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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/08/the-day-the-dinosaurs-died?utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_facebook&utm_source=facebook&utm_brand=tny
The Day the Dinosaurs Died
A young paleontologist may have discovered a record of the most significant event in the history of life on Earth.
By Doulas Preston
If, on a certain evening about sixty-six million years ago, you had stood somewhere in North America and looked up at the sky, you would have soon made out what appeared to be a star. If you watched for an hour or two, the star would have seemed to grow in brightness, although it barely moved. Thats because it was not a star but an asteroid, and it was headed directly for Earth at about forty-five thousand miles an hour. Sixty hours later, the asteroid hit. The air in front was compressed and violently heated, and it blasted a hole through the atmosphere, generating a supersonic shock wave. The asteroid struck a shallow sea where the Yucatán peninsula is today. In that moment, the Cretaceous period ended and the Paleogene period began.
A few years ago, scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory used what was then one of the worlds most powerful computers, the so-called Q Machine, to model the effects of the impact. The result was a slow-motion, second-by-second false-color video of the event. Within two minutes of slamming into Earth, the asteroid, which was at least six miles wide, had gouged a crater about eighteen miles deep and lofted twenty-five trillion metric tons of debris into the atmosphere. Picture the splash of a pebble falling into pond water, but on a planetary scale. When Earths crust rebounded, a peak higher than Mt. Everest briefly rose up. The energy released was more than that of a billion Hiroshima bombs, but the blast looked nothing like a nuclear explosion, with its signature mushroom cloud. Instead, the initial blowout formed a rooster tail, a gigantic jet of molten material, which exited the atmosphere, some of it fanning out over North America. Much of the material was several times hotter than the surface of the sun, and it set fire to everything within a thousand miles. In addition, an inverted cone of liquefied, superheated rock rose, spread outward as countless red-hot blobs of glass, called tektites, and blanketed the Western Hemisphere.
Some of the ejecta escaped Earths gravitational pull and went into irregular orbits around the sun. Over millions of years, bits of it found their way to other planets and moons in the solar system. Mars was eventually strewn with the debrisjust as pieces of Mars, knocked aloft by ancient asteroid impacts, have been found on Earth. A 2013 study in the journal Astrobiology estimated that tens of thousands of pounds of impact rubble may have landed on Titan, a moon of Saturn, and on Europa and Callisto, which orbit Jupiterthree satellites that scientists believe may have promising habitats for life. Mathematical models indicate that at least some of this vagabond debris still harbored living microbes. The asteroid may have sown life throughout the solar system, even as it ravaged life on Earth.
The asteroid was vaporized on impact. Its substance, mingling with vaporized Earth rock, formed a fiery plume, which reached halfway to the moon before collapsing in a pillar of incandescent dust. Computer models suggest that the atmosphere within fifteen hundred miles of ground zero became red hot from the debris storm, triggering gigantic forest fires. As the Earth rotated, the airborne material converged at the opposite side of the planet, where it fell and set fire to the entire Indian subcontinent. Measurements of the layer of ash and soot that eventually coated the Earth indicate that fires consumed about seventy per cent of the worlds forests. Meanwhile, giant tsunamis resulting from the impact churned across the Gulf of Mexico, tearing up coastlines, sometimes peeling up hundreds of feet of rock, pushing debris inland and then sucking it back out into deep water, leaving jumbled deposits that oilmen sometimes encounter in the course of deep-sea drilling.
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jeffreyi
(1,938 posts)Damn shame if it's a hoax. But. Time will tell, I guess.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
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A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)COOL FUCKING BEANS, MAN!!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Europa? Well, maybe there's something in its ocean, and just maybe its DNA started on Earth. Probably not dinosaurs.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But I have to say that the Los Alamos National Laboratory naming its supercomputer the Q Machine could generate all kinds of mischief with certain knuckleheaded segments of our population, were I so inclined.
sdfernando
(4,927 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)tblue37
(65,227 posts)BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Submariner
(12,498 posts)to discover a swale of land where so many critters, pieces of vegetation, tektites, and an assortment of other rubble washed together from explosion fallout and tsunami events to leave such a rich history of the days after the K-T boundary formation.
Thanks for posting.
mia
(8,360 posts)Thank you.
Takket
(21,529 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)time than that.
Brother Buzz
(36,383 posts)it would be visible for a long time, and approach at a relatively slow speed.
All bets are off if it comes in from the opposite direction.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)about dinosaurs and seeing the incoming asteroid for a couple of years is a crucial part of the story line. I suppose we simply have no way of knowing how long it was visible, and my guess is as good as any other.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)to them until it gets very close. Most asteroids are very small, like compare it to the moon, but if it was moving fast the time at which it would go from something that looks like a start to the time it looks like a rock is going to be very fast, maybe a few days.
Maybe Nasa can't figure out how to blow it up but puts rockets on it that get it to orbit the Earth, but still it will hit within 2 years or something?
Good luck with your book!
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)scientifically advanced dinosaurs who spot it some two years out.
The real shame is that I'm not a better writer, because the potential is for a good novel.
Brother Buzz
(36,383 posts)They are visible only because they reflect sunlight
Good luck spotting a six mile in diameter asteroid reflecting light a millions of miles away.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)There's an ongoing project looking for ones that might intersect with earth.
Don't know exactly how they're doing it, whether with visible light, infrared, or what -- I know there are many, many ways to find things out there. We don't have to wait for them to enter our atmosphere and burn up to find them.
I know it depends a great deal on its orbit, and exactly where it's coming from. I also know that the instruments get better and better. My Son the Astronomer just got back from a conference on radial velocity, which is one of the several ways to find exo planets, and that's his specific area of research right now. He told me about some group that's doing something that he said was almost like magic. And this is a VERY grounded in reality guy.
Anyway, it's just an idea for a science fiction tale, which may never get written.
Brother Buzz
(36,383 posts)nor the software needed to identify shifting objects in the sky.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)It's SCIENCE FICTION!!!
Just spoke to My Son the Astronomer, and he tells me they can see very small asteroids, as in just a few meters across. I'm amazed.
Brother Buzz
(36,383 posts)And I may be mistaken, but I believe they need to crunch the digital information through a computer to initially identify one.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)it's not very hard to find asteroids more than a dozen or so meters across. They use near infrared, if I recall correctly what he said.
Keep in mind there are LOTS of telescopes out there, and we are not the only country with telescopes in orbit.
I'm sure computers are used along the way, but there's not serious number crunching needed to find asteroids. Otherwise, (and think about this) we'd have never known there was anything in the asteroid belt.
A lot can be observed visually. Honest.
A bit of an aside. My Son the Astronomer is in a PhD program in astronomy on the East Coast. His main area of research is exo planets, but understandably he knows a lot of other stuff. One of the things I like best about him is that sometimes when I ask him a question he'll pause and then say, "I don't know." It's his best quality.
Sometimes I text him, as I did earlier this evening, "Is Ask the Astronomer on duty?" After a while he responded yes, and then called me. (The protocol is that he calls me, just to keep from phone calls crashing into each other.)
What I most love about talking to him is that I always learn new things. Tonight it was some nitty-gritty about how small an object can be found, and a bit about the near earth orbit surveys.
A few years ago I attended the adult astronomy camp at the University of Arizona -- and if you have even a distant interest in astronomy you should consider this -- and learned all sorts of amazing things. My Son the Astronomer attended the teen version, once as a beginner, twice as an advanced camper. When he came home the first time I asked him, "What was the largest telescope you operated?" "A 61 inch" was his reply. OMFG! A *61* inch?!?
When I went as and adult I got to operate that very same telescope, which was instrumental in locating landing sites for the various Apollo missions.
I love science.
Brother Buzz
(36,383 posts)So your book is good to go!
My astronomy was limited to a single college course, and that was over forty years ago. That, and I scored a tome, a dated encyclopedia of astronomy, and digested it from cover to cover before I took the course; Kepler was a God in my eyes. P squared = R cubed was so simple and yet so profound, and to think he figured it out without the benefit of a slide rule or a pocket protector!
I don't trust people who aren't interested in science.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)They are better seen.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)An asteroid would be much harder to see. It would have definitely been visible upon entry into the atmosphere.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)miyazaki
(2,239 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)Once the paper is published, I wonder if other paleontologists will come out in support of the claims.
It sounds almost too good to be true. It would be awesome, if its actually from that day.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Wasn't that debris a bit too hot to allow any biology, even molecules to survive and travel to the outer Solar System?
catchnrelease
(1,944 posts)It says much of the material was several times hotter than the surface of the sun, and yet it might have had living microbes on it? That seems unlikely, but as others here have said, I have no expertise in this subject. Interesting article in any case.
Brawndo
(535 posts)that were formed 30,000 years ago, feeding off of the remnants of algae. Life is extremely hardy and difficult to eradicate. Certain organisms can survive the cold vacuum of space and find a tiny safe spot in a sea of lava. I agree, Panspermia is a viable theory.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)but I think the article suggests lost of crust would have been blasted off the surface of the Earth without coming into direct contact with molten material itself, and before being subjected to the hellish aftermath of acid rain, etc.
Greybnk48
(10,162 posts)DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)I really loved to read this. It's more thrilling than any novel. I'd really love to see a video of the description of the comet impact.
This part reads like poetry - "An ode to planetary extinction" -
dying and dead creatures,
both marine and freshwater;
plants,
seeds,
tree trunks,
roots,
cones,
pine needles,
flowers,
and pollen;
shells,
bones,
teeth,
and eggs;
tektites,
shocked minerals,
tiny diamonds,
iridium-laden dust,
ash,
charcoal,
and amber-smeared wood
Are we going to wait for the next comet or are we going to get the job done ourselves this time?
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)Incinerated life on earth meaning no bone remains would have survived this event. And there should be a seams of ash hundreds of yards deep, tapering off with distance for a few thousand miles around ground zero.
An interesting article to read but too many missing items to have much believability.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)Would have been almost instantly covered
By that trillions of tons of debris
Thus preserving them like the LaBrea tar pits.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)On the extreme heat radiating out faster than the debris field, causing the incineration. There is also the issue of the sonic boom affect not being accounted for. That would have been huge and we have the example in Siberia from about 120 years ago that flattened a forest for about 50 miles. Obviously, I am not a scientist.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)time. A lot of life would have been immediately buried by displaced earth, and protected below it. Most organic material within a few hundreds of miles of the impact crater would have disintegrated, but as you got farther away, the effect would have been less and less violent. Over most of the Earth animals and plants would have died non-violent deaths.
Botany
(70,447 posts)Is the thing that killed the dinosaurs?
I thought that was earlier.
malaise
(268,713 posts)Bookmarked
burrowowl
(17,632 posts)capechacon
(91 posts)The dramatic scenario that's reprised above is exciting and has understandably captured the public's imagination. The problem is that little is as black and white about end-Cretaceous events as this New Yorker article would lead one to believe. For example, Professor Gerta Keller of Princeton University has published quite credible, peer-reviewed data suggesting that dinosaurs disappearance occurred over a 100,000+ year period of time, not in a single day.
Similarly, if things were supposedly as horrific everywhere on earth on that fateful day as the article would have us believe, why then were only dinosaurs so drastically effected? That is, why did birds, salamanders, turtles, lizards, snakes, frogs, mammals, and many other non-dinosaurian reptiles (including some huge, dinosaur-size terrestrial forms) survive? Clearly, they would necessarily have been subjected to the same catastrophic circumstances and should generally have suffered the same fate as the dinosaurs.
Currently, we barely understand processes involved in the cosmopolitan disappearance of many giant mammals only 10,000 years ago. Proclamations of certainty about events of a single day and their consequences some 65+million years ago should be regarded with considerable caution.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Extinction of dinasaurs was not the biggest of the five extinction events. And even as dinasaurs died, other species survived, that was unlikely in an inferno scenario. My guess, dinasaurs were large and cold-blooded, some climatic event took place which affected them more than smaller cold-blooded species and warm blooded species.
An event which took Earth out of it's normal orbit and caused stress on the Earth's crust without creating an inferno could have killed dinasaurs and created sediment flows in oceans.
Delphinus
(11,825 posts)Auggie
(31,133 posts)bluescribbler
(2,113 posts)If his theories prove out, he'll get his PHD for sure.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)mcar
(42,278 posts)Really interesting.
California_Republic
(1,826 posts)SpankMe
(2,957 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 29, 2019, 09:54 PM - Edit history (1)
Great article.
Mammal burrows and reptilian fossils in the same layer, along with impact debris and microtektites.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Cattledog
(5,911 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...has an asteroid named after her. Not kidding. In honor of winning a science award as a teenager.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)and the scientists knew it was coming, how much time would they have to figure out when and where it would hit? Also, is there a plan that could limit the destruction or even stop the impact completely? I have heard that there are countries who have missiles which could blow up an incoming object but if it is as large as the one mentioned in the article, would that be possible? How big do they think that asteroid was at impact?
roamer65
(36,744 posts)I doubt the megatonage needed to deflect a 6 mile wide asteroid is up there. If it is they wont own up to it.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)I would rather have the whole planet die instantly than slowly over a couple thousand years due to the effects of climate change, but that is just me. I also wouldn't want to know in advance that it was coming.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)A nuke hit on the surface wouldn't do very much.
If we could make the nuke burrow down, maybe a slight course change could be affected.
The further away we donate the nuke the bigger the affect when it gets near us. We only need to move it 8,000 miles to the side to make it miss but six miles wide is a hell of a lot of mass to move.
There are other options, none of them good. We simply don't have the technology.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)The last direct hit by a large one was 1859.
We just missed one in 2012.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
CaptainTruth
(6,576 posts)... is cosmology, & everything related to the history of our universe.
Things like this just fascinate me.
And the Repubs want to build a wall. No wall would protect us from an impact like this, & no wall will protect us from runaway global warming that could kill the entire human race.
But yea, they need to preserve "white priveledge."
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)I usually get quickly lost in the scientific jargon, but evidently a non scientist wrote this. It was intensely interesting. Thanks!
cab67
(2,990 posts)Believe it or not, im a paleontologist. There are multiple interpretations that could be made about this site, which has not yet been described in the peer-reviewed literature.
dalton99a
(81,404 posts)Fossil Site Reveals Day That Meteor Hit Earth and, Maybe, Wiped Out Dinosaurs
A jumble of entombed plants and creatures offers a vivid glimpse of the apocalypse that all but ended life 66 million years ago.
By William J. Broad and Kenneth Chang
March 29, 2019
A tangled mass of articulated fish fossils uncovered in North Dakota. The site appears to date to the day 66 million years ago when a meteor hit Earth, killing nearly all life on the planet. Robert DePalma/University of Kansas
By The New York Times | Sources: PNAS; Geological Society of America
A partially exposed, perfectly preserved 66-million-year-old fish fossil uncovered by Mr. DePalma and his colleagues. Robert DePalma/University of Kansas
G_j
(40,366 posts)Thanks
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I remember reading and seeing documentaries on what might have happened to cause the dinosaurs to disappear. This was one scenario. So I guess there were some pre-human links in existence at that time, which were enabled to grow and evolve, because the dinosaurs were wiped out. I seem to recall that was one theory about the rise of the pre-humans.
Hotler
(11,396 posts)PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)He is a nobody because he doesn't have a Ph.D. Please.
"In the community, we dont get to know students very well."
What a joke. DePalma is actually in there doing something while most of these jokers sit around their offices and chew the same academic fat until it drips down their chins.
Lucky thing we don't have these buggers in charge of developing something we really need. If that was the case, we'd ask how the vital work was going and be told, "People sometimes think Im dumb because I often say I dont have the answers...There are other people out there who say they do know, and hes one of those people. I think he can overinterpret."
So, we'd be sitting there waiting and this paragon of academic achievement would produce...nothing.
generalbetrayus
(507 posts)who never completed his Bachelor's Degree. His advanced degree is honorary. He is a character, but hardly snobbish. The other quote expresses skepticism, a quality found in all good scientists.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)generalbetrayus
(507 posts)I agree with cab67 - I'm skeptical. I'm particularly tired of physicists with no background in biology practicing paleontology, going back to 1980 and Walter Alvarez and the origin of the impact theory of dinosaur extinction. Some of what the New Yorker article posits doesn't make sense (materials ejected by the asteroid impact reached temperatures several times hotter than the surface of the sun yet they are suggested to have spread bacterial life to other bodies in the solar system?). Maybe it's the fault of the article's author, but maybe not. I'll wait to track down the original article and look for flaws.
A good explanation of the complexities of dinosaur extinction can be found in chapter 4, "Demise of the Dinosaurs", of Donald Prothero's book "Giants of the Lost World: Dinosaurs and Other Extinct Monsters of South America".