Jennifer Granholm’s response to Mitt Romney’s birther remark is a doozy

[SunsetDreams]

Last edited Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:01 AM - Edit history (1)

https://www.facebook.com/jennifergranholm/posts/274702829302774

http://twitter.com/JenGranholm/status/239049567595794433



Mitt Romney: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"


Granholm will speak at Democratic National Convention

Former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm will be a speaker at the Democratic National Convention, which gets under way Sept. 4 in Charlotte, N.C.

The announcement of Granholm — who served two terms as governor prior to the election of Gov. Rick Snyder — was made Friday morning by the Democratic National Convention Committee.

Since leaving office Granholm has become the host of "War Room," a news and political commentary program on Current TV.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120824/POLITICS01/208240402/Granholm-will-speak-Democratic-National-Convention?odyssey=mod|

[Kalidurga]

1. Cuts to the chase...nt

[BootinUp]

2. Thats going to leave a mark. nt

[SunsetDreams]

9. I hope she

says it at the convention, I would love that!

[Flatpicker]

48. Agreed

This line needs to be televised.

[yurbud]

3. Dems needed to take this approach about 12 years ago.

[Tx4obama]

4. Here is where Jennifer Granholm said it ...

On Twitter:

Jennifer GranholmVerified ‏
@JenGranholm

Yes, Mitt, we all know you were born in Michigan. What we don't understand is why you knifed us in the back when Michigan was on its knees

https://twitter.com/JenGranholm/status/239049567595794433

https://twitter.com/JenGranholm

I was wondering if it was a real quote, and it is

[SunsetDreams]

5. She also said it on facebook

I added that link. Thank you for those.

[Tx4obama]

6. Ah okay. I see your FB link now. I must've been at Twitter lookin' when you were updating the OP.

[SunsetDreams]

7. LOL no problem

I'm glad you found the twitter link too

[graham4anything]

8. Both George Romney (Mittens Dad) and John McCain were unAmerican.

whats interesting is, George Romney, Mitten's father, was NOT born in the USA but nobody gave a spit when George ran for president (because George was a fringe anyhow, and never stood a chance of winning like say Ron Paul so it mattered little, just a distraction).

but the Romney family then was breaking the constitution

odd isn't it?
The whole birther issue most likely was to distract from both that and the prior John McCain
situation(he too was most likely unAmerican.)

[Ruby the Liberal]

15. You do understand that citizenry is conveyed

based on the parents, not the location, right?

[graham4anything]

19. as I said-

There is severe doubt over George Romney's citzenship,because of what was his parents citzensship?...They fled before Utah was a part of the USA and never officially asked to be US Citizens.
As at the time they were fleeing prosecution (or was it persecution), and moved to Mexico, (it could be said if they felt they were citizens that they were denoucing their citizenship ), where does it say either accepted the US as their citizenship?

As such, by the time Mittens daddy was born(IN MEXICO), they both were Mexican citizens residing there and giving birth to George there.

George like Granholm were eligible for Governor or Senator, but both not for President.

but nobody cared as George Romney was a flake candidate, with zero percent chance of winning so it was immaterial. (of course flakes like Dan Quayle laid the way for Bush41 to become president later by negating much the getting out of service in Vietnam because they were VIPS with money, which to this day is why I think 41 named Quayle in the first place(the single til Ryan was picked worst choice of VP ever).


McCain on the otherhand was a coin toss as to yes or no
(from wiki-

The former unincorporated territory of the Panama Canal Zone and its related military facilities were not regarded as United States territory at the time,[89] but 8 U.S.C. § 1403, which became law in 1937, retroactively conferred citizenship on individuals born within the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and on individuals born in the Republic of Panama on or after that date who had at least one U.S. citizen parent employed by the U.S. government or the Panama Railway Company; 8 U.S.C. § 1403 was cited in Judge William Alsup's 2008 ruling, described below. A March 2008 paper by former Solicitor General Ted Olson and Harvard Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe opined that McCain was eligible for the Presidency.[90] In April 2008, the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain's status as a natural-born citizen.[91] In September 2008, U.S. District Judge William Alsup stated obiter in his ruling that it is "highly probable" that McCain is a natural-born citizen from birth by virtue of 8 U.S.C. § 1401, although he acknowledged the alternative possibility that McCain became a natural-born citizen retroactively, by way of 8 U.S.C. § 1403.[92]

These views have been criticized by Professor Chin, who argues that McCain was at birth a citizen of Panama and was only retroactively declared a born citizen under 8 U.S.C. § 1403, because at the time of his birth and with regard to the Canal Zone the Supreme Court's Insular Cases overruled the Naturalization Act of 1795, which would otherwise have declared McCain a U.S. citizen immediately at birth.[93] The U.S. State Department's Foreign Affairs Manual states that children born in the Panama Canal Zone at certain times became U.S. nationals without citizenship.[94] It also states in general that "it has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen […]".[95] In Rogers v. Bellei the Supreme Court only ruled that "children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment", and didn't elaborate on the natural-born status.[96][97] Similarly, legal scholar Lawrence Solum concluded in an article on the natural born citizen clause that the question of McCain's eligibility could not be answered with certainty, and that it would depend on the particular approach of "constitutional construction".[98] The urban legend fact checking website Snopes.com has examined the matter and cites numerous experts. It considers the matter "undetermined".[99]

A look at wiki for George Romney's citizenship status on the main page of this topic, has been edited a zillion times,back/forth mostly about this, so it is evident someone working for the hair dyer's side since 2006 has erased any/all talk about this to make wiki NOT reliable for Romney's status.

so it is evident one cannot clearly say that either George or McCain were.

remember, my post is talking about George Romney Mitt's dad) who ran badly for President

Obama is of course 100% an American citizen, as on a second subject, were also, any person born to a slave, though those people had no rights til the great LBJ signed the voting rights bills when he did.

Just because the birthers are lying about Obama, does not automatically waive either George Romney or McCain, with doubt on both of them (but its a moot point and nobody cares about them).

Had Arnold Schwarznegger been liked by the republican Powers that Be, the rush to allow someone like Arnold running for President rights would have been fasttracked, as I think it was with Orrin Hatch sending in a bill to start the process, but he was quickly talked out of it, as Arnold ended up being not what they had in mind.) (and if that went through Granholm and Arnold and many others would now be allowed to run for President, which IMHB should happen in the future to allow those here say 25 years the option of doing so).

[Ruby the Liberal]

24. And what of those who only have 1 parent who are US citizens at their birth

Do we exclude them as well?

Just trying to see how far this rabbit hole goes.

[graham4anything]

31. why?

Obama is an american citizen no matter what his father was.(his mother was American, and not only that, he was born here.)

I never said anything different. Nor did I ever say anyone with only one parent is not eligible.

I actually would allow anyone in America 25 years to be eligible, no matter where one was born.(and that includes all from south of the border who's parents are not yet citizens). It really is an antiquidated system we have, because what really is it people want to avoid?(other than racism)?

We have people running on the far extreme right who are possibly worse than the baddest person one can think of (say A.H.),and they are eligible, so really- what is this rule hoping to stop?

get rid of this law
(which is my point- democrats don't care about past people who might not have been yet because Obama is black, the birthers(aka racists) wanted to stop him.

why?

[meow2u3]

35. This birther bullshit is pointless

He's a natural born American citizen because his mother was one. It doesn't matter at all where he was born; as long as you have one parent who's an American citizen, you are a natural-born one, too.

[Ruby the Liberal]

39. +1

[Jim Lane]

47. Your post reflects a very common misconception but we should stop repeating it.

You correctly state the law as it stands now.

In 1961, however, when Obama was born, the law was different. A child born outside the U.S. to one citizen parent and one noncitizen parent would be a citizen at birth only if the citizen parent had lived in the U.S. for at least five years after attaining the age of 14. Because Obama's mother was only 18 years of age, she didn't meet this criterion. Obama did not obtain citizenship at birth through jus sanguinis (the law of the blood).

The other basis for citizenship recognized in U.S. law, then and now, is jus solii (the law of the soil). A child born in the U.S. is a citizen (unless the parents were diplomats enjoying diplomatic immunity). That's why Obama is a natural-born citizen.

Thus it does matter where he was born. If he had been born in Kenya, he would not be a natural-born citizen. Of course, the allegation that he was in fact born in Kenya is rubbish, but it's not irrelevant rubbish.

[Cha]

10. THANK YOU, GOV GRANHOLM!

Hold mitt accountable while he's talking about the height of trees being the right size and no one asking Him for his bc(did he chuckle like a maniac, btw?) while the real issues get buried by him and m$m.

[font size=21pt]SHOW US YOUR TAX RETURNS, mitt.[/font]

[DonCoquixote]

11. It's too bad she was born in Canada

Because THIS WOMAN is the one that I would GLADLY see become the first Woman president of the US. She is the hard FDR liberal that Hillary Clinton wishes she could be!

[JNelson6563]

12. You're not from MI, are you?

Trust me, Granholm is no bold lefty. And unlike Obama, she was completely unable to make anything happen in spite of GOP majority, not a damn thing.

And she has a penchant for something DUers would greatly dislike, she liked to decide who the candidate will be for certain races and wasn't very interested in who the base preferred. We even had to teach her a painful lesson at the 06 state convention by soundly rejecting her elitist candidate for AG (who, much like her, couldn't bother with the huge swaths of our state north of Grand Rapids).

She was an excellent Attorney General and she makes a splendid host but as Governor? No. As President? Hell No!

Julie

[heaven05]

36. as prez

she'd be better than robme or aynryan

[LovingA2andMI]

41. Thanks Julie for that bit of truth....

Now I wonder if people will learn about the making behind resources followed, and the games they play behind the scenes also....

It would be nice....

[Romulox]

17. Jennifer Granholm is a "New" Democrat. (Like Clinton, Obama, e.g.) She is NOT a "hard FDR liberal".

[LovingA2andMI]

42. Jennie is not like Clinton....

Maybe President Obama but not former President Bill Clinton...just saying...

[madrchsod]

13. if mittens dad would`t bailed out nash/american motors

we probably would`t have had mittens running for president.

if it was mittens he would have bought the company stripped it of it`s cash , assets, and put thousands out of work.

[yardwork]

14. Mitt Romney is deeply, deeply racist.

Look at Romney's history. "Let Detroit go bankrupt" - because many of the workers in the auto industry were black. His birth certificate comment - reminding racists that he is white and Obama is black.

The Republican Party uses racism as a wedge issue to get out the white vote, but in the case of Romney, they've found a candidate who is genuinely, deeply racist. His personal beliefs are racist.

[heaven05]

37. mormon religion

even though they have their token minorities, is deeply RACIST. always has been. It wasn't till '79 that they rejected the notion that black people had no souls and not all their sects ect bought the new line. They are as bad as southern baptist christians who usually, black member or white vote republican also.

[xtraxritical]

52. How can anyone vote for someone (Romney) who thinks that a lying sex addicted polygamist,

Joseph Smith, is a biblical prophet? Just asking.

[yardwork]

59. Very good point. He was raised and still lives in a racist tradition.

I realize that not all Mormons are racist. I am not suggesting that they are. But Romney and his family are closely connected with the power in the Mormon church. They are true believers.

[icarusxat]

46. come to zion

you can feel the racism here in Utah

[Quantess]

57. And remember how me made his speech at the NAACP

and then next day, told a group of wealthy donors that the blacks just wanted free stuff?

[yardwork]

58. Yes, so many examples of Romney's deep racism.

He's not just following a script. He really believes this crap.

[Romulox]

16. "Us"? Jennifer lives in California. nt

[SunsetDreams]

18. "Us" is appropriate, she was Governor of Michigan

from 2002 to 2010, and Mitt Romney wrote the OP-ed in 2008.

[ProSense]

21. There sure seems

to be an effort to undermine good slams against Romney, huh?

I mean, one got the impression it was about Obama, but it appears that any comment from any Democrat who smacks down Romney has to be called into question.

I wonder why?

[SunsetDreams]

23. Yeah I've

noticed that. I thought it was a great smack down.

[TheDebbieDee]

28. There are a few these posters year round, every year..........

But during election years, DU is swarming with them.

About a year ago, I posted a speculative post regarding states with repuke-controlled state legislatures that were passing voter ID laws that would disenfranchise low-income voters and my post was swarmed by other posters demanding "links". Now, I ask you: How can speculation have links?

Anyway, my post sank and the subject didn't get any attention......until about 4 or 5 months ago.

[LovingA2andMI]

44. Agree again....

Jennie up and left the State soon there after her Governorship was complete. Not to say that she can't have a comment on any subject she wants at anytime but, yes....the 'US' is really 'THEM' now since Jennie lives in California....where she was raised most of her life...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Granholm

[SunsetDreams]

45. So...

Do you have any comment on what she said about Mitt Romney?

[LovingA2andMI]

53. SO....

As for what she said about Mitt Romney, as noted above, Jennie has a right to say what she wants. It's called free speech...

[SunsetDreams]

54. She is also right

[LovingA2andMI]

55. And this quote is RIGHT ON POINT about the state of today's 'politics'

Not by Jennie but from former NPR Journalist Andrea Seabrook.....

"Americans, real people, you have bought this line that we are on two teams in this country. There is a red team, and there is a blue team.

When we've gotten to the point where your partisan stripe comes before your American citizenship, our shared culture, our shared values in this country, then we have a real problem at the nation — national, federal level.

We vote for people who are going in there to fight red or blue instead of put that stuff down at the end of the election cycle and work on real problems that need to be solved."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021198360

Goodnight!

[SunsetDreams]

56. That has nothing to do with her being right LOL

[gulliver]

20. She's a doozy machine

I can't wait to see her address at the convention. It's going to be brutal.

[Cha]

22. Kick for Perpetuity!

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Yee Ha!

[Lucy Goosey]

26. Touché, Governor

K&R

[Arctic Dave]

27. Hey mittens, how does it feel to have your balls slammed up into your throat.

She is definately my type of lady.

[fleur-de-lisa]

33. LOL !!!

[heaven05]

38. great

[flamingdem]

29. K&R

[Pisces]

30. That is beautiful!!!

[lavenderdiva]

32. proud to be the 100th rec to this thread!

Thank you for posting this- I'm looking forward to hearing her speak at the convention

[James48]

34. Back stabber

[KeepItReal]

40. "Where can I find a woman like that?" - Rick Springfield

She rocks.

[avebury]

43. K&R nt

[SunSeeker]

49. BAM!

[spanone]

50. ooooh, i like it

[snappyturtle]

51. Like others here I hope she repeats this at the convention. K&R nt