Paul Ryan did not just say this!!!

[tonybgood]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/24/ryan-on-abortion-exceptions-rape-is-just-another-method-of-conception/

I cannot believe that the GOP nominee for vice-president just endorsed a criminal act!!! Do you have to have a lobotomy to run on the tea party, far right, GOP ticket? If he is not booted from the ticket for this, then it's open season on women. What has this country come to when such disgusting, immoral people are the leaders of a major political party? Unbelievable!!!

[madaboutharry]

1. What a disgusting person.

[Fla Dem]

125. Yes, and he's pretty ugly inside and out.

I actually do not find him at all attractive or good looking. He got kind of a goofy, hang dog face, like silly putty. However, not one to judge a person by their looks, I do judge him by his thoughts and deeds. He's just an ugly person.





Mr. 'Rape is just another ‘method of conception’

[lsewpershad]

151. Yup

With his small brain in the wrong head.

[Neoma]

2. ....

[Mister Ed]

85. The GOP belief system make perfect sense if you just think it over...

See, rape is just another method of conception. Except it's not a very good method, because everyone knows you can't get pregnant from being raped. At least, not from being legitimately raped. But if you do get pregnant from being legitimately raped, they'll make you have the baby, and then call the baby illegitimate.

Oh dear god. Now my head hurts.

[lunatica]

119. That's something like George Carlin would say!

I instantly thought of him when I read it. Love it!

[gordianot]

163. As Spock from Star Trek would say "Flawless Logic".

Just too bad the underlying principle Mr. Akin uses is not supported by fact but that at least shows there could be a logical outcome. A Republican could never think of that on his/her own process. Watch out some Republican could read this satire and borrow satire for a program the same way they embraced "self deportation".

[freshwest]

3. Women are just vessels to create cannonfodder. Welcome to Christofascism.

[bunnies]

4. sweet jeebus!

how can any woman in the country vote for these "people"?

[Tom Ripley]

5. The Rapepublican Party

[99Forever]

104. Can I use that?

Seems a perfect description built right into their name.

[Tom Ripley]

135. Of course, shout it from the rooftops!

[MsPithy]

171. Fuck yeah!

I'm going to use it, too! Let's make them sorry they ever uttered "Democrat Party."

[uponit7771]

6. ah, so no wonder rMoney went birther

[demwing]

19. there was a farmer

had a dog

[Cleita]

7. Besides the odiousness and creepiness of this remark,

it's really a super dumb thing to say!

[MissNostalgia]

82. & even dumber

He said this and it was filmed, the lazy national TV fake news media has no excuse to not pick this up. If he said this to a newspaper or another written editorial that one would have to read, it would be as if he never said it, because reading and investigating stuff is hard for some people.

[Cleita]

86. Welcome to DU!

Yes, the dumb is excruciating all the way around.

[malaise]

8. Good effing grief

Rape is just another ‘method of conception’

Rape is a crime.

[Wednesdays]

94. It's a crime only if it's a legitimate rape

It's not a crime if she doesn't resist vigorously enough.

[malaise]

98. These fuckers are sick

seriously!

[lunatica]

121. yet he's against test tube babies.

Probably because it makes men's actual participation, violent or otherwise, unnecessary.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

9. No doubt a disgusting position to have

But where exactly did he endorse a criminal act?

His views are without a doubt extreme, but at least he's consistent, i.e., in his mind, life is life, regardless of how it was conceived. Unlike the so-called "pro-lifers" that are only against abortion if a woman consents to sex and becomes pregnant, i.e., slut-shaming.

[demwing]

17. "rape is just another form of conception" ???

OK, maybe "endorsing" is a poor word choice. Would "condoning" be closer? Not yet? ok, how about "minimizing the criminality of..." - yeah, that works.

"Paul Ryan is minimizing the criminality of a brutal, violent felony."

Well I, for one, am damn glad we got that straightened out, I feel much better about that greasy headed douche nozzle.

Much appreciated.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

22. Sorry, but words have meaning

I expect Republicans to lie and mislead with their words, but I expect better of Democrats. What he said was bad enough without exaggerating it beyond what he said.

[demwing]

26. I don't think it was that gross an exaggeration

surely not nearly enough to merit chastisement. It's an emotional subject, he's a rancid dick, and he deserves EVERY negative response he's received so far in THIS thread.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

28. Pointing out an obvious inaccuracy is not chastisement n/t

[demwing]

63. Sure it was, you completely came in here chastising people

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who were attacking Ryan.

Shame on you...

[SickOfTheOnePct]

149. Nope, didn't chastise anyone

But as I'm 100% pro-choice, I support your right to believe whatever you choose.

[demwing]

154. Your Post #22 ("Sorry, but words have meaning")

"I expect Republicans to lie and mislead with their words, but I expect better of Democrats. What he said was bad enough without exaggerating it beyond what he said."

That's a chastisement. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

158. Same with you

You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts. And the fact is that nowhere in the article did Ryan endorse rape.

If you choose to believe that I chastised the OP, have at it. You are welcome to your own opinions as well.

[demwing]

160. Go make shit up somewhere where people will accept it

it's not happening here.

[ann---]

68. Rape is a crime

and the victim should not have to PAY for the crime by having a criminal's baby that she DIDN'T ASK FOR.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

141. I agree with you 100% n/t

[FatIrishBastard]

169. Dude!!?!

Just....................don't, not here.

[tonybgood]

32. It isn't an exaggeration.

In the context of the phrase, rape is just another form of conception in the same way as taking a vitamin pill is just another form of nutrition. I don't see that as an exaggeration at all. In fact, because there is no disclaimer about rape being immoral, illegal, or in any way an "improper" form of conception, he is indeed "endorsing" rape as an acceptable form of conception.

[kestrel91316]

39. STOP DEFENDING THAT ASSWIPE RIGHT NOW

[CabCurious]

42. We're either honest and accurate, or we're behaving just like them.

And saying that isn't a "defense" of Ryan.

[demwing]

58. The range of emotions we feel, thoughts we sense

and experiences that even the least exciting of us will collect in a single day are too expansive to fit into your trim "either/or" portrayal of the world.

[treestar]

115. Don't let emotions cloud your judgment

It's a good way to lose a debate.

[demwing]

126. I would counter that an emotional response could be exactly what is required in a debate

just ask Mike Dukakis.

[demwing]

127. BTW - Here's what Dukakis could have said

"Bernard, that's a shameful question, try again." And then refused to answer.

or

"Bernard, are you asking me as a father and husband, or as a President? Because as a father and husband, my response would be much like yours, or any man's, and in my personal suffering would live a desire to see such a man die (...pause...) However, as the President, I would be charged with putting my own suffering to the side, and doing what is best for my country. America deserves a President that knows the difference between revenge and justice, and there is no justice in capital punishment."

That answer would have rocked the debate, maybe changed Dukakis' future.

[treestar]

129. It never is

Because now Ryan can paint his opponents as liars, saying he never said that.

Better to deal head-on with the issue. It's up to the woman's choice, rape or not. Rather than misrepresenting what he said and allowing him to play the victim.

[demwing]

130. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

Showing emotion gives you humanity. Sometimes you must address the emotional impact of an event with a little emotion of your own.

Off handedly dismissing a comment and a very applicable example isn't a strength, it's a weakness. Politics is more than pure theoretical debate on dry issues, it's often emotionally charged, and requires a range of communication skills that extend beyond the purely intellectual.

Show of emotion is something Republicans do well. That doesn't make such displays bad, it makes Republicans more effective. Being right on the issues is something Democrats do well, but we don't have to choose between the two, we can be right, and still be angry, happy, excited, thoughtful, empatheic, warm, and fiery. If we did, we'd win more often.

[treestar]

131. I think you are talking about a different issue

Showing some emotion or passion is a different thing than letting emotions carry you into exaggeration. Passionately defending a woman's right to decide on termination of pregnancy, regardless of "method" of conception is a good response. Responding to Lyan by saying he's condoning rape just lets him go off into victim territory as misrepresented and so now we are talking about whether poor Lyan is being misrepresented and saying nothing about a woman's right to bodily integrity.

[demwing]

140. I understand the distinction, my point is different

Politics is played on an emotional battlefield. Rape is a emotionally charged issue. If Paul Ryan does not want to open himself to emotional responses, exaggerated or not, then he should stay the hell off the playground. I don't have to agree with every response in this thread to be able to say that Ryan deserves every response, exaggerated or not.

Ryan poked a tiger in the nose. If he comes back crying that it was unfair to have gotten his finger or hand bitten off in the process, that doing so was irrational of the tiger, well too fucking bad for him. If this threatens to change the conversation from "bad Ryan" to "bad Tiger," there are ways to counter that (such as pointing out that even if it were wrong or inaccurate, it was avoidable by just keeping your finger out of the tiger's face!), or to use the debate in order to controll the conversation.

Do you think Paul Ryan wants to spend the rest of the election debating whether people over-reacted to his stupid comments? How does that allow him to stay on message? How can he talk about the economy when he's defending himeself against accusations that he supports rape?

I'd love to have Ryan stuck on this topic, it works for us, not against us.

Thanks to DUer hifiguy for this:

Legend has it that LBJ, in one of his early congressional campaigns, told one of his aides to spread the story that Johnson's opponent fucked pigs. The aide responded "Christ, Lyndon, we can't call the guy a pigfucker. It isn't true." To which LBJ supposedly replied "Of course it ain't true, but I want to make the son-of-a-bitch deny it."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002579626

[heaven05]

147. no

i found no exaggeration...anyryan saying something improper such as "rape is just another form of conception" can elicit a wide range of outrage and all within bounds with an over the top comment that has no sympathy, empathy or even saying something simple like rape is a reprehensible act of a coward. I found no exaggeration or inappropriate emotion in any response concerning aynryans stupid remark.

[treestar]

159. that's not what he said in quotes

though a fair characterization.

I do like "aynryan" though!

[magical thyme]

62. calling rape "just another form of conception" certainly is condoning

Tacit acceptance is permission.

What he said is despicable. And yes, it is open season on women.

I've had enough of this nonsense. 9 years ago I was driven out of my home by a registered sex offender and his gang of thugs. I lost my career and my retirement savings. After 3 years of incredibly hard work in a brutally difficult allied health care program, I started a new job and within 4 months found myself the target of sexual harassment by a couple tea party co-workers and their friend; a brain-damaged, divorced, alcholic janitor whose own son will have nothing to do with him and who "has a hard time accepting no" and harassed his last target until she married somebody else.

I've fucking had it with the attitude of the right wing tea party nutcase assholes. My next major purchase will be a gun, along with license to carry concealed.

You fucking assholes want to fuck me so bad? Prepare to have your fucking nuts blown off.

[CabCurious]

97. attack me all you want, but that ISNT what he actually said

and no, i dont agree with what he actually said, either.

[99Forever]

107. So now you are defending Paul Ryan?

What is your agenda here?

[CabCurious]

108. of course im not defending ryan... but i see you're stalking and flaming again

[99Forever]

110. If asking someone who is consistently posting RW talking points..

.. on a Democratic website what their agenda is, is "flaming," then so be it.

What is your agenda here?

[CabCurious]

111. Feel free to have a jury review MY posts... because I'm about to ask them to check YOURS

I criticized Assange... and now you stalk me with this nonsense.

One more time and I report you. Feel free to have a jury review MY posts... while they check YOURS

[treestar]

114. Now you've equated being logical with RW talking points.

And they said it could not be done! Good job!

[heaven05]

150. you are entitled

to say and feel what you want on any subject here. There ARE a lot of different agendas on this sight. If you feel you are right, stick with it, ignore the attacks based on personal agendas or egos

[CabCurious]

175. ...so many personal attacks and bullying

Doesn't exactly lend itself to inviting intelligent, honest input from mature people.

[treestar]

112. He didn't condone rape itself

He didn't say the rape should not be punished under the criminal law. But then he doesn't get into that, at least in that exchange. Maybe someone should ask him that.

He may not believe Akin's nonsense, and therefore accept that a woman might truly be pregnant as result of a rape. Then the rapist ought to go to jail and the woman should have the baby, is his opinion. Doesn't mean we can't condemn that opinion as is.

[heaven05]

148. i don't blame you

[Bernardo de La Paz]

157. ... but he didn't say what you write.

[Progressive dog]

101. Paul Ryan is saying that he believes that a rapist's sperm

has more rights than a living woman. What part of this do you not understand.

[yardwork]

105. That's it. That's exactly what Ryan is saying.

The crime of rape is beside the point to Ryan. Ryan disagrees with the law that says women have a right to choose to have abortions. Ryan wants to change that law, take away the right of the woman to decide what is best for her, and give more rights to the rapist and the zygote than to the woman.

[CabCurious]

109. yes, that's exactly it on the money

[SickOfTheOnePct]

142. Who defended him?

I certainly didn't - I think his comments are disgusting, but disgusting doesn't equal endorsing a crime.

[JohnnyRingo]

128. Personally, I don't think it's an exaggeration so much as amplification.

It's the oldest political trick in the book to wait until an opponent says something potentially damaging then hold up a megaphone in front of their mouth.

These days the internet and social media makes this much easier to do, and Democrats have mastered the new tecnology thanks in large part to Howard Dean, who's supporters pioneered use of the network. While Democrats now have the internet figured out, the relatively lower tech Republicans have the art of the email hoax down pat.

From "Obama didn't salute" to the birther theory, I've seen them all in my inbox. Dems don't seem to do that, prefering actual web sites to get their message through. That's why Romney doesn't actually post on his own Facebook page. He has a younger aide do it.

[xxqqqzme]

144. 'without exaggerating'?

ryan was asked:

'“Specifically where you stand when it comes to rape, and when it comes to the issue of should it be legal for a woman to be able to get an abortion if she’s raped?” WJHL reporter Josh Smith wondered.

He replied "I’m very proud of my pro-life record, and I’ve always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life,” Ryan explained.'

You think there is no exaggeration in that adopted idea...the position. He even says he is PROUD of his record because of his adopted idea/position and rape in NOT an exception. There is no reason to exaggerate anything, unless a person is in agreement w/ his exaggerated idea/position.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

145. Yes, exaggeration

Saying that Ryan condoned a criminal act, i.e., rape, is an exaggeration.

[heaven05]

152. no

no

[CabCurious]

31. It's misleading...

What he said is bad enough as it is.

[demwing]

61. NO. There is no upper limit on what criticism Ryan should receive for this comment

It's vile, sub-human, and incredible stupid, politically.

That man cannot be that stupid.

Therefore, he must be more vile than we first believed of him (which, honestly, is hard to imagine).

Being that vile, Paul Ryan deserves whatever condemnation he receives, even if it offends you. Sorry, I'm not deaf to your point, just otherwise motivated.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I can. The RNC became a radical party a while ago

in other words, wake me up when they stop their radical views.

[glinda]

11. ...

[Ineeda]

164. Absolutely puke-worthy.

(Off topic, but did you notice that you were response #11, and that it was your 11,111th post? Cool.)

[glinda]

183. Wow. That is indeed coool!

[progressoid]

12. What an awful person.

[WI_DEM]

13. "just another form of conception" and will the MSM let this go by, too?

[demwing]

14. He did just say that, and we should make sure EVERYONE hears it

Share the HELL out of this...

[creeksneakers2]

46. The headline says that

but the quote in the text doesn't. He's talking about the fetus, not the act or the victim. He says the fetus is still a life.

[Scootaloo]

87. And in context...

He's saying it doesn't matter what the form of conception is, women should be forced, by federal law, to carry the results to term.

This is coming from a guy who, if he's at all like most Republicans, feels that taxation is "violence" because it's mandated by law. "Demanding my money at the point of a gun!"

Fuck Ryan, and fuck the DU'ers who want to nuzzle up between his cheeks like a calf looking for a teat.

[Caretha]

15. Sometimes I wish that Karma

was more quick & efficient in some cases. This being one. This sorry excuse for a human sitting stupidly on his stool needs to spend the next 15 years in CELL C.

Only, and only then will he get the message of what seriously depraved men are like.

[Stuart G]

16. How much play will this comment get???nt

[JDPriestly]

18. He has utterly no appreciation or respect for women.

I hate to say it but that is the teaching in some (by no means all) quarters of the Catholic Church. Women are evil and sinful, something to shun. And they certainly can't make decisions for themselves about their bodies.

He completely disregards women, mothers, and focuses on the fetus. It's just a completely male chauvinist view of the world.

[spanone]

20. the republican taliban

[MrSlayer]

21. How should it be phrased?

"Rape is one way a woman might become pregnant."

"Rape is one method by which a woman might become pregnant."

"If a woman is raped, she may become pregnant."

I think we're going crazy with this. No fair minded person is going to take what he said as an endorsement of the act of rape.

[AndyTiedye]

29. "Just Another"

[MrSlayer]

50. At its base, it is.

It is one of many ways a woman may become pregnant.

He is not endorsing rape. Saying that he is, is the sort of thing they do. We need to get a grip here.

Trying to say that rape varies in degree as they did with the "forcible" shit is fair game.

[BlueStreak]

77. I think you miss the point

I agree he wasn't promoting the idea of rape in order to make more fetuses he could then fight for. That is not the issue.

The issue is that rape is a horrible, violent crime that scars its victims for life. He has shown absolutely no human compassion for that. And his statement "just another form of conception" essentially dismisses the horrendous nature of this crime, just as if he would have said, "Oh well, shit happens, but I'm a pro-lifer."

That is the issue.

I will never understand the twisted mind of a person who could put a rape victim through at least another 9 months of hell -- and maybe an entire lifetime if the victim feels strongly that she must raise the child -- for the sake of a zygote that is at minimum 8 months away from being what any reasonable observer could call a "person" or an "independent life".

Terminating a zygote -- a few cells smaller that the head of a pin -- versus putting a victim of a horrible crime through 9 months of emotional hell? What kind of a sick mind sees any equity there?

[AndyTiedye]

88. Even if it Falls Short of an Endosement, the Language is Still Unacceptable

It is one of many ways a woman may become pregnant.

But it is not just another way a woman may become pregnant.
It is also a horrible act of violence.

[xtraxritical]

30. I think the point was more about raising the rapist's child.

[tonybgood]

35. I would again point you to the context of what he said.

He didn't disavow rape. He didn't say it was a heinous crime. He didn't even say he was personally opposed to rape. He said it was just "another method of conception". I'd say declaring it just another way of doing something is, in fact an "endorsement".

[CabCurious]

40. He isn't defending rape. He's saying it's irrelevant in matters of abortion (in his WRONG view)

If we try to twist his words into some kind of defense of rape, then we're being as guilty as them when they completely twist Obama's words to mean something it clear does not.

Yes, we disagree with Ryan's position that it rape doesn't matter in terms of abortion.

[tonybgood]

52. If rape is "irrelevant", then why punish the rapist?

It is not just about abortion, it's about a criminal act. To declare that a criminal act is irrelevant to what can be done afterwords, just doesn't make sense. He is, in fact, saying that if you are raped, that the woman must accept the consequences of a crime in which she is the victim and, furthermore; she must accept that she has no choice in the matter. Are you saying you don't see that as a tacit endorsement for any man to just grab any woman? Do you not see this for what it is; a "caveman" method of procreation? It isn't that we disagree with Mr. Ryan on abortion, it's that we disagree on what he considers "acceptable" behavior.

[treestar]

116. Maybe that's why Ryan thinks

But he didn't reveal it in that conversation. He may still think the rapist goes to jail in this scenario.

There are women out there who would think the same thing and claim they would bear the rapist's child (I've heard actual right wing women say this). Maybe they are deluding themselves, because they have never been raped. Some people will go to any lengths regarding "God's will."

[Iris]

133. 30%

That's the number of rape victims who become pregnant and decide to give birth. I'm not sure that all of them raise the child themselves, but that's the number 2 studies done on this matter have come up with.

[treestar]

113. He didn't actually say it was another method of conception in quotes

“I’m very proud of my pro-life record, and I’ve always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life,” Ryan explained. “But let’s remember, I’m joining the Romney-Ryan ticket. And the president makes policy.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/24/ryan-on-abortion-exceptions-rape-is-just-another-method-of-conception/

So it is a fair deduction that he is calling rape just another "method of conception" but not an exact quote.


ETA: typical republican crap that the Veep is a nobody. If something happens to RMoney, then he'll be making the policy. That's the reason for this position. (I ran into this right wing crap when asking birthers why they did not need to see Biden's long form birth certificate and they made the excuse he was only running for Veep - well the point of having a Veep is so he can step in and so he/she should be qualified for the job. God they are such racist bastards.)

[neverforget]

74. It's incredible that a violent act against a woman is not factored into this, just

the possible fertilized egg. That is a sickening position.

[Iris]

134. Incest is how we get good race horses?

When someone can so callously let something like this loose, it says a lot about what they think of women.

[tanyev]

23. So is IVF, but he's opposed to that.

[Loudly]

67. At the very least, he supports the power of the States to outlaw it.

Strangely, that Sanctity of Human Life Act H.R. 212, which is very short in its wording, expressly protects clones!

[LongTomH]

24. Yeah! I frequently have trouble believing that a Republican nutcase actually said what he said!!!!!

They're c-c-crazy!!!!

[Chemisse]

25. He did not endorse or condone rape.

He just didn't feel it changed the situation. He is a purist, it seems. At least he is willing to stand up there and show what an asshole he is, unlike Romney.

Romney may be experiencing a bit of buyer's remorse. He's probably having Ryan fitted for a muzzle by now.

[bunnies]

27. Doesnt matter.

Rape is not "just another form of conception". Its a most violent, degrading, and invasive act against women. The fact that rape is the same as consensual procreation to Paul Ryan is MOST disgusting and speaks volumes about him as a person.

[Cha]

34. Precisely! How dare he equate rape with another form

of conception..mfingdumbshit.

[CabCurious]

36. If we want to win the arguments, then we need to be sincere and honest about what is said.

[Chemisse]

38. Yeah that was why I posted.

There is no need to add drama to his words; they are plenty damaging on their own.

Just keep talking, Ryan!

[bunnies]

41. I agree.

& thats exactly what I did.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

156. Absolutely. Plus one.

[tonybgood]

181. Since I started this thread, let me interject:

CabCurious:

I've gone back and read all the posts up to hear. I understand your point but question your reasoning. Winning an argument is not the point. My point in using the word "endorsing" was an honest effort on my part to convey not just what Mr. Ryan said, but the way he said it and his body language while he was saying it. Rape, to him, is an occurrence that causes conception; which is all that he is concerned. The creation of life, no matter the circumstances, is this man's sole consideration. He sees any fertilized egg by any process in which it occurs as inviolate. That, in my humble opinion, does indeed mean that he endorses any method which creates a fertilized egg in a woman. Only one person's consent is required because Mr. Ryan does not believe that women have the capacity to make decisions for themselves. That makes rape just another form of conception of which he makes no distinction. Hence an endorsement.

If you wish to question my semantics, you are entitled and welcome to do so. Questioning my sincerity and honesty, however; I do take exception. I didn't write this post in an attempt to win an argument but to demonstrate the point of view of Paul Ryan and those whose thoughts are similar to him. If that doesn't meet your standards of "sincerity" and "honesty"; perhaps we have different ideas about what those words mean.

[pokerfan]

44. and in 31 states

the rapist can be granted visitation rights as the biological father.

[bunnies]

55. And you know whats truly sick about that?

I mean, beyond the fact the the rape victim has to deal with her rapist for 18 yrs, is the fact that selling pot in college can keep you from adopting a kid. Rape a woman and you make a great dad.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

155. It matters because he didn't say what you write he said.

[Cha]

33. OMFZ! And, his dumbshite

photo is supplied to emphasize..

[Swede Atlanta]

37. While I don't agree with him I do understand......

that for this brand of Christians, "life" is limited to that period of time from conception to birth. They don't acknowledge life after birth. For that matter they aren't too concerned about ensuring the mother and the fetus both receive appropriate pre-natal care, nutrition, safety, etc. They are just concerned that the "bun in the oven" stays in the oven until it is ready.

From birth they totally disavow any responsibility or interest in the child from ensuring the child has a safe and loving home, appropriate healthcare, nutrition, love, etc. They could care less if the child gets an appropriate education or has opportunity for a future.

[Chemisse]

43. And if that child should grow up and commit a violent crime,

(or at least look sort of like someone who maybe committed a crime) they will be happy to snuff out that "precious" life.

[ejbr]

45. Is he suicidal? Cause he might just have a death wish n/t

[DesertRat]

47. OMG

[robinlynne]

48. I love it when they show their true colors.

[Freddie]

49. Nothing pisses women off more

Than "no exceptions for rape"; even all but the most radical hard-line pro-lifers. Because what Paul Ryan is saying is this: you are worth less than the diseased jizm (sorry) of a rapist. No other interpretation.
This is why far more many women than men hated Sarah Palin.
We have to scream this story from the rooftops.

[coalition_unwilling]

123. Bravo! Well said! - n/t

[creeksneakers2]

51. There's a contradiction that isn't getting attention

Ryan says that abortion is taking a life. If that's what he believes, how can he turn his back on lives just to support Mitt Romney?

[bluemarkers]

53. and what do the wealthy do with unwanted pregnancies?

They put their daughters on the private jet, fly to a private clinic somewhere, and have their appendix removed.

Women have no value in the gop platform.

[amuse bouche]

54. Knuckle dragging cretin

[99Forever]

56. I'd say something, but..

.. I was told by women on this forum that because I don't have a vagina, I'm not allowed to comment on this topic.

[Wednesdays]

95. Um...what?

I'm male and I don't have any problems posting here.

On edit: here's a suggestion. Have your wife (or girlfriend or sister) type your response for you. I eagerly await what you have to say.

[99Forever]

99. No sir.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1191231

They said under no uncertain terms that they do not want men's support.

[Moonwalk]

166. I'm a woman and part of the DU. I want your support. Now...

...you have my permission to get past your bitterness at what some other women here said and speak your mind.

And i'll add, that if you bring this up again, using it to point like a little kid at those mean bullies and what they said in that other thread, I'll rescind that permission. Because I get as sick and tired of people re-hashing "trauma" like this ("the gay people say I have to be hetero to talk! The black people say I have to be black to talk! The men say I have to be male! The women say I have to be female!"...Blah, blah, blah! Since when does any human being have to be anything other than human to discuss human nature? :eyes as I get sick and tired with those who, thanks to their emotional issues, create such ridiculous drama.

Forgive them, forget them, and get on with your life.

[99Forever]

167. I'm not bitter and...

.. sorry to have mistaken your gender. Perhaps a word or two from you to your more radical sisters wouldn't hurt. Those are who my (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) point was intended for. I've always advocated for gender equality and always will. Strong, competent women have been in my life since birth. What bugs me about the man bashing variety, is not so much what they say, I've got a pretty thick skin, it's more about the damage they do to the very causes they claim to promote.

I hope that better explains me. Thanks for your thoughts.

Peace out.

[ananda]

57. OK, how about this?

Concede: rape can be a method of conception in the biological sense.

But: it is never JUST ANOTHER method of conception. It's a horrible
brutal crime and should never be thought of as just another anything
except a horrible brutal crime.

[MrMickeysMom]

73. It should never be thought of PERIOD

Get these fucking guys out of my body.

[bluesbassman]

59. Rape is another form of conception like tossing dynamite in a lake is another form of fishing.

I hope the Obama team ties that quote around Ryan's neck like a millstone.

[emilyg]

60. Where's the endorsement???

[zentrum]

64. "Then rapists are just...

....another kind of father".

Deserving of all the parental rights a parent has?

Rapists have more rights than loving gay parents in right wing world.

Disgusting, immoral, primitive.

[Renew Deal]

65. “Republicans can only distance themselves so much from Todd Akin before we realize they share his...

views."

I've said that over and over. The problem with Akin for republicans isn't what he said, but that he said it.

[Wednesdays]

96. Not even that

It's because he said it, and was denounced that he said it.

[ann---]

66. Wonder if he'll still feel

that way if his wife or daughter is ever impregnated by a rapist. what an absurd human being. He looks so silly in that photo and he's supposed to be the SMART one? Yikes. I hate republicans more every day.

[trailmonkee]

69. his favorite band is Method of Conception...he mistakenly thought it was Rage Against the Machine...

Now everything is starting to make sense

What a Dick this guy is

[johnnyrocket]

70. Wait what!? That's essentially an 'Akin' moment. Romney/Ryan are SUNK!

[MrMickeysMom]

71. This fucking image says it all...

[Cali_Democrat]

76. He is a pervert who wants to crawl up womens vaginas

What a fucker.

[MrMickeysMom]

78. Every woman needs to know this.

I say, one of the big donors pay for a shit-load of Obama adds carrying this message.

[Cha]

79. That's exactly what I thought..

when I posted it too. Asswipe is written all over his face.

[nc4bo]

72. Ugly.

And absolutely enraging.

Both Romney and Ryan are making my hands itch - just want to slug them both with a rock.

[polly7]

75. He's a sick man.

If he had an inkling of the pain, terror, shame, humiliation and the ptsd, the nightmares that sometimes never go away - he wouldn't talk about rape like it was some kind of date gone a little wrong, let alone mention the poor unwanted child or the traumatized, unprepared, devastated woman / girl. I'm not saying what I mean here very well, but jesus, they talk about rape like they're discussing a cup of coffee. WTH is wrong with these people?

[MissNostalgia]

80. Im frozen

I want to scream, but I cant.

[shawn703]

81. A heartbeat away...

That's the message that needs to be conveyed to people who parrot this guy when he says his views don't matter since the President makes policy. Ryan will be a heartbeat away from making his own policy and nominating his own Supreme Court justices to ensure rape victims are forced to carry their rapist's babies to term.

[PatSeg]

83. What Ryan said was cruel and insensitive

but the headline of the story was also misleading.

“I’m very proud of my pro-life record, and I’ve always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life.”

That was really dumb and certainly inflammatory but it wasn't "rape is just another method of conception". Cheesy headline. The story would have been powerful enough without such wording.

[treestar]

118. Very True

I think it's very intellectual in his head. He's making categories and not really thinking of the experience if it happened to an actual woman he knows.

Though some are so religious, they could be able to handle it because they think it is God's Will and they get comfort out of their religious beliefs.

But just talking about it in the abstract, and as a man, it is cruel and insensitive in not really identifying with the girl or woman who may be pregnant after a rape.

[PatSeg]

122. I'm watching "Up with Chris Hayes" right now

and someone made that point as well. When Paul Ryan talks about conception and abortion, he avoids mentioning "woman" as if it is merely a concept and doesn't involve a real real human being. Republicans have a tendency to do this, leave women out of a discussion which involves them, their bodies, and their mental and physical health.

It is so demeaning. My generation put up with this kind of thinking for so long, but I thought we had moved forward. Now republicans want to pull us back to those dark days. Did they really think we wouldn't react? Not only are they insensitive, they are totally clueless.

[defacto7]

84. But did you see the other article on that same site....

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/21/missouri-republican-official-god-chose-to-bless-women-with-pregnancies-from-rape/

and Huckabeanasshole's remark..

That explains it all. Thank you God for rape!

( my sarcasm to the extreme!!!)

I am really beginning to hate these people.

[Rain Mcloud]

89. Pro-Life by their definition

They do not want Tax dollars going toward abortions.
If they lower the operating costs of government then they have a better position to keep their tax cuts.
Ryan is addressing the donors here to the RNC in effect pandering for contributions.
In their Bizarro world a woman is just a vaginal life support system because that is all that they want from them,every thing else can be done better by a private contractor.
I wager this,in the near future a corporation will rise which will specialize in abortion for minorities and the wingers will laud it for it's compassionate corporate morals for unburdening society from the moocher class which they feel is threatening the white christian world's existence.
This is their strawman argument which holds no water in any way shape or form,but is effective to those low info voter's.
Mr Ryan here has already started manipulating the laws regarding rape,now the 1% has him to sell their plan to the people.
After writing this i need an antacid and i'm off to brush my teeth,Yuck!

[amuse bouche]

90. Isn't the bible full of rape?

Christian conquerors would rape 'breeders' in their most recent wins in order to spread their seed

[Bluenorthwest]

120. The OT has stories of and rules about rape. The Bible does not contain any stories of

'Christian conquerors' as the tale it tells ends with the death and imprisonment of the original followers. The crusader times are not recorded in the Bible...

[hollysmom]

91. tip toe in ever so carefully

No one said this group of republicans could speak English in any form of understandable.

Rape is a crime of power and intimidation not a crime of sex, and I can see where this group of clowns can identify with bullying and trying to over power people, But I do feel that Ryan is at least being true to himself in considering any fetus a life. This is not my belief,, and it is totally disregarding the life of the mother because they are idiots, but at least it is consistent on one level.

I just cannot understand why the concern over life ends at birth. How can you be against abortion but for the death penalty or cutting school lunches for poor kids or health care. I don't understand, even if you only think of life up to birth why deny mothers free medical prenatal care?

I give up, thee people t hink in a muddle and I will never understand it.

[Amonester]

93. It's easy to understand: they are all for the 'sanctity' of life from conception to birth.

But they don't care what happens to anyone else than themselves from birth to death.

They.Just.Don't.Care.

[donheld]

92. If Ryan had a lobotomy he'd be smarter.

[rasputin1952]

100. It appears to me that the GOP wants to throw...

this election.

I know the "stupid gene" runs strongly through this bunch, but I would figure that there is a limit to just how powerful that is...apparently there is no limit.

As long as these idiots keep speaking, they lose any chance they have at coming out on top.

[zbdent]

102. His voting record says that he's all for everything that Akin supports ...

Hell, he even support stimulus ... well, if it's his favorite "strong, handsome, white male Republican" fuhr ... I mean, leader ...

[Flashmann]

103. Do you have to have a lobotomy to run on the tea party, far right, GOP ticket?

No.Of course not.It would be the height of silliness to assume that.You would NEED a lobotomy to align yourself with the teabags.....

Having HAD a lobotomy would have remedied the illness,at least in theory...Stupid mixed with batshit crazy is powerful....

[liberal N proud]

106. That's not what he means.

[madashelltoo]

117. HE SAID IT, AND HE MEANT IT.

[Pryderi]

124. Paul Ryan, Sperm and the 3rd Amendment

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Maybe we should classify sperm as soldiers...



-watching my dvred "Up With Chris Hayes"

[Proles]

132. Honestly, nothing they say surprises me anymore. nt

[Tom Ripley]

136. It sounds like something a rapist would say

[demwing]

146. ouch! Well put. /nt

[WillyT]

137. Yes...Yes He Did...

& Rec !!!

[Heather MC]

138. Well if we women would just lay back and enjoy it, there would be no rape!! DUH

[Bernardo de La Paz]

139. No he did not endorse a criminal act. He wants to create another one to punish the victim (mother).

Despite the headline, he did not say "Rape is just another method of conception". Not even close. His actual words and belief are bad enough without twisting it and losing credibility for our side (pro-choice).

What he said is "the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life”.

He obviously means "rape is not an excuse for an abortion". He feels that a maritally fertilized egg cell has personhood just as much as a rapist fertilized egg cell. He cosponsored legislation that confers personhood on a fertilized egg cell. The consequence of that is that there can be no abortions period not even for the life of the mother.

[Botany]

143. So Ryan is saying that be able to get an abortion is an improvement?

“I’m very proud of my pro-life record, and I’ve always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life,” Ryan explained. “But let’s remember, I’m joining the Romney-Ryan ticket. And the president makes policy.”

“And the president, in this case the future President Mitt Romney, has exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, which is a vast improvement of where we are right now.”

[BrainMann1]

153. Is it just me

or the fact that Paulie boy here looks like he sounds. He's a cross between Popeye (without the pipe) and Alice the goon. If you stair at him to long you may jump off a bridge. He is the new and improved GOP poster boy.

[WCGreen]

161. How's about putting a little more info because that link is dead to me right now....

can't get on the story.

[valerief]

162. He's a stinking piece of shit. Foul. Decayed. Shit. nt

[hue]

165. K&R to get the truth out--what Ryan really "thinks" :-(

[ehrnst]

168. He's a consistent "pro-lifer"

You either think that the fetus trumps the woman as "innocent life" in every situation, or you admit that the woman has some input.

He shows the real agenda - the woman herself is less important than her function of reproducing.

[Liberal_in_LA]

170. he's a woman hating pig

[Texas Lawyer]

172. how is this not front page news everywhere?

[meow2u3]

173. If rape is "just another method of conception"

then forcible castration is "just another method of contraception."

Woman-hating pervert with rape fantasies, that Paul Ryan. He thinks a vicious criminal act is just another way to make a baby. Is he on meth?

[ddx]

174. I would half expect...

Ryan to say stealing is just another form of a business transaction.

[Warren DeMontague]

182. Welcome to DU, ddx!

[Diclotican]

176. tonybgood

tonybgood

WHAT?????

When you believe they can't lover the bar, they do... HE should be thrown off the ticket for the vice-presidency of the united states for this...

But he play for the core, and they understand what he says, very well...

Some year ago I saw a film, about a girl and his mother who had to leave the US to make an abort because the girl was raped - and the US in the "future" was a country where abort, or any other form of control was forbidden - I found it just to be another "dystopia" who might never happend... Today I am not to sure - it looks like the US are indeed on the road to a country where this things is strictly forbidden.

I just hope enough americans vote this persons out of the scene - they should be kept in mental wards.. and getting help for the problems they must have to speak out loud what they are thinking in their mind..

[Warren Stupidity]

177. How are these assholes in this race at all?

[indepat]

178. Any female who votes for this callow fellow is a

fucking idiot and a nincompoop. EOS

[RBInMaine]

179. Send this VIRAL and GET IT UP IN ADS.

[Hula Popper]

180. WTF ?

where do they get these ass holes?