I'm still thinking they WANT to lose.

[Atman]

I've never heard such stupid shit coming out of the mouths of any politician. It's like they want to cannonball the whole thing. Hmmmm. I wonder why?

Well, if you look at the European debt crisis, that might be your answer. There is seriously bad shit going down in the Eurozone.

If The Banksters can just keep the negro in office long enough, Europe might fall under Obama's watch. It will discredit the black president, it will discredit crazy liberal economics, it will throw the world economy into chaos...and that will be the only way the demographically-challenged Republican Party would have ANY hope of surviving past this election.

Of course, I could be wrong.

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[blm]

1. Jeb2016 has been operating since 2000.

Not sure if Romney realizes it, yet.

[Atman]

4. I'm not sure Romney realizes what color shoes he's wearing.

Whatever Conchetta laid out for him that morning, along with his starched white shirt.

[CabCurious]

2. I feel like this is more about them going "all in" with a new platform for 2016 & beyond

[DontTreadOnMe]

3. I think they want to win, but...

the GOP Obstructionist Plan works just as good as having the White House.

They want government to fail. They want to bankrupt everything.

The Democrats need to start making the main point that the GOP is in the way of progress.

[freshwest]

17. +1

[yellerpup]

5. Wasn't it Grover Norquist

who said all they really wanted for the Oval Office is a robo-signer? I really do wonder what is in store. It does seem that the Republicans have been trying to throw the contest.

[Atman]

8. It is the stupidest bunch of turdballs ever.

I honestly can't believe there is a multi-million dollar "organization" pushing this clown car!

[yellerpup]

10. Perhaps Rmoney's abiity

to self-finance his campaign and having shown a willingness to do so in the past influenced his selection as a back-room candidate. He wasn't that popular with voters in the primaries.

[demwing]

15. We all know what's in store - we just don't like to admit it

this is a poker game, the Republicans believe they hold the weaker hand, but are going "all in" in an effort to bluff their way to a win.

If they lose, well fuck it, they thought they were going to lose anyway, and they'll blame it on the Tea Party and reinvent themselves. America will forget 2012 as soon as American Idol starts it's new season--or as soon as a Kardashian has another 30 minute marriage--and the Republicans will be back again in 4-6 years, no sweat.

But if they win...

If they win we'll all be looking at a new Christofascism, comparable to the Republic of Gideon in the book The Handmaid's Tale.

We don't like to say such things because they sound too horrible--but isn't that exactly the method that evil has always used to gain power? Evil's greatest weapon is disbelief. Disbelief that such a thing as evil even exists, that it clothes itself in the robes of saintliness, or that it's just as likely to arise and attack from within a society than it is to arise and attack from without.

We do know what's in store, we just don't want believe in our hearts what we know in our heads.

[yellerpup]

21. I get that.

I wrote a play, "The AMEN Statement" (acronym for Amendment for Mothers and Embyros of the Nation) back in 1985 and just as I finished it, the "Handmaiden's Tale" came out. Very similar in our imagination of the future with the only difference being that no one in mine wore uniforms... We were going to try to do it in Houston during the GHW Bush convention, but then Bill Clinton swept us away and we felt safe during his administration. The play featured the assassination of an abortion doctor and Planned Parenthood (NYC) didn't want to back it because they thought the play might give potential assassins 'ideas.' Well, assassinations happened anyway. Yes, in our deepest places we know what is at stake in the election.

[brewens]

26. If they win, we'll never see another Republican candidates tax return. They think

the new oligarchy can keep one of their guys in there perpetually. With the citizens united crap and if they get to stack the supreme court even more, they think it will be permanent rule. I think people will finally wake up with that and it could get ugly. Once the poor white people realize they were duped.

[freshwest]

18. Nope, they aren't trying to throw the contest. That's real money they're spending to win.

[yellerpup]

19. I hope their gamble never pays off.

And all that 'real money' needs to get out of politics.

[freshwest]

20. I'd like to see them go broke, but their power is more local than anything else, buying new pals.

[yellerpup]

22. Me, too.

I'm sure you noticed that W never finalized any agreement until all his friends were cut in on the action. You're absolutely right; this is what does trickle down to the local level.

[hfojvt]

6. seems to me like they win even if they lose

If they lose, they get to keep 80-90% of the Bush tax cuts, and probably the accursed payroll tax cut for the wealthy too.

If they lose, they get Simpson-Bowles, something they could probably never pass with a Republican President. Just like only Nixon can goto China, only Clinton can pass NAFTA and kill welfare, and only Obama can gut social security.

With a Republican House and a Republican Senate, I will be very surprised if Obama does not cave on the Bush tax cuts - again.

The further to the right Romney and Ryan go, the more they pull the center to the right, and lay the groundwork for future victories.

[randome]

23. Who says Congress will be solidly Republican next year?

What do you base that on? They've already lost the Senate because of Akin.

[Enrique]

7. so we should vote for Mitt to thwart their scheme

[Atman]

9. No, we should post roly-eyed smilies and not discuss it.

Oh, wait...here's mine...

[Andy823]

11. It's all about congress

The republicans want to keep the house, and they try and take control of the senate. A lot of money is being spent on the races they think they might be able to win in order to accomplish this. They don't care about the WH as long as they can keep on obstructing anything that president Obama wants to do. It's all about 2016. Right now the republicans have no idea how to fix the economy, or to create jobs, and they really don't care about those issues. They will wait till 2016 and if things get better they will try and take credit for that, if things don't get better they will use that to try and take back the WH with someone like Bush, Thune, Christie, or at least someone the party an actually "like" and get behind.

They knew that this time around it would be hard to convince enough people that it was all Obama's fault. The Bush name was still to toxic for Jeb to run, and instead of taking a chance they did what they did with McCain, put out a sacrificial goat, Romney, who they simply want to stop running, and they know that when he loses, he will be out of the picture come 2016.

The only problem with this tactic is that many of those running for the house and senate are starting to show their true mentality, like the Akin comments on rape, the skinny dipping guy at the Dead Sea, etc. Now they aren't sure about things, and even keeping the house will be a challenge for them.

Myself I think that Romney is so bad, and along with the other crap coming out about right wing politicians, it will affect the down ticket candidates, and it will be in a negative way. A lot of republicans just won't be able to voter for Romney, and a lot of them simply won't even bother to vote. Since they have alienated hispanics, women, seniors, first responders, and many other groups, it really isn't looking to good for them. I think they may have over played their hand, especially since they have had to go so far to the right to cater to the teabagger clowns and the Koch brothers who are financing that group.

I also think that once Romney gets the nomination, a whole lot more of his "skeletons" will be falling out of the closest! I really think that the Obama team has only scratched the surface of what they have on this guy.

[Whisp]

12. if you consider voter suppression then that doesn't make sense

otherwise, yes, I sure would agree. They seem to be off the rails and so careless it does seem intentional.

[99th_Monkey]

33. Not to mention the REAL election fraud

that we never have really fixed, i.e. that the vote counting is
now done in secret by PRIVATE GOP-owned corporations like
Diebold, before they changed their name to ES&S.

[Whisp]

35. you got to wonder why they let Obama win in 08 then

probably just because the ditch was so deep then a Pug would not want a part of it, seeing as Bush dug that ditch. So they let that one go and now enough time and lies and rewritten history have gone by, they want it all back.

evil fuckers

[99th_Monkey]

37. Because in '08 GOP only had 1 leg on their stool

now they have THREE legs.
1) Election fraud via GOP owned vote counting,
2) Voter suppression of anyone likely to vote for Obama,
3) Citizens United decision, opened floodgate$ to
buy votes, to buy your very own Congress Critter to
do your bidding.

in 2008 GOP only had #1 above, which only works up
to a point, limited to single digits variation from exit poll
results, over 10% variation gets too obvious.

In 2008 Obama voters overwhelmed the single-digit fudge
factor the GOP was stuck with then; but no longer is that
the case; since if a voter is just purged ... liquidated as
a voter ... then that's a much less visible form of fraud,
especially once it's already in place, which it is in a number
of swing states.

I don't care how fucking crazy and implausible the Rmoney/
rAyn Team is acting; they are in a way gloating over how now
having all 3 legs on their traitorous stool to inflict a nearly
invisible coup of the 1% on everyone else.

Due to above facts, I am not taking ANYthing for granted in
Nov. 2012. They have unleashed all their most deadly rabid
dogs on the electorate; we'll just have to see how stupid
Amerikans really are come Nov.

[Whisp]

38. you about ruined my day

but what you say I know is true.

NGU

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. Or they have been told not to worry.............election fraud and all that jazz.

[quaker bill]

14. I think they want to win

But they face a couple of problems. After 4 years of obstruction, "you lie", birth certificates, "palin' around with terrorists", muslim brotherhood conspiracies, ad nauseum, better than 50% still like the guy, and nearly 50% approve of the job he has done.

What do you do for an encore? The republican base is predictably demanding an "all in" approach. They believe they lost 2008 because McCain was "not conservative enough" (they are wrong about this, but still believe it). Mitt generally runs by carpet bombing negative ads anyway.

I think they are doing what they truly believe will win it for them, and they aren't done, they are just getting started. Soon they will turn it up to 11. When their numbers start to fall, they will see if they can turn it up to 12.

They think a "true conservative" campaign will bring their base out in overwhelming numbers, clear the pews, and stuff the ballot boxes.

What they fail to understand, is when clearly defined in the way they intend to define it, they do not represent a majority of voters and more importantly only a modest minority of the electoral vote.

In this way a truly bad plan to win exercised with force, begins to look like a plan to lose, but it is not.

[CK_John]

16. Your half right... They don't care if they win or lose. They will create choas either outcome.

Choas is a great time to make money and shakeoff the nutter base to fend for themselves.

[randome]

24. You must have something like PTSD to think there is some kind of 'master plan'.

They are losing because they are falling apart. The Tea Party was a coup from the inside. Half the GOP's candidates are running against the Tea Party now.

Was Palin part of this process?

And now Romney?

And now Akin?

You know, sometimes things really are what they appear to be. After 30 years of GOP bullshit, the elephant is falling.

[Atman]

25. I think it's a passive aggressive kind of thing...

Big business, big banks, big oil, Wall Street, the defense industry....they're all doing quite well under the young negro boy...no reason to upset the apple cart.








(Very sorry I have to add the tag, but I know DU all too well.)

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[randome]

32. I don't want to be an optimist. Too much can be overlooked that way.

But I do believe Obama's 2nd term will be much more to our liking than his first. And I couldn't care less if big companies do better under him so long as he secures the social safety net and closes some loopholes.

I think we'll see a more Progressive Obama (with a majority in Congress that no longer needs to tiptoe around such issues) in 2013-2016.

[indivisibleman]

27. too much of a doomsday conspiracy theory to me.

Republicans will do anything to win. Win at any cost seems to be their motto. Thus they will say anything if they think it will get them votes.
Let's just say Europe goes belly up. Obama would be the best man in a time like this. His clear-headedness would only show further what a great leader he is.
No matter what the Republicans try to do it always backfires in their face. Until they decide to take and honest approach to the issues we face they will not gain back the presidency. I am hoping for and expecting another 12 years under Democratic leadership and control. Perhaps more.

[Agnosticsherbet]

28. They are saying what they have to to keep the wheels on their base's bus.

The Base isn't crazy about Mitt, so he must play to them.

I think they hope they can manipulate the vote in enough states to win.

They might be right.

They do want to win. They have simply painted themselves in a very far right corner and can't get past their tea party / John Birch Society bosses.

Now, people like the Bushes have already accepted the loss. I think Jeb and the other so called members of the first string didn't run because they recognized radicals had taken over and made winning this year impossible. Because Jeb has criticized Romney's immigration polices and the partisanship and even suggested that they should and will raise taxes after the election he is paving the way to move Republicans an few increments back toward the center.

I don't think it will work, but I think he will try.

[brush]

29. what?

Ahhh . . . how would Europe failing because of austerity policies be President Obama's fault? He's not the president of Europe, and the repugs are the ones favoring austerity for everyone, but not the 1% of course.

[99th_Monkey]

30. Either that or it's just an epic GOP epidemic of hubris

because the ReThugs KNOW:

1) that the vote counting is rigged, i.e. literally "owned" by
GOP private corporations,

and

2) that the massive purging of Democratic-leaning voters by
whipping up a frenzy to "solve a voter fraud problem" that
does not exist, has successfully disenfranchised many voters
that Obama had in in the bag in 2008..


And in the end, the 1% Puppet Masters will do whatever the
fuck they want to do with the "election outcomes" in Nov.,
because we let them get away with it.

So none of this is real, in any substantial way, it's a big show,
kinda like the Olympics, to distract and confuse the public.

[Initech]

31. If they lose they're still stupid and stubborn enough that they'll attempt impeachment.

[greytdemocrat]

34. It's all the work of...

COBRA and their Master Plan for World Domination!!!

Didn't you get the memo????

[LaydeeBug]

36. I think they're making a very shrewd bet...*IF* they manage to steal another one...

They will *truly* be able to dismantle the system as the oligarchy wishes.

If not, they can just cry sour grapes and obstruct just like they've been doing.