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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:03 AM Aug 2012

Republicans or Democrats?: No Difference for Educators

For about thirty years now, public education as well as its teachers and students have been the focus of an accountability era driven by recurring calls for and the implementation of so-called higher standards and incessant testing. At two points during this era, educators could blame Ronald Reagan’s administration for feeding the media frenzy around the misleading A Nation at Risk and George W. Bush’s administration for federalizing the accountability era with No Child Left Behind (NCLB)—both Republican administrations.

For those who argued that Republicans and Democrats were different sides of the same political coin beholden to corporate interests, education advocates could point to Republicans with an accusatory finger and claim the GOP was anti-public education while also endorsing Democrats as unwavering supporters of public education. To claim Republicans and Democrats were essentially the same was left to extremists and radicals, it seemed.

As we approach the fall of 2012 and the next presidential election, however, educators and advocates for public education have found that the position of the extremists—Republicans and Democrats are the same—has come true under the Barack Obama administration.

Educators have no political party to support because no political party supports educators, public education, or teachers unions.

more . . . http://www.dailycensored.com/2012/08/24/republicans-or-democrats-no-difference-for-educators/

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Republicans or Democrats?: No Difference for Educators (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 OP
I'm afraid that's not about Obama. That trend predates Obama CabCurious Aug 2012 #1
Of course it's about Obama. woo me with science Aug 2012 #10
CLINTON was the one who supported the testing & public choice movements. And OBAMA isn't the one... CabCurious Aug 2012 #13
You deny reality. woo me with science Aug 2012 #15
I'm not denying what's happening under Obama (and no need to get personal) CabCurious Aug 2012 #16
+1 proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #22
it is so bad there is no content , concepts or relationships detailed just lunasun Aug 2012 #29
yes, but to equate both parties in terms of privatization is completely, utterly wrong. CabCurious Aug 2012 #39
"I agree that the assault on public education is basically bipartisan..." woo me with science Aug 2012 #46
Great post. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #47
Yes he was. But Clinton isn't President any more, hasn't been since 2000 Autumn Aug 2012 #17
Obama appointed Arne Duncan proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #19
I guess they could go ahead and support the republicans 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #2
You're going to have to show me where you get that from the article proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #23
Reality is of no use to many, especially during election years. mmonk Aug 2012 #44
here 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #48
Huh? How is that supporting republicans? proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #50
that there was no difference between the two to them 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #60
They won't vote Republican; they'll just sit out this election. Zalatix Aug 2012 #25
It's all about the public money they want to get their grimy hands on, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #3
Yup. Time to repost this: woo me with science Aug 2012 #11
+1 CabCurious Aug 2012 #14
Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #30
And there was no difference between Gore and Bush Frances Aug 2012 #4
I don't feel that Obama has supported teachers as much as I would like but... charmay Aug 2012 #5
Michigan too! erinlough Aug 2012 #6
Yes, at the state level it's a different story proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #20
Completely, absolutely, 100% wrong. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #7
and the Dems do NOT support the full assault on unions CabCurious Aug 2012 #8
Not a full assault. woo me with science Aug 2012 #12
That's the state level. proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #21
I present to you the states of Louisiana, Mississippi and TX cali Aug 2012 #9
Romney says he doesn't ProSense Aug 2012 #18
Arne Duncan and The President have been a disaster for public education. Blue Idaho Aug 2012 #24
"because the alternative is unthinkable." ProSense Aug 2012 #26
I understand Blue Idaho Aug 2012 #28
The new bumper sticker: woo me with science Aug 2012 #36
Rhe ENTIRE education reform movement has been a disaster for education CabCurious Aug 2012 #27
Both parties remind me of the boss who wants his secretary to quit or retire MichiganVote Aug 2012 #31
Clinton put the internet in our schools. proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #32
RTTT, merit pay, charter schools. Obama and Duncan Orlandodem Aug 2012 #33
Oh! I strenuously disagree. The difference is huge! longship Aug 2012 #34
+1 great white snark Aug 2012 #35
Remember Rod Paige? Bush's Sec of Ed? He called teachers terrorists? proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #37
You can ProSense Aug 2012 #42
uhh... ew CabCurious Aug 2012 #45
Anyone who would base their vote on ONE appointed cabinet member is an idiot proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #51
I disagree again. longship Aug 2012 #49
I gave up waiting for that change proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #53
Mitt would not increase class size. longship Aug 2012 #57
I'm voting for Obama but not with glee. proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #58
I am voting for Obama because I'd prefer not living in a theocracy longship Aug 2012 #59
Yes. One side is destoying Public Education. The other side is trying to reform (but misguided). CabCurious Aug 2012 #41
In NYC the UFT has been a loyal supporter... meaculpa2011 Aug 2012 #38
Our local labor council endorsed candidates who had also been endorsed by Students First proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #40
Esp in NYC, the anti-union pressure has been rebuilding for nearly 20 years now. CabCurious Aug 2012 #43
the talk at statewide meetings of my faculty union USED to be about the dems who support us.... mike_c Aug 2012 #52
Some of that same talk here. proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #55
BULLSHIT. NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #54
I'll believe that on the day Arnie Duncan is sacked.... mike_c Aug 2012 #56
Well if you been RIF lately B Calm Aug 2012 #61
This sure hasn't been my experience NNN0LHI Aug 2012 #62
Yes talk to your kids and give them an alternative to what they are being fed by authoritative lunasun Aug 2012 #63

CabCurious

(954 posts)
1. I'm afraid that's not about Obama. That trend predates Obama
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:05 AM
Aug 2012

Clinton was, for example, the top supporter of charter schools and public school choice.

I think the issue to focus on is the country-wide, public/private assault on basic rights to unionize.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
10. Of course it's about Obama.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:45 AM
Aug 2012

Obama continues, expands, and validates this garbage.

He could be our hope right now to stop it, but he has taken the opposite track.

CabCurious

(954 posts)
13. CLINTON was the one who supported the testing & public choice movements. And OBAMA isn't the one...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:13 PM
Aug 2012

trying to destroy unions.

I'm not trying to bash Cliton, either. I'm just saying that once again the left is bashing Obama unfairly.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
15. You deny reality.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:39 PM
Aug 2012

It is that simple. Obama chose an education secretary who is a stalwart fan of charter schools. Schools now test in MORE content areas than they did under Bush. We hear ad nauseum about failing schools and solutions that sound like Republicans just crawled out of the woodwork. The record is clear.....and you utterly deny it.

Here's just the latest outrage: Please explain to me why Michelle Rhee, the QUEEN of Republican education deform, will be showing a movie at the Democratic convention?????

Michelle Rhee's group to show Parent Trigger movie Won't Back Down at DNC convention. Unforgivable.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian



We could go on and on...but you know these things already.

Arne all excited that Obama and Christie agree so much on education.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/8446


Denying reality is not an argument.

CabCurious

(954 posts)
16. I'm not denying what's happening under Obama (and no need to get personal)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:42 PM
Aug 2012

I'm saying that if you look honestly at CLINTON's efforts along those EXACT same lines, it was a much stronger effort.

Meanwhile, the GPO are trying to completely dismantle... DISMANTLE public education.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
29. it is so bad there is no content , concepts or relationships detailed just
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:12 PM
Aug 2012

answers to future questions on tests!! For whole subjects not just for reading scores

and now where my sister in law is teaching she has to compete with a charter school (parents can choose either) where this school will pick you up at home and drop you off for the school day. Her public school will become a failed school as working parents choose not to go there and go with the charter.

They will do what they think will make life a little aerier, and not thinking about the quality of education just the convenience

i can not even image how bad it will probably get. I'm from Illinois I know how bad Duncaan was/is.

We have been at a Walmart moment with education and it has spread across the nation like walmart too now
can it be stopped or changed ?

A friend's whole district( guessing all Repugs in that area) just got rid of Everyday Math Curriculum so parents fighting back does work and education should be free of politics with everyone concerned.

Anyway, as a nation now ,folks see that just having" Democrats" is the answer doesn't cut it.

CabCurious

(954 posts)
39. yes, but to equate both parties in terms of privatization is completely, utterly wrong.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:23 PM
Aug 2012

I agree that the assault on public education is basically bipartisan because both parties have adopted commitments to public school choice and a range of simplistic reform initiatives without more serious dialog about the causes of failure.

However, this is not new. And to equate both parties as equally trying to privatize is just absolutely wrong.

One side is trying to literally destroy public education and unions in general. The other side is trying to reform it, but with misguided reform initiatives.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
46. "I agree that the assault on public education is basically bipartisan..."
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:00 PM
Aug 2012

Yes, it is bipartisan. The rest of your argument is a bunch of lesser of two evils apologism that accomplishes only one thing: to try to get people to minimize the problems in our own party.

That's irresponsible. We need to talk about this assault. The only reason we are now in the desperate straits we are in is because rather than providing a unified opposition to destructive Republican policies, we have allowed corporate interests to infiltrate our party and turn this into a lesser of two evils game. Look at the ridiculous arguments in this thread: Yes, Democrats are assaulting public education, but they are not doing so as viciously as Republicans are!

Here's the bumper sticker: " Not a full assault! A partial assault!"

Good god.

As a result, we move steadily rightward. The lesser of two evils strategy is working for the corporatists in education, just as it is working in so many other policy areas...

This constant mantra of "Well, Republicans are worse" accomplishes absolutely NOTHING except to enable the slide rightward. It accomplishes nothing except to minimize the deadly serious threat that now infests even our own party....to the point that MICHELLE RHEE is a speaker at the Democratic convention. When the default response to legitimate alarms about what is happening in our party is to ARGUE with them that Republicans are worse, we have a serious problem.

And it's a threat not ONLY to our children's futures and to education, but to our entire future as a nation. Education is just one example. We have allowed corporate money to flood our government, and our country is now under assault by corporatists who intend to privatize and reap profit from every aspect of our lives.


Autumn

(45,056 posts)
17. Yes he was. But Clinton isn't President any more, hasn't been since 2000
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:46 PM
Aug 2012

Obama is President and what has he done about it? OBAMA is the one... and this is hardly unfair bashing, this is deserved criticism.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
2. I guess they could go ahead and support the republicans
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:11 AM
Aug 2012

and send the US to hell. Even if they don't feel that THEY are personally supported, they must be smart enough to know that voting for republicans is a death sentence to all of us.

I am feeling certain that the republicans plan to destroy the education system as we now know it. They will voucher out the tax money, close the schools one by one, impose distance learning as the standard, get richer by selling the only acceptable program to the masses.

They no longer want their tax money to go to educate the poor. Those kids will end up living in their privately owned prison system and will not need an education.

IMO the teachers collectively are the ones who need to be consulted on all education decisions.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
23. You're going to have to show me where you get that from the article
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 01:35 PM
Aug 2012

which clearly states that NEITHER party is doing what's best for education.

I believe you'll also find that most educators are highly educated and are NOT one issue voters. My concern for the Supreme Court and the ACA will guide my vote for Obama and Democrats. But his education policies really suck.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
44. Reality is of no use to many, especially during election years.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:30 PM
Aug 2012

The streets and organizing are what's left for the politically marginalized.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
48. here
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:19 PM
Aug 2012
Educators have no political party to support because no political party supports educators, public education, or teachers unions.


Between this and the title, it's the message I see

perhaps, I am just not reading that correctly?

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
60. that there was no difference between the two to them
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:42 AM
Aug 2012

is what I thought you were saying. So I was saying that even if they thought there was no difference, a vote for a repig is a vote for hell, more or less.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
3. It's all about the public money they want to get their grimy hands on,
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:18 AM
Aug 2012

and busting unions. They couldn't care less about the kids, the teachers, or the future they're making.

Frances

(8,545 posts)
4. And there was no difference between Gore and Bush
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:20 AM
Aug 2012

And there was no difference between Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan

What a bunch of crap!

charmay

(525 posts)
5. I don't feel that Obama has supported teachers as much as I would like but...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:24 AM
Aug 2012

in Wisconsin there is a clear difference between republicans and democrats in regard to education. Public education will be a horror show if republicans gain control of our country. Even though I'm not entirely happy with Obama and Duncan's attitude toward education, I will be voting for all democrats in Nov.

erinlough

(2,176 posts)
6. Michigan too!
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:58 AM
Aug 2012

I have witnessed, as have you, what having these extreme ALEC minions in office brings. There is a difference, and we had better vote and show it.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
7. Completely, absolutely, 100% wrong.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:00 AM
Aug 2012

Just look at the Texas GOP voting to outlaw critical thinking. If you really think there's no difference between D and R on education, you are deluded.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
12. Not a full assault.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
Aug 2012

Only a partial assault.

Both parties are moving rightward on education. Like in every other area, it's a huge, huge "lesser of two evils" trap to judge Democratic policies in education in comparison to what Republicans would do, because Republicans will *always* offer something crazier and worse. That is how we are pulled to the right, and how the corporatized version of education that Obama is pushing now gets to be seen as even remotely acceptable. We must judge Democratic policies based on what we know is right for our children. Republican-light is damaging to our school systems and harmful to our children.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. I present to you the states of Louisiana, Mississippi and TX
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:16 AM
Aug 2012

now let's look at the state of MA or CT or VT.

I'm calling bullshit on this false equivalency.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. Romney says he doesn't
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:47 PM
Aug 2012

need teachers (or police and firefighters).

Seriously, this claim is nonsense. You can oppose the President's policy without the false equivalency. Romney would be a disaster for education.

Barack Obama is spreading the word that the Romney-Ryan plan also sucks on education
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/21/1122481/-Barack-Obama-is-spreading-the-word-that-the-Romney-Ryan-plan-also-sucks-on-education

Blue Idaho

(5,048 posts)
24. Arne Duncan and The President have been a disaster for public education.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 01:46 PM
Aug 2012

The slow but steady march toward for-profit educational solutions and the cookie cutter outcome assessments they sell would have real Democratic champions of public education spinning in their graves.

I have been a professional educator for thirty years and the problems in public education can't be fixed by unfunded feel good legislation or by applying a business model to the educational system.

Don't get me wrong - I am supporting the President wholeheartedly with my time and my money because the alternative is unthinkable. But the crap coming out of Washington is laughable and every classroom teacher in American knows it.

Blue Idaho

(5,048 posts)
28. I understand
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:05 PM
Aug 2012

But there is no way the President can say he has been a friend and supporter of public education. He is drinking the same "Waiting for Superman" corporate KoolAid the republicans are.

His is just a little more watered down.

Did I mention I support the President with my time and money? ;-D

CabCurious

(954 posts)
27. Rhe ENTIRE education reform movement has been a disaster for education
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 01:51 PM
Aug 2012

It's been increasingly this way for 20 years... and the GOP are making it worse.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
31. Both parties remind me of the boss who wants his secretary to quit or retire
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:48 PM
Aug 2012

They've cut the pay to districts, added on more hours and mandated programs, more useless training, fewer breaks, make Teachers pay huge sums to begin working at 28K with now next to nothing in benefits, reduced standards, raised standards, ....

They are saying to the public, to the parents, to the districts and states and to the teachers: Will you quit now?

The last President to support public education was Lyndon Johnson.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
32. Clinton put the internet in our schools.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:55 PM
Aug 2012

I'll give him credit for that.

But yes, Johnson was the last real supporter we had in the WH.

Orlandodem

(1,115 posts)
33. RTTT, merit pay, charter schools. Obama and Duncan
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:59 PM
Aug 2012

Are a disaster. If I do not vote it will be because of Arne Duncan. I feel like Obama has stabbed teachers in the back. Everytime I get a letter in the mail asking for money I send it back with a note that Obama will not get one penny from me unless he drops Duncan.

longship

(40,416 posts)
34. Oh! I strenuously disagree. The difference is huge!
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:11 PM
Aug 2012

The difference is that the Republican party as it stands now would kill secular public education altogether and replace it with a warped Christian version of all the disciplines. Especially with respect to science, history, and civics, the changes would be profound.

Any educator that doesn't see this isn't paying attention. Check out LA and TX. Check out the education bills in TN KY and many other states.

There is a stark difference between the parties on education. Saying there isn't is utterly delusional.

What's wrong with these people?

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
37. Remember Rod Paige? Bush's Sec of Ed? He called teachers terrorists?
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:19 PM
Aug 2012

I'd rather have him back than deal with Arne Duncan one more day.

And I believe most teachers would agree with me.

That's how bad it is now. The difference between the parties at the national level isn't really all that stark.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
42. You can
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:28 PM
Aug 2012

"Remember Rod Paige? Bush's Sec of Ed? He called teachers terrorists?

I'd rather have him back than deal with Arne Duncan one more day."

...vote Romney.

Rod Paige, other Bush administration appointees named to Mitt Romney’s education advisory group
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/rod-paige-other-bush-administration-appointees-named-to-mitt-romneys-education-advisory-group/2012/05/22/gIQAP0hJiU_blog.html

I seriously think some of these over-the-top comparisons have less to do with policies than they do with personalities.

longship

(40,416 posts)
49. I disagree again.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:27 PM
Aug 2012

Do you honestly think that the Democrats will not change on these issues?

Do you honestly think that the Republicans might be better on that aspect? Like they've compromised on anything, eh?

I am a former HS math teacher and I am disgusted as well. But there's no way I would portray it the way you do: there is little difference.

That is so clearly not true. In my discipline of math and science the differences are like night and day. If Republicans win in November we will likely all soon know the extent of the differences and then teachers will really be crying.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
53. I gave up waiting for that change
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:22 PM
Aug 2012

No, I don't think the republicans are better. I agree with the article I posted in the OP. On education, both parties suck. Mitt would increase class size, which is an incredibly bad policy. And Obama is supporting privatization, another bad policy.

Obama wants stimulus money to hire more teachers. But he'll never get it unless Congress changes. In my state, most of the Democrats support funding our public schools while the republicans vote against school funding. That's one reason I am voting for Democrats.

But none of that addresses Race to the Top or Common Core or any of Arne Duncan's other crazy ideas.

longship

(40,416 posts)
57. Mitt would not increase class size.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:21 PM
Aug 2012

With the tea baggers holding Congress, they would reduce public school class size to zero. The intent is to kill public education.

Look at Louisiana, especially. What is happening there is a model for the country. BTW, that is where the science textbooks were written at Bob Jones University. The text feature the young earth creationism that Republicans prefer. It includes the incredible claim that the Loch Ness monster is real and is a Plesiosaur (NB, not a dinosaur) which was created along with humans.

And consider the debate in TX where they removed Thomas Jefferson as an influence of the founders and replaced him by... that's right... Thomas Aquinas. Great historians those Republicans.

Class size is the least of our worries with a Republican administration with a tea bag congress.

Vote for Obama with glee and work within a functional system. Or, stay home... Literally because teachers will really be hurting under a tea bag administration.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
58. I'm voting for Obama but not with glee.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:16 PM
Aug 2012

I'm smart enough to understand the importance of the Supreme Court and I don't want the ACA thrown out.

longship

(40,416 posts)
59. I am voting for Obama because I'd prefer not living in a theocracy
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:22 AM
Aug 2012

Yes, these Republicans are that bad. And no where are they as bad as education. If you teach, you should already know this.

The disruption to education under Obama is nothing compared to that in a Republican regime. It could be the end of secular education. Well, that's what they desperately desire.

As I wrote above, Obama can evolve on this. The Republicans' plan is calcified like bad arthritis. They will never change. And they want to take education back centuries.

The choice is simple. Really.

CabCurious

(954 posts)
41. Yes. One side is destoying Public Education. The other side is trying to reform (but misguided).
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:26 PM
Aug 2012

The difference is VERY stark.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
38. In NYC the UFT has been a loyal supporter...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:20 PM
Aug 2012

of the Democratic party and recently put their faith in Herr Bloomberg. In exchange for support (meaning that they would not endorse his opponent) the Burgomeister made certain representations. Surprise, surprise. After the election he forgot about what he had promised. The union has been working without a contract going on four years. Now, Bloomberg has announced that any pay increase will NOT be retroactive. If the union "Leaders" agree, they should all be burned at the stake.

Throughout my lifetime (NYC public school student and husband of a teacher) politicians of both parties have treated teachers like garbage. It's worse coming from Democrats because they talk a good game then stab the union in the back.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
40. Our local labor council endorsed candidates who had also been endorsed by Students First
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:24 PM
Aug 2012

That's Michelle Rhee's group. And she claims to be a Democrat.

CabCurious

(954 posts)
43. Esp in NYC, the anti-union pressure has been rebuilding for nearly 20 years now.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:28 PM
Aug 2012

This isn't the first time they've been stuck without a contract for years.

But then again, the Dems aren't in control of NYC, are they?

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
52. the talk at statewide meetings of my faculty union USED to be about the dems who support us....
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:19 PM
Aug 2012

Now, more often, it's about the dems who have betrayed us or the dems who never deliver after we work to get them into office.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
55. Some of that same talk here.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:26 PM
Aug 2012

We're fighting a huge battle against Students First and their donations to Democrats. They have tons of money and an army of lobbyists. And a new movie coming out in a few weeks. Woohoo.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
54. BULLSHIT.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:23 PM
Aug 2012

Republicans want to end public education completely. Democrats want to improve it. The question is how?

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
62. This sure hasn't been my experience
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:46 AM
Aug 2012

About 30 years ago my wife and I were beginning to notice our kids were coming home from school repeating Republican talking points.

We couldn't figure out where they were picking this up from. We raised our kids in a pro-union Democratic household. I was a laid off union auto worker at the time. We realized our kids were being brainwashed somewhere.

So one day before a national election my wife and I took a ride to see what kind of political bumper stickers we seen on the teachers cars at our kids school.

Sure enough, the teachers parking lot was packed full of imported cars with Reagan bumper stickers on over 90% of them.

At that moment we both realized where our kids were picking up the Republican talking points that we heard coming from them. And that night we had a long talk about politics with our kids.

The ride to our kids school that day was a real eye opener for both my wife and I.

Don

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
63. Yes talk to your kids and give them an alternative to what they are being fed by authoritative
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:40 AM
Aug 2012

figures during the day. It has to be done to keep their minds open
I think my *th grader is getting a teabagger this year so all eyes wide open on what is going on in that class


In line waiting on a commuter train ticket booth attendant to buy a ticket
and preteens behind me are talking about if this wasn't a socialist train system the line would be faster and look at the lazy attendant who isn't working fast enuf (minority woman)
Socialist train system??? - get yourself a car and driver punks I wanted to say
but the real surprise was they were 13 -14
it was most likely from home but if school offers no other outlook or agrees
the home / parents should, because their school mates will influence the kids too

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