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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Thu May 2, 2019, 06:33 PM May 2019

Bone chilling terrifying CNN analysis: Congress can't stop Trump now

They sent this to my IPhone this morning. Just checking alerts now:

Donald Trump was right: He can get away with almost anything -- a factor that is likely to mean an even more unchained presidency over the next 18 months.


This makes me want to scream and HURL! Posting this only so that DU can tell me why this is wrong and make me feel better. He does look like the typical fat and ugly GOP asshole like Barr, which gives me some hope though that he is just a stooge (Collinson)

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/02/politics/donald-trump-william-barr-congress/index.html
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Bone chilling terrifying CNN analysis: Congress can't stop Trump now (Original Post) NewsCenter28 May 2019 OP
This ship has sailed playaseeker May 2019 #1
if it should turn out that way, we'd have that 1/3rd of the population backing it, anarch May 2019 #5
I think it's more like 10% are his true stalwarts Blues Heron May 2019 #8
We need to quit MFM008 May 2019 #40
It's a guy's opinion, and you know what they say about opinions: The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #2
The last sentence in this opinion piece; trump 'stand on 5th Ave shoot someone and get away with it' empedocles May 2019 #3
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one May 2019 #28
Maybe we should waste some more time waiting for "good Republicans"... doompatrol39 May 2019 #4
Calm down and focus on what we can do. Big Blue Marble May 2019 #6
This. My bones aren't in the least chilled, Hortensis May 2019 #7
It may have to get Berlin and Nazi Germany circa 1945 bad NewsCenter28 May 2019 #9
Why bring such negativity to your arugments? Big Blue Marble May 2019 #14
The polls consistently show trump's popularity with Repub voters at 90%. What center? nt albacore May 2019 #19
There is variation in the Trump numbers. Big Blue Marble May 2019 #21
I try to stay positive... albacore May 2019 #22
Trump voters are not a monolith. Big Blue Marble May 2019 #24
You're right. I really need to be more positive NewsCenter28 May 2019 #34
What can we do, exactly? tinrobot May 2019 #15
Anyway we look at this situation, Big Blue Marble May 2019 #18
It can't? Democrats have only held the House since January, and the House... TreasonousBastard May 2019 #10
LOL. The CNN people were probably salivating at the chance for this OPINION click bait. PSPS May 2019 #11
+1 -K&R onetexan May 2019 #26
My hope is that the states can reign him in. dmr May 2019 #12
Reign vs rein. cwydro May 2019 #25
Lol, thanks, and I knew that, too! dmr May 2019 #42
If it really is that bad, the Dems should go scorched earth. Baitball Blogger May 2019 #13
El pueblo unido struggle4progress May 2019 #16
So does that mean don't bother to vote Norbert May 2019 #17
Here's the thing. We all already know how fucked up shit is right now SlogginThroughIt May 2019 #20
The "folks who don't know yet" are really the "folks who don't care, ever." VOX May 2019 #36
Especially since some of the corporate media help him eleny May 2019 #23
And you know he will try to rig the 2020 election. Kablooie May 2019 #27
Yep. We're ready to fall. StevieM May 2019 #30
+1, people are whistling past the graveyard on this issue near and far uponit7771 May 2019 #31
I believe there will be a leak before long. Grasswire2 May 2019 #29
Nancy can't stop them alone RandySF May 2019 #32
The more unchained the Con gets the better... pbmus May 2019 #33
I think we are kidding ourselves if we don't think Trump will continue to get worse, Doodley May 2019 #35
Never underestimate the power of a bunch of leftyladyfrommo May 2019 #37
This MFM008 May 2019 #41
K&R Kurt V. May 2019 #38
garbage opinion to gather viewership/readers.... beachbum bob May 2019 #39
Isn't it something how the Democrats are afraid to seek justice because it might create divisions... Baitball Blogger May 2019 #43

playaseeker

(59 posts)
1. This ship has sailed
Thu May 2, 2019, 06:39 PM
May 2019

I think we all underestimated Trump. He is a world class buffoon, but also a world class crook. Sort of an idiot savant of evil. He, along with a few hand picked stalwarts inside the GOP, have effectively pulled off a coup and overthrown the elected government. This action, combined with sort of a nail biting, pearl clutching response from the Democrats mean that Trump is effectively a dictator and short of the military stepping in to stop him, he might be around until he dies. If you think he will let his AG or staff members go to jail, I think you have another thing coming. Democrats will continue to scream "But he is not following the rules" while Trump gives the world the finger. And he will always be backed by an aggressive and loyal 30% of the population.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
5. if it should turn out that way, we'd have that 1/3rd of the population backing it,
Thu May 2, 2019, 07:23 PM
May 2019

and then another apathetic third of the population just watching, even if full on extermination efforts should begin on the final third. It's happened before; it's human nature...people don't want to get involved or be inconvenienced, and unless there is an effective rule of law and civil enforcement apparatus (an actual justice system, if such a thing can really exist among humans), evil people will ascend to power, mostly because they're the ones who want it the most.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
3. The last sentence in this opinion piece; trump 'stand on 5th Ave shoot someone and get away with it'
Thu May 2, 2019, 06:54 PM
May 2019

[writer notes 'slight exaggeration] - gives the whole piece the tacky ending that it deserves, . . . [imo].

 

doompatrol39

(428 posts)
4. Maybe we should waste some more time waiting for "good Republicans"...
Thu May 2, 2019, 06:58 PM
May 2019

...or "Republicans of conscience" or whatever you call these unicorns. I'm sure they are just right around the corner.

Big Blue Marble

(5,067 posts)
6. Calm down and focus on what we can do.
Thu May 2, 2019, 07:24 PM
May 2019

He is stating the obvious. The House singularly can do nothing directly to stop Trump.
The best hope is that in the next year, they effectively weaken his support among his
shakier voters. That facts may still matter to at least some of these Republican loyalists.
And remember it will not take many. If his support weakens, watch the elected rats
start to leave the ship. The whole thing is a shaky coalition.

This is not to deny that we are as a nation on very dangerous ground. But we already
know this; we live with it everyday. It is a time to be brave and be focused.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. This. My bones aren't in the least chilled,
Thu May 2, 2019, 07:32 PM
May 2019

but maybe that’s because I’ve suspected/known what they’re up to increasingly over time.

It’s a necessary step for it to get so bad that people start understanding. Even icy bones are a good sign. I thought we were going to stop them in 2016.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
9. It may have to get Berlin and Nazi Germany circa 1945 bad
Thu May 2, 2019, 07:50 PM
May 2019

For the magats to finally wake up, but by that time, Russian troops will be patrolling the streets of DC and it’ll be too late for even the Magats. By that time, the Magats probably would have killed off anyone except for the blonde-hair blue eyes so at least it will be their problem, not ours!

Big Blue Marble

(5,067 posts)
14. Why bring such negativity to your arugments?
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:43 PM
May 2019

Some never wake up, but some will. All Republican voters are not true Magats. Notice how just the release of the Mueller Report knocked Trump's polling. It does not help us to paint such dark and dire pictures of our future. We are a more resilient people than you give us credit for being. We have a heritage of nearly 250 years and a constitutional framework that no other nation has ever had.

It is possible that the center will not hold; but it is better to build a vision of strength and
hope than to spread doubt and fear. Where would you have been in 1942 with our Pacific
Navy wiped out and Hitler dominating Europe? What vision would you have painted? Thankfully, our
parents and grandparents took the challenge to prevail rather than prematurely to call
defeat.

The threats are different; the challenges are different. This time it is our turn to face these challenges
and save our Republic. This time it starts with us.

Big Blue Marble

(5,067 posts)
21. There is variation in the Trump numbers.
Thu May 2, 2019, 11:09 PM
May 2019

With more investigations and exposure to Trump's corruption some can be peeled away.
I saw this with Nixon. It will happen again. Encourage your representatives to keep
up the investigations. Show your support. This is not the time to give up; but to
find resolve.

P.S. The center is the stability of our Republic.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
22. I try to stay positive...
Thu May 2, 2019, 11:23 PM
May 2019

..and I do everything you suggest. And doorbell. And contribute.
But.
Today's Repubs are not the Repubs of Nixon's time. Today's Repubs are radicalized, Teabag-ized, Fox-ized, and morally lobotomized. I'm not sure that ANYthing would shake their faith.

trump wasn't kidding about shooting somebody on 5th Ave.

Big Blue Marble

(5,067 posts)
24. Trump voters are not a monolith.
Fri May 3, 2019, 12:26 AM
May 2019

There are a core of supporters who would go down with the ship. There are others who when shown more openly his corruption will vote him out. Remember only 90,000 voters in four states made Trump president.

This isn’t really about positive thinking; this is about holding to our core values. It is about finding our resolve in the face of adversity. Our forefathers and foremothers were made of sterner stuff. We have that same resolve available to us. Future generations are asking us to do what our ancestors did for us. Stay strong and hold to our values to protect our Republic,

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
34. You're right. I really need to be more positive
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:08 AM
May 2019

I fully concede that. However, going back to the World War 2 analogy, final victory was, indeed, ours; but don’t forget the tremendous military and civilian suffering that was required to obtain that victory. Also, I just hope that we aren’t in a similar period as 1933-1939 in Nazi Germany right now. In short, I hope that the worst of our suffering is over whereas if this turns out like 1935 Germany, the true horrors haven’t even begun to make themselves apparent yet.

I did take a look at the polling numbers as I do once per day and was cheered by how his Quinnipiac and Yougov polls are so low, and how his average is around 41.8. As long as it stays there, I really do believe that positive vision you lay out will carry the day. Sometimes, I just get worried it won’t.

tinrobot

(10,895 posts)
15. What can we do, exactly?
Thu May 2, 2019, 10:14 PM
May 2019

Voting him out seems way too late in the process... what can be done right now?

Big Blue Marble

(5,067 posts)
18. Anyway we look at this situation,
Thu May 2, 2019, 11:01 PM
May 2019

we are late in the process as it started back in the Reagan Era (Error). We are in uncharted waters.
Our only guide is our Constitution and our inner values. As individuals, we must stay informed and committed to encouraging our Congressional reps to investigate and possibly move toward
impeachment as well as work toward the 2020 election.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
10. It can't? Democrats have only held the House since January, and the House...
Thu May 2, 2019, 07:51 PM
May 2019

holds the purse strings.

Future budget battles will be interesting.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
12. My hope is that the states can reign him in.
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:08 PM
May 2019

I haven't read the link you posted yet, but I'm very worried myself, especially witnessing Barr yesterday.

Barr holds a lot of power. All those investigations Mueller fielded out -- Barr can control them. But he has no control over the states and their investigations, or how they adjudicate them.

Yup, I am worried, to the point where it makes me sick ... literally. And, scared.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
42. Lol, thanks, and I knew that, too!
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:23 PM
May 2019

Just my every day mental fart.

I want to rein in his reign.

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
16. El pueblo unido
Thu May 2, 2019, 10:18 PM
May 2019


Arise, sing! We are going to win!
Flags of unity are now advancing
and you will come marching together with me

Norbert

(6,039 posts)
17. So does that mean don't bother to vote
Thu May 2, 2019, 10:21 PM
May 2019

and let him win maybe the last presidential election we ever have.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
20. Here's the thing. We all already know how fucked up shit is right now
Thu May 2, 2019, 11:05 PM
May 2019

Here's the thing. We all already know how fucked up shit is right now and how bad it can and will get. It's the folks that don't know yet that are in for a world of shit when the idea of the United States is left smoldering. Yeah it is going to suck for everyone but when folks have their "and then they came for me" moment it is going to hit hard.

Buckle up, work hard and hope like hell we can get this train back on track. There's no quick fix on this.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
36. The "folks who don't know yet" are really the "folks who don't care, ever."
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:02 AM
May 2019

They can’t get enough of their Neanderthal figurehead; for them, etc he can do NO wrong. If one ever undertook the loathsome task of looking at RW websites, or watching the vile prime-time Hannity for even a few moments, one can grasp how vast the divide really is. Republicans would LOVE to have a right-wing fascist dictator who “punishes the libs.” That’s how simple-minded and cul-tlike they’ve become.

it’s all there in plain sight: EVERYTHING, every Republican-hatched screw-ups and firings are also very telling.

But whenever things go south, the blame is projected onto the ”lunatic socialist Democrats” and pronto. It’s as evergreen a right-wing trope can be.



Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
27. And you know he will try to rig the 2020 election.
Fri May 3, 2019, 02:49 AM
May 2019

If he can get away with anything of course he'll do it.
And it will help Republicans so they won't complain.

America is really on the verge of disappearing as a democracy.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
30. Yep. We're ready to fall.
Fri May 3, 2019, 03:05 AM
May 2019

And Trump is by no means the only one to blame. Republicans like Scott Walker and Paul Ryan have certainly shown that they have utter contempt for democracy.

Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
29. I believe there will be a leak before long.
Fri May 3, 2019, 03:01 AM
May 2019

And I don't believe that Mueller will let the republic go under simply because he has a code of silence.

I really don't.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
33. The more unchained the Con gets the better...
Fri May 3, 2019, 03:39 AM
May 2019

He only owns his stupid fucked up name and that is all,...he owes everyone in the world millions and if he doesn’t answer the call...the world mafia will take him out faster than you can snap your fingers....anyway Mueller will strike the first nail in this boogie mans coffin real soon...

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
35. I think we are kidding ourselves if we don't think Trump will continue to get worse,
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:59 AM
May 2019

and his support won't stay where it is. His support is rock solid. A few low polls don't mean anything.

Democratic lawmakers seem unable to communicate any clear message to change his level of support, even though Trump is trying to take away their healthcare, social security, while giving to the rich. They can't even orchestrate a body blow to Barr when they get the chance to grill him.

Our only chance is 20/20 and polls that show that even Joe Biden is in single digits against Trump, show how easily this nightmare could continue for another six years, after which this will no longer look like America.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
43. Isn't it something how the Democrats are afraid to seek justice because it might create divisions...
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:27 PM
May 2019

but Republicans aren't opposed to form alliances with foreign powers to undermine the foundation this country was built on?

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