Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu May 2, 2019, 05:26 AM May 2019

37 Years Ago Today; A Pearl Harbor Survivor is sunk by the Royal Navy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano


ARA General Belgrano underway

ARA General Belgrano was an Argentine Navy light cruiser in service from 1951 until 1982.

Originally commissioned by the U.S. as USS Phoenix, she saw action in the Pacific theatre of World War II before being sold by the United States Navy to Argentina. The vessel was the second to have been named after the Argentine founding father Manuel Belgrano (1770–1820). The first vessel was a 7,069-ton armoured cruiser completed in 1896.

She was sunk on 2 May 1982 during the Falklands War by the Royal Navy submarine Conqueror with the loss of 323 lives. Losses from General Belgrano totalled just over half of Argentine military deaths in the war.

She is the only ship to have been sunk during military operations by a nuclear-powered submarine and the second sunk in action by any type of submarine since World War II, the first being the Indian frigate INS Khukri, which was sunk by the Pakistani submarine PNS Hangor during the 1971 Indo-Pakistani War.

Early Career

Phoenix at Pearl Harbor in 1941

The warship was built as USS Phoenix, the sixth ship of the Brooklyn-class cruiser design, in Camden, New Jersey, by the New York Shipbuilding Corporation starting in 1935, and launched in March 1938. She survived the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 undamaged, and went on to earn nine battle stars for World War II service. At the end of the war, she was placed in reserve at Philadelphia on 28 February 1946, decommissioned on 3 July that year and remained laid up at Philadelphia.

Phoenix was sold to Argentina in October 1951 and renamed 17 de Octubre after the "People's Loyalty day", an important symbol for the political party of the then-president Juan Perón. Sold with her was another of her class, the USS Boise, renamed ARA Nueve de Julio, which was withdrawn in 1977.

17 de Octubre was one of the main naval units that joined the 1955 coup in which Perón was overthrown, and was renamed General Belgrano after General Manuel Belgrano, who founded the Escuela de Náutica (School of Navigation) in 1799 and had fought for Argentine independence from 1811 to 1819. General Belgrano accidentally rammed her sister ship Nueve de Julio on exercises in 1956, which resulted in damage to both. General Belgrano was outfitted with the Sea Cat anti-aircraft missile system between 1967 and 1968.

<snip>

Sinking
After the 1982 invasion of the Falkland Islands, on 2 April 1982 Britain declared a Maritime Exclusion Zone (MEZ) of 200 nautical miles around the Falkland Islands within which any Argentine warship or naval auxiliary entering the MEZ might be attacked by British nuclear-powered submarines (SSN).

On 23 April, the British Government clarified in a message that was passed via the Swiss Embassy in Buenos Aires to the Argentine government that any Argentine ship or aircraft that was considered to pose a threat to British forces would be attacked.

On 30 April this was upgraded to the total exclusion zone, within which any sea vessel or aircraft from any country entering the zone might be fired upon without further warning. The zone was stated to be "...without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in exercise of its right of self-defence, under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter." The concept of a total exclusion zone was a novelty in maritime law; the Law of the Sea Convention had no provision for such an instrument. Its purpose seems to have been to increase the amount of time available to ascertain whether any vessel in the zone was hostile or not. Regardless of the uncertainty of the zone's legal status it was widely respected by the shipping of neutral nations.

The Argentine military junta began to reinforce the islands in late April when it was realised that the British Task Force was heading south. As part of these movements, Argentine Naval units were ordered to take positions around the islands. Two Task Groups designated 79.1, which included the aircraft carrier ARA Veinticinco de Mayo plus two Type 42 destroyers, and 79.2, which included three Exocet missile armed Drummond-class corvettes, both sailed to the north. General Belgrano had left Ushuaia in Tierra del Fuego on 26 April. Two destroyers, ARA Piedra Buena and ARA Hipólito Bouchard (also ex-USN vessels) were detached from Task Group 79.2 and together with the tanker YPF Puerto Rosales, joined General Belgrano to form Task Group 79.3.

By 29 April, the ships were patrolling the Burdwood Bank, south of the islands. On 30 April, General Belgrano was detected by the British nuclear-powered hunter-killer submarine Conqueror. The submarine approached over the following day. On 1 May 1982, Admiral Juan Lombardo ordered all Argentine naval units to seek out the British task force around the Falklands and launch a "massive attack" the following day. General Belgrano, which was outside and to the south-west of the exclusion zone, was ordered south-east.

Lombardo's signal was intercepted by British Intelligence. As a result, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and her War Cabinet, meeting at Chequers the following day, agreed to a request from Admiral Terence Lewin, the Chief of the Defence Staff, to alter the rules of engagement and allow an attack on General Belgrano outside the exclusion zone. Although the group was outside the British-declared total exclusion zone of 370 km (200 nautical miles) radius from the islands, the British decided that it was a threat. After consultation at Cabinet level, Thatcher agreed that Commander Chris Wreford-Brown should attack General Belgrano.

At 15:57 (Falkland Islands Time)[N 1] on 2 May, Conqueror fired three 21 inch Mk 8 mod 4 torpedoes (conventional, non-guided, torpedoes), each with an 805-pound (363 kg) Torpex warhead. While Conqueror was also equipped with the newer Mark 24 Tigerfish homing torpedo, there were doubts about its reliability. Initial reports from Argentina claimed that Conqueror fired two Tigerfish torpedoes on General Belgrano. Two of the three torpedoes hit General Belgrano. According to the Argentine government, General Belgrano's position was 55°24′S 61°32′WCoordinates: 55°24′S 61°32′W.

One of the torpedoes struck 10 to 15 metres (33 to 49 ft) aft of the bow, outside the area protected by either the ship's side armour or the internal anti-torpedo bulge. This blew off the ship's bow, but the internal torpedo bulkheads held and the forward powder magazine for the 40 mm gun did not detonate. It is believed that none of the ship's company were in that part of the ship at the time of the explosion.

The second torpedo struck about three-quarters of the way along the ship, just outside the rear limit of the side armour plating. The torpedo punched through the side of the ship before exploding in the aft machine room. The explosion tore upward through two messes and a relaxation area called "the Soda Fountain" before finally ripping a 20-metre-long hole in the main deck. Later reports put the number of deaths in the area around the explosion at 275 men. After the explosion, the ship rapidly filled with smoke. The explosion also damaged General Belgrano's electrical power system, preventing her from putting out a radio distress call. Though the forward bulkheads held, water was rushing in through the hole created by the second torpedo and could not be pumped out because of the electrical power failure. In addition, although the ship should have been "at action stations", she was sailing with the water-tight doors open.

The ship began to list to port and to sink towards the bow. Twenty minutes after the attack, at 16:24, Captain Bonzo ordered the crew to abandon ship. Inflatable life rafts were deployed, and the evacuation began without panic.


General Belgrano, sinking

The two escort ships were unaware of what was happening to General Belgrano, as they were out of touch with her in the gloom and had not seen the distress rockets or lamp signals. Adding to the confusion, the crew of Bouchard felt an impact that was possibly the third torpedo striking at the end of its run (an examination of the ship later showed an impact mark consistent with a torpedo). The two ships continued on their course westward and began dropping depth charges. By the time the ships realised that something had happened to General Belgrano, it was already dark and the weather had worsened, scattering the life rafts.

Argentine and Chilean ships rescued 772 men in all from 3 to 5 May. In total, 323 were killed in the attack: 321 members of the crew and two civilians who were on board at the time.

</snip>


12 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
37 Years Ago Today; A Pearl Harbor Survivor is sunk by the Royal Navy (Original Post) Dennis Donovan May 2019 OP
More than 300 men died for a bunch of tinhorn dictators. Archae May 2019 #1
As an Englishman bluecollar2 May 2019 #2
Spoken like a true colonial Tarc May 2019 #4
I would have spoken bluecollar2 May 2019 #5
This is why we kicked you out Tarc May 2019 #6
Actually bluecollar2 May 2019 #7
Doesn't matter what the reason was, getting colonials out of the Americas was the goal Tarc May 2019 #9
You do realize that melm00se May 2019 #12
at the last polling melm00se May 2019 #8
1,514 colonial descendants that should have been expelled Tarc May 2019 #10
To leave the island uninhabited, as they were before the colonial era? muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #11
This post makes me feel really old. n/t rzemanfl May 2019 #3

Archae

(46,311 posts)
1. More than 300 men died for a bunch of tinhorn dictators.
Thu May 2, 2019, 06:43 AM
May 2019

The Argentine "government" invaded and seized the Falkland islands in a desperate attempt to divert from internal trouble, most notably those arrested and "disappeared," tortured and then taken by helicopter far out to sea and dumped.

Not to mention all the children snatched from those arrested, and given to the wealthy and well-connected.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
5. I would have spoken
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:25 AM
May 2019

Differently if Argentina had sought the input of the Falklanders prior to their occupation.

Thanks for playing.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
6. This is why we kicked you out
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:27 AM
May 2019

A shame the rest of the Americas had varying luck ridding themselves of the Euros.


bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
7. Actually
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:31 AM
May 2019

You "kicked us out" because you resented having to pay taxes for troops garrisoned in America.

Again, thanks for playing.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
9. Doesn't matter what the reason was, getting colonials out of the Americas was the goal
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:32 AM
May 2019

I wish we had armed and assisted Argentina back then.

And now, welcome to the block list.

melm00se

(4,988 posts)
12. You do realize that
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:48 AM
May 2019

your argument could apply to any non-indigenous people in North America...including you.

Yeah yeah, I know "Welcome to the block list".

melm00se

(4,988 posts)
8. at the last polling
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:32 AM
May 2019

the Falkland Island residents only 3 of the 1517 eligible voters said they wanted to change and become part of Argentina (that is a 99%+ who want to stay at part of the UK).

muriel_volestrangler

(101,294 posts)
11. To leave the island uninhabited, as they were before the colonial era?
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:57 AM
May 2019

That seems a poor reason to violate the inhabitants' rights.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»37 Years Ago Today; A Pea...