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brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:43 AM Apr 2019

On the UK, Brexit and...Norway

For those trying to follow the bouncing ball of Brexit votes, here's where things currently stand:

Brexit was approved by 52% of the voters, who are divided up into two groups: Hard Brexiters who want a clean break from the EU (after which, supposedly, they'll be able to enter into one-to-one trade and economic agreements) and Soft Brexiters who want a framework agreement in place with the EU (addressing things like trade, visa-free travel and the status of Britons living abroad). Soft Brexiters are in turn divided into two groups: one wants only a basic framework, with negotiations on trade to follow, and the other wants a trade agreement in place before the UK leaves.

Theresa May has tried (and failed) three times to pass a basic framework bill. Parliament has, on it's own, also held "indicative votes" (non-binding, bus expressing Parliament's presumed will) on a range of alternative strategies. These have all failed because either Hard Brexiters, Soft Brexiters or Remainers have blocked the alternative group's measures.

Where things currently stand is that, IF Parliament fails to approve a plan, the UK WILL exit the EU next Friday. That means British citizen will have no default right to travel to Europe, will be subject to EU customs checks, and will have no rights to remain in residency in EU countries. More importantly, the UK will have no trade agreements in place with the EU, meaning trade will result to far less desirable terms imposed by the WTO.

Today, Theresa May is proposing a 4th attempt at passing a basic framework Bill with little expectation that it has a greater likelihood to pass than it did last week. What's new in the equation is a likely Indicative vote for a "Common Market 2" strategy. This is derived from the model of Norway, which is not a member State of the EU, but IS a member of the European Free Trade Association (the "Common Market" in historical parlance), and imposes a single set of trade rules with all EU members. This is hated by Hard Brexiters who want to be able to negotiate individual treaties. However, in the last round of Indicative votes, Common Market 2 came the closest to passing.

Common Market 2 is likely to pass only if the Tory Government offers support, since 170 Tory MPs have already signed a letter demanding an April 12 exit under any or no terms (if an agreement is reached, the Brexit day would be move to May to allow enabling legislation). That means a voting coalition of Tory Soft Brexiters, Labor (which has now endorsed Common Market 2), Scottish national Party and Democratic Ulster Party (in alliance with the Conservatives, but concerned about the border issue with Ireland) would be needed. However, the latest news is that May is allowing backbenchers and "Junior" Ministers to vote freely, but seniors members are supposed to stick to the Party line or resign.

The program today will be: a procedural vote to again allow Indicative vote amendments (likely to pass), and then votes on one or more amendments from different points of view. Stay tuned.

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On the UK, Brexit and...Norway (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2019 OP
Thanks. elleng Apr 2019 #1
It's interesting to watch another country fuck up their own government The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #2
Here are the votes for consideration today brooklynite Apr 2019 #3

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
2. It's interesting to watch another country fuck up their own government
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:54 AM
Apr 2019

for reasons similar to how we've fucked up ours. This Brexit mess is really May's and her party's own-goal and I don't know how they will get out of it without all kinds of mess. Common Market 2 worked for Norway because they never joined the EU in the first place (and they're swimming in oil money), but like marriage, it's a lot harder to get out of than to get into.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
3. Here are the votes for consideration today
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:55 AM
Apr 2019
Motion A: unilateral right of exit from the backstop
Conservative backbenchers, led by John Baron, want the UK to leave the EU on 22 May 2019 with the withdrawal agreement amended to allow the UK unilaterally to exit the controversial Northern Ireland backstop.


Motion B: no deal in the absence of a withdrawal agreement
Another proposal from Baron, which calls for a no-deal Brexit on 12 April if no withdrawal agreement can be agreed by the Commons.

On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 400 to 160.


Motion C: customs union
The Tory former chancellor Ken Clarke’s customs union plan requires any Brexit deal to include, as a minimum, a commitment to negotiate a “permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU”. This was defeated by the smallest margin in the first round, falling just six votes short.

On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 271 to 265.


Motion D: common market 2.0
Tabled by the Conservatives Nick Boles, Robert Halfon and Dame Caroline Spelman, Labour’s Stephen Kinnock and Lucy Powell plus the SNP’s Stewart Hosie. The motion proposes UK membership of the European Free Trade Association (Efta) and European Economic Area. It allows continued participation in the single market and a “comprehensive customs arrangement” with the EU after Brexit – including a “UK say” on future EU trade deals – would remain in place until the agreement of a wider trade deal that guarantees frictionless movement of goods and an open border in Ireland.

On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 283 to 189.


Motion E: confirmatory public vote
It has been drawn up by the Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson. This motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification. This option, tabled last time by the Labour former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett, polled the highest number of votes although it was defeated by 295 votes to 268.

On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 295 to 268.


Motion F: public vote to prevent no deal
Moved by Labour’s Graham Jones and the Tory former attorney general Dominic Grieve, this proposal would require a referendum, if necessary, to prevent the UK leaving the EU without a deal.


Motion G: parliamentary supremacy
The SNP MP Joanna Cherry joins Grieve and MPs from other parties with this plan to seek an extension to the Brexit process, and if this is not possible then parliament will choose between either no deal or revoking article 50.

An inquiry would follow to assess the future relationship likely to be acceptable to Brussels and have majority support in the UK.

On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 293 to 184.


Motion H: Efta and EEA
A motion tabled by the Conservative MP George Eustice – who quit as agriculture minister to fight for Brexit – proposes rejoining the Efta at the “earliest opportunity”, agree a short extension to the UK’s membership of the EU to conclude accession to Efta and negotiate with the EU additional protocols relating to the Northern Ireland border and agri-food trade.

On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 377 to 64.
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