If they make Abortion illegal then what?

[Heather MC]

I would love for someone to pose these questions to a Wing nut on National tv.

Right now in our Country a Father has the right to disappear from their child's life forever, leaving the mother holding the bag.
The Child support Collection Program is the most fucked up system ever, even if you are a father that's paying through the system, the way they collect the money often times leaves the father with a balance and guest what the collection agency charges interest on the balance that doesn't go to the mother and child it goes to the system. WHY? Any money collected from a parent should benefit the child.

Daycare: I live in an area where avg Day care is $425 a week that's $1720 a month, not counting Rent/ Mortgage, Food, gas, utilities, everything else. Who would help these women pay this cost so they can continue to work.

Sickness: If a mother has to miss work because her child gets sick, she has no job protection from getting fired. I have a friend who's son has seizures when he gets a high fever. He got sick 3 times in a 2 month period causing her to miss a grand total of 4 days from work. her employer told her if you have 3 emergencies you are automatically fired. She had proof of ER visits that didn't matter she was fired.

If you take your child to day care or school and your child runs a fever, you have to keep that child out of the program until the child has been cleared for at least 24 hours of the fever, that is a minimum of 2 days missed work. That you employer can use as a reason to fire you.

My questions are these:
If Abortion is made illegal will their be protection in place that would prevent a parent from being fired from any job if they miss work due to a child's illness?

Will the government create an affordable safe daycare program that would allow single mothers to work and not have to give their entire paycheck to the daycare provider

Will they make it a crime for a FATHER to walk out on his Responsibilities as a Parent? In other words if you tell a man "I am pregnant it's yours" and he says "that's your problem" and leaves can he be charged with Abandonment of a minor.


Will the Adoption Process be made easier?

Will birth control and REAL sex education be made easily available?

IF a women is raped and is pregnant will the Government assume the responsibility of the Father since the real father will hopefully be in jail? I mean if the Government forces a women to keep a baby she doesn't want as the result of a rape, Shouldn't the government then pay child support for that child? Will the Government cover all healthcare cost related to the prenatal care, birth and life of the child?

Getting rid of Abortion particularly in the case of rape creates a whole new bag of concerns the least of which is helping the mother deal with the crisis of being raped, and then forced to go through pregnancy and child birth

Ok if I left anything out please Amend. If I got too extreme well so are the Wing Nuts!

[Motown_Johnny]

1. Then it goes to a state by state fight

[Brickbat]

2. No, none of that will happen, because the whole point of outlawing abortion is to drive home the

concept that having a baby is a punishment for being a slut. Baby = punishment. So all of the slutty women in this country will finally realize that having a baby is hard work, and so they will stop their slutty, slutty ways.

[Heather MC]

4. What about about the slutty men who got them pregnant??

Too bad I was born with a hole and not a pole

[Brickbat]

6. They are powerless before the slutty, slutty women.

Who can blame them? Women are slutty sluts who get pregnant just so they can have abortions.

[Heather MC]

9. Well all I can say to that is, You have to have a hobby it keeps the mind alert!

[lunatica]

25. Except if those slutty sluts take birth control they expect Rush Limbaugh to pay for

[Warpy]

29. You think they're going to stop with abortion?

Those slutty sluts will have to crank out an unwanted baby every single year or mend their ways, meaning the only way they'll get pregnant is if they get raped.

Men, relieved of the constant pressure from these slutty sluts wanting them to deplete their life essence, will be freed up to worship THE LAWD with everything they have.

[fleur-de-lisa]

30. If they succeed in banning abortions . . .

all forms of birth control are next. The repukes have made it clear that they intend to put women in their place, which they believe is back under the control of men. I think it drives rightwing men nuts that so many women are independent and plan to stay that way. They will stop at nothing to gain control of women, so we have to adopt the mindset they WE will stop at nothing to fight back.

[lunatica]

34. And all this just because they're worried about the size of their tiny dicks

I figure they ones who want women to only know how one man looks naked are the one's who have a problem with thinking women may have actually seen other penises.

I'm only talking about the Christofascist misogynists and not painting all men with any broad brush. Liberal men thing women are OK as they are and I'm perfectly happy with that.

[justabob]

11. indeed, even if they are married

and wouldn't have had an abortion anyway. That it is damned near impossible to survive without two people working, matters not. The women should have chosen better husbands. Or something. This shit gets so old.

[LiberalLoner]

26. And then they will make rape legal because men need sex after all! But those bad women should pay

the price for everything because they were born sluts and bad and men are good, women are bad. So women were made to suffer. See how easy that is? Anything that makes women's and children's lives worse (or even better kills them outright) makes God smile! According to the fundies anyhow.

[hifiguy]

3. The real answer to this is simple.

They will go after all forms of birth control. It's as certain as eggs is eggs.

These people are theocratic totaitarians and they will stop at nothing.

[cali]

8. they're already doing that.

wingnuts in the house have tried to introduce a personhood amendment- and they're still trying. It has, of course, absolutely no chance of passing even if the repubs control both houses and the white house.

[arely staircase]

5. only illegal aliens will have abortions. nt

[Blue Meany]

7. They are very unlikely to outlaw abortion. They need this issue mobilize their

base. If they outlaw abortion and gay marriage, the issues will not matter to their base as much. And they will pay a big price in the next election and those laws will be overturned.

[kestrel91316]

21. FAIL. This isn't just to get out the base. They are dead serious about actually taking away rights.

First they came for abortion rights.......

Do read Niemoller on this.

[thecrow]

10. All good thoughtful questions..

Maybe you should send them to the news organisations.

[Heather MC]

14. Thanks, these questions have been on my mind for a while, since

I live in the real world among real people unlike the wealthy white men who make laws about people they never want to be in a room with. I have seen first hand what my Sisters go through who are single mothers, and are raising babies that were the result of a "legitimate rape"

I know about a lot dead beat dads who hit it and split. and they all make loads of money but give nothing to their children except the bare minimum they are forced to give.

I have opened my home to single mothers when the baby daddies have kicked them and their children out on the street.

And I was raised by a single mother. I live the struggle, I see the struggle, I was the struggle for many years.

The news always seems to speak in abstract generalities, but these kinds of things are happening to real people everyday in our country
I would love to see them put a face to this issue and make it human for all these rethugs that live with their heads up their asses and never see the light of day. They need to be FORCED to see what repealing legal Abortions would really do to this country as whole.

[fleur-de-lisa]

31. You are awesome Heather MC!

My hero of the day!!!

[Heather MC]

36. Aww stop it I am a Cryer!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. The Pro-preggers will issue every fertile female a dime and instructions on how to hold it between

her knees.

[Aerows]

13. If they make abortion illegal

The next thing to go will be birth control. Count on it.

[longship]

17. ^^ THIS ^^

nt

[vankuria]

15. All great questions

If abortion is made illegal, I can guarantee the gov't will do nothing to help mother's and their babies or even make it easier or more affordable to adopt. What will happen is abortion services will go underground and women's lives will be at risk. So the real question is will abortion continue to be safe and available or are women going to die?

[nolabear]

16. These are very real questions, and need to be answered.

I get the desire to just take shots at the GOP, but you're exactly right; men can and do simply walk away, and women seldom do. And if they do, the duty for child care falls to their own mothers.

I suppose if the government fails us utterly then women will become even more of an underground society than we are now. We'll be the third world in the United States, living in the shadows whe we can and raising a whole lot of children who will function more and more poorly, including boys who become men who walk away because they don't know how to do otherwise (it's not just knowing what to do; it's having the ability to function in a world that has screwed you from before you were born and so not having biopsychosocial resources to help you be a good father and partner).

The problem is only barely addressable now. If the gov't. would start at the most basic level with good birth control education and accessability, good prenatal health care, good job training and child care options, good schools that teach kids and provide places for them to go after school, legalization of drugs so that the incentive to deal goes away and other options are necessary, support systems for both mothers and fathers so they can tolerate the stress of parenting, and in general a sense of inclusion for these people who feel no reason to invest in a society that has shut them out, then in thirty years we could have a much, much larger segment of the population that could get to that ideal the GOP likes to wave around.

But if you don't acknowledge how very crippling the current system is and just punish those who are injured by it for being injured, including the abandoning men and struggling women and deeply damaged children, if you take the shaming, condescending, holier-than-thou stance the Republicans do and believe that things will improve, not by work and sacrifice but by magic, then the future is dark indeed.

[AndyTiedye]

18. Then They go On to Ban Birth Control Too

While women die by the thousands from botched abortions, and nothing whatsoever is done about all the issues raised in the OP.

[treestar]

19. I think they really hope that

1. There will be more white babies for infertile couples to adopt
2. They will have more poor young men with the military being the best option
3. So they can have more wars and occupations and US dominance in the world
4. More people lowers the cost of labor - there will be enough poor Americans to stop the Mexican immigration. More poor white people is their biggest hope
5. Women wil stop being uppity, since they will need their children's fathers' income even more and so will be more obedient to their husbands.

[fleur-de-lisa]

33. A frightening scenario

but you make some very good points. I have to agree with your logic; I think you nailed the wingnut agenda. Too bad the sane republicans, and I think there are some, are drinking the kool-aid.

[kestrel91316]

20. Women with children will have no choice but to leave the workforce.

And women will have no choice but to marry any man that will have them.

This is the goal.

[Nikia]

22. What makes it especially bad is that they want to cut programs that we have

Personally, I would like to see a commercial where pregnant women who faced difficult circumstances said how medicaid, food stamps, and other programs helped them choose life and get back on their feet for themselves and their child.

[alphafemale]

23. Women will die. Usually in ugly painful ways.

Rotting from the inside.

Not that that matters to any right winger that ever lived. The only women they have ever cared about were in comas.

Edit...because some people get all snotty about it...Corrected tense.

[Bigmack]

24. Hell... abortion is legal, but not available in 87% of the counties in the US....

... that's 97% of the counties in rural areas.

So what difference does legality make?

This country is sooooo fucked!

(edited to add link)

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/access/index.html

[Frustratedlady]

27. I don't believe the Pugs want to get rid of abortion because of the child's life...

I think it leans more toward keeping the crop available for the military.

When the Pug proclaims to be pro-life, they don't show it in any other way except for abortion. They don't care about the mother's life, they don't care about over-population, they want to cut off welfare and food stamps...on and on and on.

What's their second, most important concern? Keeping the military fund at the max.

Granted, it takes 18 years for that baby to grow up, but 18 years go by fast (ask any parent). They want to hit Iran so much they can taste it. By the time they get that war going and, like Iraq, they'll stay longer than projected...that kid is going to be half-grown.

They sure don't want their sons going to war.

[xmas74]

28. it if becomes illegal

then I'll learn how to safely perform menstrual extraction. There's a network of women right now learning the skills in case we really do lose the option of having safe, legal abortions. No return to back alley crap if we can prevent it.

In the end, try as they might, it'll still be around. Even though I'm not a huge fan of abortion I'd rather have it around and have it be safe whenever needed. If that means I'd have to learn how to assist, so be it.

[Heather MC]

38. I don't believe anyone is a fan of Abortion, but as you say it should be provided

in a safe clean environment, and women should not have to fear being arrested or die from botched abortions

[xmas74]

39. Exactly.

I'm normally not the alarmist type but I have to wonder if it's time to begin again with the women's groups teaching each other how to perform things like menstrual extractions, learning about natural forms of birth control, etc. I really am afraid that some group will do a darn good shot of taking it all away.

I have a daughter. I want to know what to do for her, just in case.

[Heather MC]

40. It's Crazy that in 2012 this is what we need to be preparing our daughters for

The odd thing is I don't think things would have gotten so crazy if a Black man had not won in 2008
and what I mean is that's all they see when they see our President. All they see is the black man won and took our white country from us
ohh boo hoo we will show them all we will take everything from them that will teach them not to vote a black person in office again!!

I pray in 2016 our next President is a democratic women any color will do! or something they would never see coming A BLACK FEMALE ackkkk or Asian, no Hispanic Female

[xmas74]

42. This started almost as soon as Roe v. Wade was decided.

The RR movement gained grounds in the 80's and leaps in the 90's.

What the election of Obama did was finally infuriate them to the point that they could no longer hide their racism and misogyny. It also gave them the perfect scapegoat to throw at the swarms of idiots.

I'm frightened for my daughter's future.

[Freddie]

32. It's about controlling women

A woman who is constantly pregnant and/or caring for young children cannot get an education or keep a good job; she will be dependent on her Lord and Master, the husband. This is what they want and why abortion is just the first step, birth control is next.
It has absolutely nothing to do with "respecting life." If they really cared about ending the slaughter of zygotes, there would be pickets at every IVF clinic, and contraception would be free and available everywhere.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. This:

In June 1964, a woman was found dead from an illegal abortion on a Norwich, Connecticut motel room floor. She was identified by her sister as Gerri Santoro, a mother of two facing her third pregnancy. Santoro and her two daughters had been victims of an abusive husband/father. Santoro was just 28 years old, and was 6.5 months pregnant with her secret lover’s baby. He took her to the motel, and fled when the self-induced abortion went wrong, abandoning dying Santoro behind. (He was arrested but served only a year for manslaughter).

In 1972, WCLA was given a copy of the photo from the NYC Medical Examiner. In May of 1973, a crime scene photo of Gerri Santoro was published in Ms. Magazine, after the U.S Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade in January of that year. Even before Roe v. Wade, Ms. published the names of women admitting to having had abortions, an action of civil disobedience that highlighted the importance of the issue. Gerri’s re-discovered case and terrifying photo stirred a nation and inflamed a movement. Bloody, nude, alone, Gerri Santoro’s lifeless corpse became a powerful symbol of the newly legitimatized pro-choice movement.

http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/gerri-santoros-abortion/

[Carolina]

37. then it's back to back alley butchers,

DIYers with toxic douches and assorted profiteers. Making it illegal will not make it unavailable. Look at alcohol during Prohibition or look at the current war on drugs... BIG FAIL.

I truly hope ACOG and the AMA will at some point speak out on this. You simply cannot work in women's health and not see the backwardness of all GOP positions on abortion, rape, oral contraceptives (which have other uses aside from birth control), etc.

Frankly, you look at those who do so much protesting and see that they are white and male. At the same time, projected national demographics point to a drastic change by 2025. So, in short they need more white babies (by any means necessary) to counter the coming brown hordes!

These people are not pro-life; they are pro-white.

[me b zola]

41. Unfortunately...

The adoption process will likely be made easier, as i'm sure your question was not from the standpoint of the first-mother nor child that will be relinquished. And although many of us are glad that we brought joy to a family, adoption has life-long consequences for both the first mother and the relinquished child.

Adoption should be rare, not made easier.

[Cleita]

43. Going back to the fifties when I was a teenager this is what happened.

Rich girls who got pregnant often went to the hospital for an appendectomy but got a D & C with no questions asked. Poorer girls went to Mexico (from the West anyway) and took their chances. Catholic girls were put into unwed mother homes run by nuns as well as many non-Catholic pregnant girls and were pretty much forced to give the babies up for adoption. Married women who got pregnant, when they didn't want to, often tried to get miscarriages by excessive alcohol, scalding hot baths, extreme exercise and sometimes all three at once. The wire coat hanger is not a joke. Desperate women tried to insert any variety of rod like instruments, coat hangers, knitting needles etc. up into their uterus to dislodge an embryo often with tragic results. Many poisonous herbal concoctions were ingested to act as abortificants sometimes with tragic results. It was not a fun time for women's issues.

[PD Turk]

44. Then they cash in

...By buying stock in coat hanger manufacturers

[Zoeisright]

45. THIS is what: Dead women.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021200076

Center for Reproductive Rights Files Case Revealing the Horrifying Reality of El Salvador's Ban on Abortion
Manuela’s story demonstrates the fatal consequences of El Salvador’s law and why it must change

El Salvador’s absolute ban on abortion has resulted in tragic and often fatal consequences for the women living in that country — resulting in the arbitrary imprisonment of women suffering from miscarriages and complications in their pregnancies, according to a petition filed today with the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights by the Center for Reproductive Rights and local Salvadoran organization Colectiva de Mujeres para el Desarrollo Local (Agrupación Ciudadana por la Despenalización del Aborto Ético, Terapéutico y Eugenésico de El Salvador).

Today’s petition was filed on behalf of “Manuela” (a pseudonym) and her family. Manuela was a 33-year-old Salvadoran mother of two who was convicted of murder and sentenced to 30 years in prison after suffering severe complications giving birth. El Salvador has one of the most extreme abortion bans in the world—prohibiting abortion even when necessary to save a pregnant woman’s life and imposing harsh criminal penalties on both women and physicians.