Newest NPR Marist Poll has impeachment of Trump (39%) near impeachment of Nixon (43%) for

[uponit7771]

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...similar time during process.

ANOTHER reason against impeachment knocked down ...

5/1 NPR|Marist poll - https://www.npr.org/2019/05/01/718710736/poll-most-democrats-back-impeachment-hearings-a-move-thats-unpopular-overall

Article from CNN last years polling of Red Don being near Nixon impeachment levels

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/impeach-trump-nixon-support-bill-clinton-poll/index.html

What makes it remarkable is that he's on par with President Richard Nixon, who 43% of Americans said should be impeached and removed from office in a March 1974 Harris poll. That was after the scale of Watergate came to light, but months before the House started to move against Nixon, who would go on to resign in August 1974 rather than be impeached.

We're ... NEAR ... the same spot; the SCOPE of what Russia and Red Don did together has been outlined and it's before the house has moved against Benedict Donald and the Kremlin KKKlan.

I do agree this is a different time ... Red Don is ... NOT ... as popular as Nixon and the substance of the impeachment is more than break into dem headquarters or two consenting adults. It's about Red Don working with a hostile foreign government to win the 2016 election and intimating up and down last week that Red Don and Russia will do such in 2020.

If dems are wanting to wait to start proceedings till the election seasons begin for max impact I can understand that ... I'll wait.

I would just like to hear something like that ... SMARTLY ... outlined.

Right now Benedict Donald and the Kremlin KKKlan is using subpoenas as toilet paper and could care less about the law.

EDIT: To those who proffer this time its different ... you're right; this time it's ... WORSE ... for the president than Nixon

1. Nixon refused to give up the tapes in 73 and by 74 people were sick of him. Red Don is near Nixon impeachment numbers WITHOUT the tapes.

2. There was no FAUX News in 74, even ... WITH ... FAUX, SM and Winger Wold News the impeachment numbers are 4 points away from Nixon ... that's still worse than Nixon faced.

3. Red Don's polling numbers are no where near Nixon's throughout Nixon's second term. Red Don is historically unpopular.

[duforsure]

1. These numbers will quickly rise a lot higher as more comes out exposing them all ,

Especially against trump and Barr.

[uponit7771]

2. +1, if Dems want to drag things out then impeach for maximum impact I can understand that

... but there's no way they're going to get headway on investigation if all Red Don et al is going to do is stonewall till Red Don is elected again with Russia's help

[Cosmocat]

15. ehh

Everyone knows who and what he is right now, its just that over 1/3 of the country has been helpless brainwashed to hate the evil liberal to the points where having a completely ammoral, scumbag POS meglomaniac as POTUS is perfectly fine as long as he he has an R next to his name, and a sizeable margin beyond that thinks "they are both the same" to the point where they just don't care.

[FBaggins]

3. "For similar time during process" is pretty ridiculous

Unless you can tell us that there's a tape out there of Trump telling his chief of staff to collude with the Russians.

[uponit7771]

6. You're right, the time in the Harris poll is after Nixon tapes were refused. Dems don't need a Nixon

... Tape situation to be only 4 points away.

You're right, its .... WORSE ... for red don

[FBaggins]

9. You're clearly missing the point

Neither 39 nor 43 percent means anything when virtually all of those people already opposed him and would love to see him go. In Nixon’s case, there was future proof of criminality to come... we can hope for that in this case, but can’t know that it’s coming

[uponit7771]

10. Congress didn't know that before impeachment proceedings started in 74 and the public

... was at 43%

We're at 39% now and there has been no tapes at all ...

Red Don's numbers are empirically worse than Nixon's on multiple fronts including impeachment

[FBaggins]

14. You're still not getting it

There either is or there is not something like those tape out there. If there is... then it doesn’t matter how close or far away from Nixon’s numbers he is, because the polls will rapidly change.

If there isn’t? Then it doesn’t matter because the polls will never move far enough... even if they’re currently close to where Nixon was at a given time.

The common assumption here was that Mueller’s report would be that trigger. It wasn’t . The Congressional investigation might bear fruit, but until it does his current poll numbers relative to Nixon are a distraction.

[uponit7771]

16. For proceedings there ... IS ... enough of something like the tapes. Again, we're 4 points away

... from starting .... PROCEEDINGS .... just like in 74

I'm not understanding how this is being missed unless you're focused on the vote itself, ... I'm not.

I'm focused on starting the .... proceedings ... which include the investigations and the powers that we get under them.

tia

[FBaggins]

20. I'm not focused on the vote itself.

I'm focused on your "similar point in the process"

We aren't on a bobsled run where you can say "Hey... we're ahead of the pace of last year's winner on this track!".

At this point, we don't know what track we're on or even which sport we're watching.

Trump's current approval numbers are virtually identical to Reagan's at the same point in his first term (and have been so for almost a year). Shall we draw conclusions from that?

[uponit7771]

22. Neither did congress in 74 but they started proceedings anyway, Nixon's approvals were better .

... than RayGuns or Trumps or Clinton's at one time in his presidency.

So yes, we should draw conclusions on that ... start impeachment process because POLITICALLY not only is Red Don historically unpopular person but the impeachment numbers are close to Nixon's ... WITHOUT TAPES ... and anything on top of what dems dig up is going to further Red Don's unpopularity.

Factually, ... there's little to no reasons politically NOT to impeach.

[Cosmocat]

17. I would further your point

Even if a tape DID exist, it would not not matter to about 35% of the country, because they don't give a shit what an R does, including the truly unimaginable, because LIBERALS!!!!!

[uponit7771]

21. +1

[TreasonousBastard]

4. All of this is true, but the one thing missing is...

the public outcry over the tapes. That was the tipping point that woke up the public and destroyed the united Republican support of Nixon.

While there's tons of lip service about "The American People" the simple fact is that most of them really don't care much about all of this. What will really get impeachment moving is the same thing that got Nixon's moving-- the fear in Congress that if they continued to support the President they could lose their jobs.

Graham, McConnell and the rest of these soul-less cretins will do a quick 180 as soon as the smoking gun that turns their people shows up. When it does, I doubt the tangerine turdlicker will have the brains or balls to listen and do the right thing.

[uponit7771]

7. Then that goes TOWARDS impeachment of Trump, Nixon needed tapes to get to 43% and dems

... just needed the Mueller report

[NewJeffCT]

5. The difference, however

is that back in 1973 and 1974, there was no

Twitter
No other social media like Facebook, Instagram, etc
No Fox News
No One America
No Sinclair Broadcasting
Right Wing Radio was around, but had a much smaller reach and was generally less outrageous
Most newspapers were not owned by right wing extremists like they are now. Most major cities had both a liberal leaning and a conservative leaning newspaper.

[uponit7771]

8. Even with all of that we're 4 points away from same numbers as Nixon without the Nixon tapes !!

I just looked it up, March 74 Nixon refused to turn over tapes and it went to USSC ...

We're 4 points away and there are no tapes ... that goes in favor of impeachment of Red Don

[Cosmocat]

18. The point is

that he could go on a live air broadcast and use puppies to smother infant human beings and about 1/3 of the country will care less because LIBERALS!!!

[uponit7771]

19. +1, Hitler had around 24% also ... there will always be sycophants those should be factored into

... the equation.

In this case Red Don doesn't have "tapes" and people are sick of him already

[triron]

11. It would be much higher if Americans paid attention.

[uponit7771]

13. 80% of Americans and a majority of Republicans want the Full Report Released, I think people

... are paying attention after the numerous polls that were in the 80s.

The issue is dems never made a Nixon Tape issue out of the Mueller report, I think they would've paid more attention.

But now we have to up the stakes ... inherent contempt, start putting them in jail

[Maru Kitteh]

12. And this is BEFORE we've even gotten started with meaningful hearings.

Let's go.

[uponit7771]

23. +1, this is the point I'm making above ... this is WITHOUT tapes. It was 43% with Nixon when Nixon

... wouldn't give up the tapes.