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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHey purists: there's NO WAY Obama could have recess appointed Elizabeth Warren to head CFPB
NO WAY. The REPUBLICANS would have BLOCKED IT.
Now we have a SUCCESSFUL appointment, thanks to our president's FAR-SIGHTED and POLITICALLY-REALISTIC moves.
So pull your heads out of your butts and drink a BIG STEAMING CUP OF REALITY.
racaulk
(11,550 posts)FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)K&R.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)the PURISTS will see how RIDICULOUS, PUNY and INCREASINGLY IRRELEVANT they are.
frylock
(34,825 posts)GOLD!
RC
(25,592 posts)And she did want to be the first director to make sure it go off the ground and going properly.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...that she wasn't going to get anywhere with a congress that has repeatedly tried to neuter it. There's no evidence that she moved on to greener pastures not under her own volition, and with a greater vision than sitting as a chief for an agency that will be obstructed for years.
RC
(25,592 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)They would've subpoenaed her every other week, for years. Rather than sit and wait for the American people to elect sane politicians, she decided to get elected herself.
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No, what they want to do is they just want to slow this thing up. They want to find another way to see if they can complicate it and keep it from moving forward and mire it in fighting. Let me be clear: There are more restrictions on this agency than any of the other banking regulators. We already have restrictions on our budget that none of the others have. Were subject to a veto. No other agency, so far as I know, in government who can be vetoed by other agencies.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/07/exit-interview-elizabeth-warren-im-not-through-throwing-rocks/
This is a woman who is a fighter and I'm tired of people speaking for Warren.
She might've wanted it.
In the end she did not want it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Oh, the irony.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Please spare me.
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I dont know. I mean, its a hard question. Ill just put it this way. I threw rocks before I ever got to this town and Im not through throwing rocks now. So if therere folks who dont like what I do, so be it, but Im still ready to fight.
This is not a woman scorn by Obama, this is a woman agitated by the obstructionists in Congress, and who, when totally thrown into the political game, decided she was going to get back at them in the best way possible.
Run for Senate.
Run for Presidency.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)they will obstruct them??? So we appoint people that they like?
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...was very much obstructed, in every way imaginable. She could've dealt with the nomination, that's no big deal. She had already spent all that time dealing with the obstructionists. But she wanted to continue fighting on the other side, as a politician as opposed to an obstructed agency head.
Appoint whoever you want.
Don't be annoyed when the person who built the agency and who spent many hours a day trying to get things done but was obstructed at every move decides they don't want to run it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)trouble the republicons would have caused. If I misunderstood, I apologize. My point is that we should keep good people out of positions just because the republicons dont like it. In fact that's when we should do it.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)She might've said that she actually did want to run it, personally, I can give that to anyone who wants her to have been running it, but I suspect she was given the option that she could run for Senate, and she said, "You know what, let's do it." Her Exploratory Committee was launched a whole month after the CFPB was launched. In political time frames that is very short. She had already made that decision before Cordray got the nod, you don't run a Senatorial campaign lightly, it wasn't as if "Oh, I'm not picked, I'll run for Senate." In fact, she had hinted, when Cordray was nominated, that she was going to run a Senate campaign:
In the weeks ahead, I want to hear from you about the challenges we face and how we get our economy growing again. I also want to hear your ideas about how we can fix what all of us regardless of party know is a badly broken political system. In Washington, I saw up close and personal how much influence special interests have over our law-making, and I saw just how hard it is for families to be heard. I want to hear your thoughts about how we can make sure that our voices our families, our friends, and our neighbors are heard again.
We have a lot of work to do in our commonwealth and our country. We need to rebuild our economy family by family and block by block. We need to create new jobs and to fix our broken housing market. We need to make sure that there is real accountability over Wall Street and that the greed and recklessness that created the last financial crisis do not create the next one. We need to restore the hope of a secure retirement and the promise of a good education. We need to stop measuring our economy by profits and executive compensation at our largest companies and start measuring it by how many families can stand securely in the middle class.
I am glad to be back home. And Im looking forward to discussing with you what we can accomplish together.
That was about 2 weeks after Cordray was picked, around two weeks later she launched her campaign. Again, in political time frames this is a very short period of time, for her to just have made that decision. It was well planned and orchestrated.
I find Warren to be a fighter, and I think she sat down, saw what her options were, and decided that ultimately she didn't want to have to deal with the headaches of having a neutered organization that had to have its hand held. Her rhetoric after she stepped down from the agency (the very agency that she built) is very strong, she's going to "keep throwing rocks," as she said.
So I'm not convinced that her path in life is not a chosen path, that she purposefully and willingly chose on her own volition.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)People sure have selective knowledge.
Guess that's what you have to do to hold a grudge.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)it messes with their righteous indignation.
Sid
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lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)ecstatic
(32,677 posts)Lisa D
(1,532 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)With the butt muscles slammed shut like powerful steel traps. Look, you can't convince extremists, regardless of extreme Left or extreme Right.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'm not sure how running for the Senate once unemployed demonstrates her not wanting to run CFPB.
JI7
(89,244 posts)Dewey Finn
(176 posts)Unless some people I can think of...
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)&feature=related
Dewey Finn
(176 posts)"never an unspoken thought" equals "not shy"?
Next time you think a light bulb has gone on over your head, check again. It might just be a tiny balloon full of hot air.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...and she is more suited toward a Senatorial and finally a Presidential run in 2016. Her road map is not being a Bureau Chief who would be neutered by a right wing congress when we gave it to her.
I'm tired of this paternalist view of what Warren did or did not want to do. It's so obvious that this strong, powerful woman wants to make a difference in this country, and those who keep wanting her to have been Bureau Chief are just tearing her down.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Talk about paternalistic views... sheesh...
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)You're just not listening and trying to tell everyone else what she wanted to do when you have no evidence for it. Because she didn't not say she wanted it that means she wanted it! Who cares if everyone in her political circles said she didn't want it!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)There is no telling us what she wanted to do, because she did it.
http://elizabethwarren.com/
You can try to convince us all day and all night that she wanted to sit on an agency that was being obstructed and neutered, I'm not buying that. She's a fighter!
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)would love to see her send Scotty packing
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)be another VCIW* like Bernie and Kucinich. However, she's got big brains, big heart, big spine, and big mouth - the whole enchilada - so I suspect that she'll kick the living crap out of knaves, like she did to Timmy Geithner, instead of just whining about them. And the only folks who'll be able to fire her our the good people of out Commonwealth, and we *like* FDR Democrats, so she'll be safe.
*Voice Crying In the Wind
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)A fella can't be happy and amused at the same time?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I'll give you that much.
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)You know, before the president pulled off a recess appointment with the senate not technically in recess. That way you wouldn't have the facts to massively undercut your case. Just a tip.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Having a "BIG STEAMING CUP OF REALITY".
Gotta love Manny.
He tries.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)But a bit too dry, sorry.
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)Whenever I try to get witty on the internet, this happens. You'd think I would have learned by now.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)slay
(7,670 posts)otherwise i would have had to have yelled at you.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... a new 2012 Manufactured Outrage Widget, fresh off the assembly line !!!!
Lisa D
(1,532 posts)little ball of fur;
Happy kitty, sleepy kitty,
Purr, Purr, Purr.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said Purrists.
JohnnyRingo
(18,623 posts)People should generally be happy with that fact.
I know there was a time Obama wouldn't make this move for the apparent want of bipartisan cooperation on other issues, but it seems to most he's reaching the end of an all too long rope in that endeavor.
I suppose it could be taken at face value that President Obama is taking partisan action to accomplish long awaited government business, or maybe one can take the cynical view that he either purposely smited Ms Warren at the time, or is using this (and other appointments) to gain inner-party support going into an election year.
The end result in either case is that Obama has stood up to a recalcitrant republican minority to get his job done for the people. Complaining about that seems a bit petty.
On edit:
I reread the intent of the original post and see the sarcastic prose, but still had fun composing a wordy reply that I'll feel free to cut & paste into the inevitable future outrage post. LOL.
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)He's a reasonable enough choice, but can't hold a candle to her.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)Honestly, one could make the argument that in terms of actually cracking down on financial abuses, Warren can't hold a candle to him.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)He has a track record, and was Warren's choice to head the agency.
Just because some here don't know anything about him, doesn't mean he has no accomplishments under his belt.
Hell, even the asshole Republicans blocking his appointment said he was extremely qualified.
Dewey Finn
(176 posts)and it still wouldn't be good enough for some. Ms. Warren was very enthusiastic about the choice. Maybe you should pay more attention to her opinions and less to the cartoon you seem to want to make of her.
JohnnyRingo
(18,623 posts)He's no stranger around here, and he's more than able to serve consumers.
Cordray is a five time undefeated Jeopardy champion who took on and won billion dollar cases against Bank Of America and AIG. Can your candidate do that? LOL.
It's really silly to try and bash Obama by calling Rich Cordray weak. Find something else.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thank you for making fun of my handicap.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...no basis in reality.
WARREN 2012!
Missy Vixen
(16,207 posts)Can't wait to read your dazzling rebuttal.
Oh - you didn't write one?
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...having to put up with right wing obstructionists for years.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)So she opted to change the system from another angle. And so did Obama.
Win-win, I'd say.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...those bastards tooth and nail. Just go back and watch the Oversight Committee hearings. They were rude, despicable trolls. I think she had the strength to continue, but when push came to shove she decided her ability to effect change was in the Senate, not as a chief of an organization that was neutered to death.
onenote
(42,675 posts)And kind of enjoy it.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Just as there was no way to appoint Goodwin Liu.
"NO WAY. The REPUBLICANS would have BLOCKED IT. "
You're confusing the fact that Republicans did block it with the reality that they left a window open probably misled by the idea that he had already been given a vote on the Senate floor and his confirmation blocked, something that they never allowed with Warren.
Still, for you and everyone enjoying this alleged gotcha moment.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)And we're for Cordray BTW.