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California_Republic

(1,826 posts)
1. I don't think dismantling the government is a good ide.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 04:18 PM
Mar 2019

This should not be Democratic Party MO.
This would make the Russians happy

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
2. No. No, no, no, no, no.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 04:27 PM
Mar 2019

That's the sort of thing tin pot dictators do.

We need to continue to follow the Constitution and the rule of law.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
12. No.They're.Not.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:52 PM
Mar 2019

It takes the concurrence of the House and Senate to pass a law.That is the "Rule of Law."

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
4. Rec'd because playing by Marquess of Queensbury rules hasn't worked for us in a long time
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 04:36 PM
Mar 2019

See Garland, Merrick, eg.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
5. defunding prosecutors will put pressure on a bunch of criminals?
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 04:39 PM
Mar 2019



using the legitimate powers congress has to put pressure on donnie and the coverup gang is a great idea, but the target should be something he actually cares about.

not sure what that is that congress actually funds. can we cut his budget for trips to mar-a-lago somehow?

onenote

(42,694 posts)
11. The House can't do diddly squat without the concurrence of the Senate
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:39 PM
Mar 2019

Remember the government shutdown? It didn't end when the House passed a funding bill. It ended when the House and Senate passed the same bill and it was signed into law.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
10. How a bill becomes a law 101: the House cannot unilaterally pass legislation
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:38 PM
Mar 2019

Pelosi has no power to unilaterally defund the Office of the Attorney General. The House can pass a bill doing so, but it won't do anything unless, as is the case with all legislation, it also is passed by the Senate and signed by the President.


And that ain't happening.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
13. well, yeah, but ongoing funding requires new laws every year.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:23 PM
Mar 2019

so, correct, to immediately defund an already funded agency or department or program, a law would have to be passed.
and, correct, the house can't do that unilaterally.

but to continue funding after the end of the fiscal year generally requires a fresh set of appropriations laws, and the house could withhold approval from those in order to gain leverage. we'd have to wait at least half a year for those fights, though.


the budget battles will be fun times regardless....

onenote

(42,694 posts)
15. The DOJ is funded through the end of September
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:04 PM
Mar 2019

And there is zero chance that the House will force a government shutdown (or even a shutdown of just the entire DOJ)

unblock

(52,196 posts)
16. well there will be far more to budget negotiations than just this anyway.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:22 PM
Mar 2019

i agree that we don't want to look like the ones drooling for a shutdown, that's a republican thing.

but we certainly should be assertive in our negotiations in general.

and it's entirely reasonable to say to republicans that there will be a price to pay in october if they don't cooperate now. the timing gap is not ideal for that kind of negotiation tactic, but it's a perfectly reasonable tactic.

again, though, i wouldn't threaten the doj, that's entirely counterproductive. we should find something donnie actually cares about and target that instead.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
14. So you want to hold the salaries of DOJ workers hostage and shutdown the government?
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:29 PM
Mar 2019

That is what people saying this seem to be advocating.

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