot since last night Bettie Mar 2019 #10
Early on there were rumors of sealed gldstwmn Mar 2019 #13
Yes, there have been many, many rumors. MineralMan Mar 2019 #15
Trump can still pardon SDNY crimes. But not NY state. allgood33 Mar 2019 #14
Yes, he can. How many pardons has he made so far? MineralMan Mar 2019 #16

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
3. Indeed. They have long been a threat.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:41 AM
Mar 2019

Their rise to action has been led by Trump, and any sign that Trump is on his way out is going to infuriate them. What that means is uncertain, but vigilance is needed by everyone. Incidents of domestic terrorism are far from out of the realm of possibility.

The fanaticism of the white nationalist movement is frightening to me.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
7. There were a little more than 50 at Charlottesville
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:18 AM
Mar 2019

Make no mistake, they are out there and they are dangerous, and there are a lot of them. There are way more of us, to be sure, but now is not the time to downplay and underestimate them. While I don't buy and have never bought the idea that another civil war is going to happen or is even possible, right wing terrorism is a very real and growing threat.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
4. So far, I have no idea at all.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:42 AM
Mar 2019

We know nothing of what that report will reveal, and may not have details for some time. We can do nothing about that, so there's no point in panic. The story is not over, by a long shot.

Frankly, I think our attention should be on 2020, since it's unlikely that there will dramatic revelations that change the course of history coming soon.

Next November, we have an opportunity to correct the situation. I believe we should focus on that as our primary issue. I know that not everyone is ready to do that. It's time to make our preparations, though, to help ensure an overwhelming victory in 2020.

In the end, the voters will decide all of this, as has been the case throughout our nation's history. We will have the last word.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
9. How many indictments and convictions did we have from Fitzmas?
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:23 AM
Mar 2019

ONE, for Scooter Libby.

No, Fitzmas was almost nothing compared to the Mueller investigation.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
12. No.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:30 AM
Mar 2019

i think i read or heard Rachel say 150 charges so far. it has not been useless. we don't know yet if it might be extremely useful in removing the president from office.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
8. there are no more hidden Mueller investigations going on.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:18 AM
Mar 2019

i don't believe for a minute that there are no more hidden investigations going on. i certainly hope there are.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
11. Not investigations my Mueller. He's off the job, now.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:25 AM
Mar 2019

That doesn't mean that there are no investigations, but it does mean that Mueller isn't in charge of them.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
17. my point.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:41 AM
Mar 2019

if i thought this was going to be swept under the rug...
I do not feel sanguine as you do. The election could be stolen again. the media won't correctly identify trump's base as the personality cult that it is, or address republicans' abject failure to do their jobs. every tweet and every crazy lie uttered by trump is reported as news and not countered with the truth appropriately. sorry to say i feel pretty much today as i have since 08Nov2016: distraught. afraid for my country and my children's and grandchildren's futures in this country.
we are so far from being out of the woods it feels like an endless forest of nothing good.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
10. I've calmed down a lot since last night
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:23 AM
Mar 2019

but it is SO good to have this as a place to vent and see that others are frustrated with stuff as well.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
13. Early on there were rumors of sealed
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:36 AM
Mar 2019

indictments. Also I firmly believe Jared Kushner will be punished for the death of Jamal Khashoggi one way or another. The intelligence community cannot b thrilled with his rogue operation.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
15. Yes, there have been many, many rumors.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:38 AM
Mar 2019

At least that will slow down, once we know more about the report.

Rumors are rumors. They're best ignored until the truth is known.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
16. Yes, he can. How many pardons has he made so far?
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:40 AM
Mar 2019

Since Trump has zero loyalty toward anyone, he's not pardoning people, at least so far. He gains nothing from pardoning anyone.

And you're right, he can't pardon people who were convicted in state court. We may see some of that. I'm not sure.

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