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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Fri May 3, 2019, 08:41 AM May 2019

These two sentences are Mueller "Barr-proofing" the entire obstruction case.

Barr wrongly asserted that without “collusion” there could be no obstruction cuz there would be no underlying crime.

Mueller’s report is as much a rebuttal to Barr’s whitewash as it is a rpt on Trump.





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These two sentences are Mueller "Barr-proofing" the entire obstruction case. (Original Post) kpete May 2019 OP
Lock him up!!!!!!!! TruckFump May 2019 #1
WTF! ChiTownDenny May 2019 #12
Did Barr stop the investigation? hot2na May 2019 #15
I doubt that; Mueller is a Rethuglican. nt MadDAsHell May 2019 #2
That's my thinking too. nt zentrum May 2019 #6
I would expect that Muller understands he is a citizen of the United States who happens Perseus May 2019 #8
everything the nazis did in germany was legal according to the rule of law as msongs May 2019 #16
correct, there's law and there's morality and justice onetexan May 2019 #22
Why would you expect that from him? He lied us into the Iraq War. nt MadDAsHell May 2019 #19
Which "him" are you referring to? RVN VET71 May 2019 #20
Excerpt typed out for benefit of readers and search engines Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #3
Creative pretzel logic...nt 2naSalit May 2019 #4
Obstruction won't remove trump. 1st sentence absolves him of conspiracy. That might have nailed him. Hoyt May 2019 #5
the problem with that is NewJeffCT May 2019 #9
Whatever they need to call working with Russians to throw the election, Mueller let him off. Hoyt May 2019 #11
I'm gonna wait and see before judging Mueller that harshly, FoxNewsSucks May 2019 #10
Obstruction is what they were prepared to impeach Nixon over csziggy May 2019 #17
We all -- including GOPer Senators and trump supporters -- watched him Obstruct, nothing stuck with Hoyt May 2019 #18
Hoarse is always on point. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #7
The point is moot. Ask Martha Stewart yerop May 2019 #13
And it was just an interview with the FBI when she lied. Not even under oath. Pepsidog May 2019 #14
K&R... spanone May 2019 #21

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
1. Lock him up!!!!!!!!
Fri May 3, 2019, 08:58 AM
May 2019


Treasonous orange asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday I said to a friend that I did not support the death penalty. However, I might be able to make an exception in the case of treason.

 

ChiTownDenny

(747 posts)
12. WTF!
Fri May 3, 2019, 09:59 AM
May 2019

Why not a thorough investigation? This is bullshit. Why has the American people been led to believe, for two years, that Mueller would expose to the country all criminal activity in the conduct of the 2016 campaign?

hot2na

(357 posts)
15. Did Barr stop the investigation?
Fri May 3, 2019, 11:21 AM
May 2019

ON Rachel Maddow last night she brought up that Barr has put himself and Trump in a box over this point. Did he order that Mueller shut down the investigation due to his made up rationale that if there is no underlying crime, you cannot investigate. We will find out when Mueller testifies. Fasten your seatbelts.

[link:http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/did-barr-shut-down-mueller-for-not-making-a-call-on-trump-crime-58765893912|

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
8. I would expect that Muller understands he is a citizen of the United States who happens
Fri May 3, 2019, 09:48 AM
May 2019

to support the Republican party but that his loyalty lies with the country. I would also expect him to be a proncipled man who understands that the rule of law must be observed regardless of party affiliation.

Anything besides that would make him a traitor as well.

People need to look for their passports or birth certificates and read what it says, you will never find out a wording about "citizen of the republican party" or "citizen of the Democratic party", it simply says "citizen of the United States of America" and that is the only place where loyalty should exist, other than that, that person is a fool, and a traitor.

msongs

(67,395 posts)
16. everything the nazis did in germany was legal according to the rule of law as
Fri May 3, 2019, 12:53 PM
May 2019

written by them. observing the rule of law is not necessarily honorable

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
22. correct, there's law and there's morality and justice
Fri May 3, 2019, 11:43 PM
May 2019

we need to remember that law is man made. If it is made with ill intent (to cause harm in some way directly or indirectly), it is criminal. Case in point: the separation of the immigrant children at the border. That is a gross human rights violation that this horrible administration is hell bent on inflicting on these poor desperate people on a daily basis.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,994 posts)
3. Excerpt typed out for benefit of readers and search engines
Fri May 3, 2019, 09:09 AM
May 2019

As described in Volume I, the evidence uncovered in the investigation did not establish that the President or those close to him were involved in the charged Russian computer-hacking or the active measure conspiracies, or that the President otherwise had any unlawful engagement with any Russian official. But the evidence does indicate that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or would give rise to personal or political concerns.

Volume II, page 76
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. Obstruction won't remove trump. 1st sentence absolves him of conspiracy. That might have nailed him.
Fri May 3, 2019, 09:34 AM
May 2019

Mueller -- like Fitzgerald -- let America down.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
9. the problem with that is
Fri May 3, 2019, 09:48 AM
May 2019

that there is no tangible monetary value to the email leaks by Wikileaks/Guccifer and the definition of conspiracy that Mueller had to use needs something of monetary value to be offered.

the emails were the equivalent of a massive negative ad campaign against Clinton, but the emails themselves were not of value. It's the fact that Trump, Wikileaks and the media took the email leaks and blew them up.

I think there was a thread yesterday that "aiding and abetting" is what occurred.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
10. I'm gonna wait and see before judging Mueller that harshly,
Fri May 3, 2019, 09:49 AM
May 2019

while MF45 and "those close to him" are immoral clueless idiots on so many things (governing, human decency, policy), remember the tRump cabal is basically a mob-tied criminal organization. They operate the same way. It's quite possible that MF45 and "those close to him" were able to distance themselves from the actual conspiracy and russian action enough to make prosecution difficult. Throw in the effectiveness of the obstruction, people taking the 5th, and it became impossible.

That's what saved BushCheneyCo. Lying and obstruction. Bush and MF45 then canceled the consequences for the obstructor.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
17. Obstruction is what they were prepared to impeach Nixon over
Fri May 3, 2019, 01:00 PM
May 2019

And why Nixon resigned - he knew there was unequivocal proof of obstruction.

Nixon was never implicated in the original crime of breaking into Democratic headquarters, but he certainly obstructed the investigations into that event.

There may not be proof that Trump or his campaign conspired with Russians to influence the election, but Mueller found that there is proof that Trump attempt to obstruct the investigation from firing Comey onward. Obstruction of a crime is a crime in itself, but Mueller was not allowed to recommend indicting a sitting president.

This is what Barr is continuing - the ongoing obstruction by the Trump administration. They are ALL complicit, from Trump and his cohorts in the White House to the Republican Congress that refused and refuses to investigate.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. We all -- including GOPer Senators and trump supporters -- watched him Obstruct, nothing stuck with
Fri May 3, 2019, 01:15 PM
May 2019

the ignorant white wingers. We've known he obstructed for well over a year, nothing. It isn't likely to change unless GOPers think trump will lose in 2020 and drag them down with him.

 

yerop

(89 posts)
13. The point is moot. Ask Martha Stewart
Fri May 3, 2019, 10:14 AM
May 2019

Obstruction of the law is a crime in and of itself. If you block, obstruct, lie under oath to a DA in order to protect a suspect, you can get arrested and convicted for that, whether or not the suspect turns out to be guilty. Barr's blatherings are not legally compelling.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/mar/25/martha-stewart-donald-trump-can-there-be-obstructi/




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