I think reason Mueller did not indict the orange maggots kids is because he knew the cretin would

[kimbutgar]

Have pardoned them immediately. I’m lookin forward to indictments coming from NY and other states where the maggot can’t pardon his kids.

My prediction is that the mueller report will show his campaign did conspire with Russia to influence the election in his favor delegitimizing his election. But it will be up to Congress and the American public to be outraged enough to demand he is removed.

[Andy823]

1. You are right

He would have pardoned them, now they can worry about what is coming for them later on down the road.

[lancelyons]

2. It was a given that Mueller would not indict the president because of DOJ policy however

Mueller could easily say in the report

- Trump violated this law and here is the evidence

- trump violated this law and here is the evidence

- trump violated this law and here is the evidence

- trump violated this law and here is the evidence

Mueller could conclude that he would have indicted the president but for DOJ policy he will not.


The summary would have to include this and leave it up to congress to figure out what to do.


This is what I am betting on.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Plus kavanaugh, the second biggest liar on the planet, has already made it clear he would

decide on a double jeopardy case that would help them.

[Nevilledog]

17. You're referring to US v. Gamble

Lot of misunderstanding about Gamble. Here's the best article I've come across explaining the Double Jeopardy implications.

https://www.popehat.com/2018/10/04/lawsplainer-no-kavanaughs-confirmation-wont-free-all-of-trumps-crimimous-minions-through-an-obscure-double-jeopardy-case/

Where did you see a reference to Kavanaugh's stance on this case?

[jpak]

4. Beat me to it - the SDNY with though

[AncientGeezer]

5. I'm not sure I get it....if the dumpster pardoned the demon spawn...

..that would raise Hugely red flags for everyone with an IQ above a snail.

I don't think Mueller ever considered pardons as a reason to indict or not....it doen't make sense to me.

[Wounded Bear]

8. Do lemmings have IQs higher than snails?

The Repub horde is determined to drive our country over a cliff. They don't care what the report will say, they only hear "No Collusion!" repeated ad infinitum by Trump and the RW echo chamber.

[AncientGeezer]

14. That has what to do with the OP suggesting Mueller was held back by pardon potential?

dumpster could pardon Flynn, Cohen and Manafort today but he instead nailed them to the wall regardless....it makes no sense that Mueller didn't indict the shitheads kids because of a pardon possibility. I suspect it was because he didn't have the evidence in the scope of his mandate.

SDNY...NYC DA....totally different set of parameters...but Mueller wasn't considering pardon possibilities when bringing indictments or prosecutions.

[Wounded Bear]

15. Everything Trump does is aimed at his base...

I don't disagree completely with the purported reasons that Mueller didn't indict. The possibility of double jeopardy might also play into it if he assumes there will be action from NY state AG.

Sure, Mueller probably doesn't care about pardons, but he does care about the law and institutions charged with enforcing it.

It ain't over yet. Plus, we need to see what is actually in the report before we make calls like this.

[AncientGeezer]

18. The OP made a call....not me.

What the NYS AG....or a NYC DA does.. I'll bet my cats treat budget, was not a Mueller consideration....I believe if he had them he'd have nailed them...like you said.."..but he does care about the law and institutions charged with enforcing it."

[JudyM]

20. If that's true then the DonJr meeting was much ado about nothing.

[OhNo-Really]

26. The bar is 1/2 a snail high btw

[Captain Stern]

6. No offense, but that just doesn't make sense.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying Mueller hasn't indicted trump's kids (Ivanka, donnie jr, eric, and maybe Ivanka's husband) because he knew trump would pardon them. Huh? Why would that stop him from indicting them?

[kimbutgar]

7. Because he handed off the reason for indictments to SDNY and other states.

I think Mueller knows the orange maggot is slimy enough to pardon his kids. How do you think that Manafort , Stone and Cohen are facing troubles bore out of muellers findings.

[Captain Stern]

12. Yet he still sought, and got, indictments for Stone and Manafort. And got Cohen to cut a deal.

trump could have (and still could) pardon any of them.

Why would Mueller suddenly decide not to seek indictments against trump's kids because trump might pardon them? There's just no reason for that.

The states can file charges against trump's kids, or anyone else, regardless of what Mueller does, or doesn't do.

[AncientGeezer]

19. Right(?)....I don't get it either. Mueller doesn't give a rats ass about pardons.

[OhNo-Really]

27. please don't speak for Mueller. seriously

[AncientGeezer]

32. You think he does? He wouldn't indict because of a pardon potential?

Then he would have done no indictments...I'm not speaking for him...I'm using what he did....indicted freaks regardless of pardon potential....every ONE of them could be pardoned

[OhNo-Really]

34. Thank you for clarifying you point of view.

I vented my frustration with so many eager to jump to conclusions and speak for others as if they had an inside seat to the minds & souls of the key players in this excruciating long played out terror show.

I hope Robert Mueller & the Mueller team have the opportunity today or tomorrow to hot tub soak for hours, maybe days to detox from his & their grueling two years of trump viewing.

I would be willing to chip in for his & their family vacation(s)

Peace ✨🙏✨

[avebury]

31. It would avoid any risk

of double jeopardy for any crimes that have similar elements (Fed and State crimes).

If there are no Federal charges, States and Local jurisdictions with viable charges are free to go after Jared and members of the Trump crime family. They are not hampered by a thou shalt not indict a sitting President policy. Neither Trump nor his Rethugs Congressional aides could do squat about any convictions.

Mueller taking Federal charges off the table would not br the gift that Trump thinks it would be. It would be a never-ending death by a thousand cuts. They will forever be scrutinized.

[Captain Stern]

37. States can still file charges against someone, regardless of what happens on the Federal level.

Nothing that can happen as far as trump or his kids being charged in a state court is dependent on what Mueller does, or doesn't do.

[uponit7771]

9. But Red Don can give a blanket pardon for any upcoming crimes they could be charged with right?

[kimbutgar]

10. Not if they are indicted on state charges only federal can the maggot pardon

[AncientGeezer]

16. Why would Mueller care about pardons though? He didn't for the other 37 indictments.

[Baitball Blogger]

11. I think there's a behind the scenes strategy going on here.

They are going to face Trump with indictments/impeachment when the case is beyond clear. They aren't going to start the battle on Trump's turf. And the FBI, despite what anyone says, has always had the history of strong support for Republican causes. No matter how well intentioned that Mueller might be, it's probably already infiltrated by Trump cronies.

[triron]

25. I think Barr stopped it.

[Baitball Blogger]

28. Very likely.

This is a new height of stink. The media is talking about degrading trust in the system, and I believe we're way beyond that.

[Hekate]

13. Mueller farmed out everything he could to State jurisdictions, where Presidential pardons cant reach

Bank fraud. Insurance fraud. Other financial crimes going back at least 40 years.

The Trump organization, as people have been saying all along, is a mom-and-pop business. There is no Board of Directors. There is no CEO hired from outside the family. It's just Trump and his 3 oldest kids, with no accountability to anyone except the Orange King.

Well, hopefully those days are over.

A lot of people say government (and schools and hospitals) should be run like a business. Uh huh.

[Buckeyeblue]

21. I agree. He would pardon the kids immediately. I would my kids.

I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't pardon everyone except Cohen once the report is released or at least commented upon.

[AncientGeezer]

23. What would be the upside of that? Of the 37 indictments...there's 26 Ruskies...

that will never go to a US court....only Cohen doesn't get a pardon....makes no sense.

[Buckeyeblue]

35. I wasn't even thinking about the Russians that were indicted

You're right. It wouldn't make sense for him to issue them a pardon. Of course, he often doesn't make sense...

[George II]

24. I think (hope?) enough crimes will be exposed by the report to keep dotard jr, Ivanka, and Eric....

....in court for years to come, much less prison.

I'll bet Tiffany is happy she's all but estranged from the family,.

[MadDAsHell]

29. I've been reading brilliant 8 dimensional intergalactic chess and rope-a-dope...

arguments on here for nearly 20 years as a lurker and poster. I get the motivation to justify away bad news, but I'm not a fan of this current situation.

[mrsv]

30. Mueller was wise not to indict

I believe Mueller's report to be very bad for trump. Any indictments of trump or trump's kids would have been viewed by 1/3 of country as partisan and suspect. It's going to be very chaotic in US when the report IS revealed.
Better for indictments to come from other juridictions and not Mueller.

Barr will not report to Congress today. He knows a traitor is in the WH. How do you tell a nation?

[ScratchCat]

33. You don't pardon someone

until they are convicted.

[dem4decades]

36. Fuck that. If Jr did the crime he should be inducted. We pick and choose now?