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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI was a jerk today.
I was in the Pick and Save grocery store in Menomonee Falls Wi, a "staunch" repub area. I was not in a good mood for several reasons, among them the fact that someone had recently flipped me off after seeing my Obama bumper stickers. Anyway, I have a sticker with a picture of a golden retriever and the words "I ride inside, dogs against Romney.com". Anyway a guy in his 60s, like me, sees it and says "at least Romney didn't eat his dog." Now if I was in my normal mood I would have said something like "people in other parts of the world eat things we would not and vice versa. They are cultural differences. I am glad we have a president who has experienced some of these cultural differences instead of a guy who has lived all his life in his own little restricted cultural bubble." That would have been a rational response to his idiocy. Instead, my response was "fuck you, wanna make something out of it?" I know I was wrong to respond this way and I'm usually not a confrontational person. But I am so sick of repub morons. Will some of the folks at DU at least tell me they know how I might have felt? That way maybe I can stop feeling ashamed of myself.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,679 posts)Except I might have said something like, "Bite me, you fat moron."
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)If someone was messing with me, as this guy was with you, I would have messed with him the same way you did. Stay the course. You did well. Commendably well, I would venture to say.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)And I AM kidding. I've often felt the urge to brain some of them--at least until I realize the futility of attempting to damage a nonexistent organ in a wingnut. I have a couple of relatives I'd like to waterboard before drowning them in Grover Norquist's bathtub.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Those morons are a bit much to bear at times.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,588 posts)He got what he deserved.
Good for you!
kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)Bullies don't like being talked back to.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)You are always going to find somebody to condone your debatably extremist thought or actions against republicans. People on DU have wished much worse on republicans, including myself. You're entitled to a slip up once in a while. Besides, he was dumb enough to open his mouth first. Don't sweat it.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Don't feel bad.
brutus smith
(685 posts)Would have been to tell him to eat shit.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... at women shoppers.
You did the right thing.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)but really... trying to actually having a discussion is like talking to a drunk... the irrationality is overwhelming
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)I wouldn't make a habit out of it, but sometimes you gotta do that stuff.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)After all, he started it. YOUR bumper stickers are none of HIS business. If he wasn't looking for trouble, he should have kept his big fat mouth shut.
mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)former-republican
(2,163 posts)I can't imagine someone doing that to a 60 year old gentleman.
I guess we grew up in different times. Was this a young man that flipped you off?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)former-republican
(2,163 posts)it's not registering
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)If anything, you were too kind.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)"What does that mean? Oh!! Do Mormons usually eat dogs? Kind of like Indians and Chinese eat dogs? Is that what you mean??"
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Rs deserve at least some blowback. They really think that solves Rmoney's dog weirdness?
I had one say he thought there was nothing wrong with what Rmoney did and I said, "Really? You'd do that to your dog? No. It would never even have occurred to you to do that to your dog."
JI7
(89,247 posts)pointed out that OBama was a kid then. and ask him why he was holding a kid to higher or same standards than a grown man.
former-republican
(2,163 posts)It's a different culture there.
Should people from India point out how wrong it is to eat at McDonald's or have a beef steak on the grill.
And then for us to counter the argument.
I don't and won't spend my time talking to idiots.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)The Republican asshole should have kept his trap shut if he wanted civility. You taught him an important lesson today.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)That helps nobody. Escalating assholity leads to blackholes and more polarization.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)has consequences you probably won't like.
He got back what he put out there, so no harm, no foul.
We can't confront assholes with a smile all the time.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Shouting obscenities at each other is a symptom of the polarization of the body politic.
Shouting obscenities is not going to solve any problems, particularly polarization, and not the problems that America faces.
Freedom to speak does not mean that all speech is equally good. Some speech is destructive, like this. The solution of course is not less speech (censorship or self-censorship) but more speech and better speech.
Drew Richards
(1,558 posts)You really are an ignorant little man of small intelligence, arn't you?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)He's a moron. So therefore it is much more satisfying to engage and then to trap the guy into cognitive dissonance so that he can see for himself just how much of a moron he is.
Yelling obscenities doesn't shake anybody's world these days.
Forgiveness is a great path to peace. Forgiveness is for yourself. You don't have to tell him you are forgiving him. Learn a little about zen and meditation to get beyond the dualities of the world that lead to both sides shouting profanities at each other.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)What if I suggested the OP practice Christian forgiveness? (People would get mad at me, that's what. And they'd be justified.)
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Here's a non-denominational, scientific-based approach from Stanford University: http://learningtoforgive.com/9-steps/
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)means that this is a "scientific-based approach from Stanford University."
I get a little annoyed when people tell me not to be angry, whether they're Buddhists or scientists. Some of us worked for years to learn to express our anger.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Of course. But it is based on scientific studies.
He and I are not saying don't get angry. Anger is sometimes a hard to avoid gut reaction. However, by being rational and calm about life, it won't control us. The point is to get beyond anger so that it doesn't need to be expressed emotionally.
Turn anger into deliberate and conscious action toward goals, which includes talking to assholes in ways that make it clear to all bystanders and the asshole himself that he is an asshole. Shouting profanty does not accomplish this. It simply informs all bystanders that there is at least one asshole there, namely the one shouting obscenities, and they almost certainly did not hear the remark that prompted it. So from their perspective it is one-sided and not a pretty sight.
valerief
(53,235 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Fight back, fuck em'!!! they want to take us back to 1860 if we don't fight
"I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!"
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RKP5637
(67,104 posts)country. Eventually people are going to really start waking up to what republicans are about. Eventually the poor and middle class republicans are going to get a clue as to how badly they're being F'ed over by these republicans they love.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:46 AM - Edit history (1)
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)sometimes you don't have a choice.
REP
(21,691 posts)Oh wait, you're the guy with bumper sticker who told the asshole to fuck off? No, you're good.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)I wish democratic politicians would just come out and tell republicans to go fuck themselves. I'm fed up with the bullshit.
panader0
(25,816 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)oh and then say " fuck you" also
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)The next time a Republican makes a mean comment about your bumpers stickers, simple reply, "Wow." "I'm just surprised you can read."
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)made me snort
Brigid
(17,621 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Fuck these racist Repug motherfuckers and their awful disrespect for our President. You'd think that after 8 years when it was taboo to even look cross-eyed at Commander Codpiece Boooosh, the Repugs cold at least muster a halfway decent one of civility in their debate. But they can't, and their choice has been to go beyond tne racist dog whistle and veer full-bore into lying goddamn bullshit, so fuck 'em.
mysuzuki2, you're all-right by me!
-app
Hells Liberal
(88 posts)You were standing up to a common bully and wise-ass. Too many of our fellow Democrats will condemn you for "stepping down to his level."
They're boneheads. Where I come from, when you give back to a bully what he gave you, that's not "stepping down," that's self defense. We only encourage their rude, disgusting behavior by being silent about it.
Some elitist types would think that you're practicing admirable self-restraint if you just kept your mouth shut and didn't say anything back to him. But, in the primitive, animalistic, reptilian mind of the average bully (which includes most repubs), your restraint is perceived as weakness. And that perception of weakness only encourages them to keep up on the attack, whether you're talking about a verbal attack or a physical one.
Sad, but true. You can't reason with a bully.
NJCher
(35,658 posts)Sad, but true. You can't reason with a bully.
It would be nice to think that a reasoned response by the OP would have made this person see the light or even think twice about his position. He will never see it from someone from our camp.
This person has "issues." In a society that supposedly values multiple points of view, it is unacceptable to accost a person who is merely expressing his right to free speech.
So mysuzuki2, even if you had managed some restraint, it really wouldn't have accomplished anything. You're right to have been concerned about your response, though. A person should generally try to be reasonable.
Cher
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)Would you comment so rudely to his bumper sticker if it said that about eating dog? He was being a jerk first, and shoudn't have expected you to cower away with your ironic tail between your legs.
I guess Hannity told him Democrats are pussies. He got what he asked for.
Hells Liberal
(88 posts)There's a lot of repubs who think that. I know because, personally, I'll only take so much shit before I say "Let's take this outside." It's funny as hell to listen to the terror in a wingnut's voice when he says "But. But. But liberals are supposed to be non-violent."
I take pride in being every right-winger's worst nightmare - an intelligent liberal, 200-plus ex-boxer, multiple black belt holder and gun nut. When they find someone that they can't intimidate, they shit their pants like any common bully.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)a perfectly fine response.
i will store your words for a rainy day.
nenagh
(1,925 posts)but in 2012 I will not be persuaded by a man in a fancy suit... with a fake tan... and probably fake hair color... to work for us? the middle class? when he has money in Swiss Banks? in the Caymen Islands?
Get real... those are tax dodges for the mega rich..
Romney tells suckers that he's running for Pres to create more jobs..He's had millions of dollars in offshore accounts for years if he really meant to promote USA jobs....... No... all the man thinks about is money...HIS money.. and all he wants is to have new laws on the books that save him and mega millionaires like him to use American resources, outsource them, bag the difference and put it into a tax-free Swiss account.
Give me a break"...
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Give me a break"...
So I could recommend and kick often!
And mysuzuki2 was right: these destructive morons will never get it, so they deserve it, especially when they ask for it.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)with these right-wing fascists, is to throw it right back at them! A good punch in the nose would have been better, but you might have ended up in jail!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)and I have tried, but cannot deal with Gumbo...so to each his own..
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)Kick back and watch the Republican Convention. It's bound to put your mind at ease.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)If someone does make that comment again, remind him that as a child we eat what is prepared for us, according to our family customs. President Obama did not cook a dog.. he ate something that was served in his household. If he was serving dog in the White House, then it would be a problem. Romney? He did that AS an adult. It was his choice. Big diff.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)you held your own. you done good.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)A jerkish blurt and a jerkish response aren't double plus good.
You can hold your own and make the Republican guy look like the asshole he is without stooping to his level. It's practically impossible to make him look like an asshole by responding with profanity. It's a lot easier if you stand your ground and make him be the one to over-react and foam at the mouth and make a disgusting scene; and it can be done without raising a voice or swearing obscenities or calling him names.
dinger130
(199 posts)You can't be nice. I tried that for years and they walk all over you. I was "done" approximately a year ago.
Keep telling it like it is. I have noticed that most of them don't expect a comeback
mainly because I'm a sixty something female.
Screw em! Go for the jugular!
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)But I wish I had the cojones you did.
pansypoo53219
(20,973 posts)you should have pointed out that obama WAS A CHILD AND ROMNEY WAS A MAN AND THAT DOG WAS HIS CHILDREN'S DOG!
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)TomClash
(11,344 posts)He is a Republican wanker. You get a pass. Remember God is dog spelled backwards.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)And you're not responsible for representing the entire Democratic party. Very few of us are ready with a brilliant speech when confronted with jaw-dropping idiocy.
ETA: In case I wasn't clear, you're TOTALLY NOT A JERK.
Cha
(297,154 posts)stupid gop talking points at the wrong time. Maybe he'll think twice the next time.. What was his reaction?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)If positions were reversed and you mouthed a DU talking point at a GOPper, and he told you "Fuck Off", you wouldn't be less like to say DU talking points.
Cha
(297,154 posts)I'd still like to know what his reaction was?
reflection
(6,286 posts)Seriously, you did fine. No quarter.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Then smack your lips.
Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)How did the asshat respond after your FU? (which I probably would have said the same thing)
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)This is what I would like to say though.
1. Obama didn't eat his dog. I am pretty sure they don't have dogs for pets and if they do I am pretty sure the ones they eat aren't pets.
2. He was a child
3. Every culture has a practice that other cultures find abhorrent.
4. This doesn't make what Romney did any better not even by comparison.
macacawitz
(19 posts)It's tough when strangers attack you. For a moment you're speechless. Then after the fact you think of something that might have been appropriate and you kick yourself. I'm glad you said what you said. When attacked with lies, hate and abject bigotry, fight back. He won't forget meeting you anytime soon. And I believe that's a good thing.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)overstepping his boundaries, pulling your chain, itching for an argument, and lying to boot. Maybe he'll think twice before opening his great big fat yammer again.
johnny156
(21 posts)If you haven't anything good to say, keep your mouth shut!!!
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)is rather common. Your conscience and regret are not those of a jerk mysuzuki2.
PBass
(1,537 posts)You could have said
"Romney's gonna have everybody eating cat food pretty soon!"
or something like that.
I do understand the frustration and desire to abandon logical replies, because they often don't work. This other guy wasn't ready for a rational discussion on the issues, so why even try to go there.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Kind of like leap year, but instead, you get to throw down the towel of toleration and let your inner jerk flag fly, baby.
The only thing I might have done differently was borrow from the line in Arthur, when hearing what he said, rub your chin with a deep thought look on your face, and respond.. "You might have a point in narrow circumstances... on the other hand, go SCREW yourself."
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts).... if he thought it would make him money.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)And, absolutely true!
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)FLyellowdog
(4,276 posts)Especially since those morons are everywhere everyday.
Our tolerance levels are going reach new lows as the election gets closer. I'm sick to death of the repugs and can't stand to be around even friends of mine who are so conservative. I try not to let it bother me, but damn....it's hard.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)eating dogs might be your only option after Romney destroys your medicare, social security, and lets the banks gamble away your pension and 401K.
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)Sorry: I don't care what side of the political divide you are on, you don't get to use physically-challenging language or adopt threatening physical postures toward those who disagree with you, solely on the basis that you are not in a "good mood."
So, yeah: to the extent this anecdote is true, you were a jerk, and should feel ashamed of your behavior.
The replies supporting you in this thread are equally egregious: were the tale reversed, and it was an aggressive Freeper acting this way toward a liberal guy "in his 60s" the screams of "threats" and "assault" and "intimidation" would be non-stop. Really disgraceful that supposed progressives are telling you that you actually did good.
mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)Maybe say something like, "He was a child you monster, you eat what is put in front of you when you are a child" Or any of the number of ideas you can come up with between now and the next time.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)after taking my Concealed Carry class I came to the realization I couldn't be like that. I had to be non-confrontational and became a much nicer person to be around. Learn from this experience and don't get down on yourself.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)You're as entitled to be a jerk as the dumbass who picked a fight with the wrong guy.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)We all have those. As a buddhist, I do believe we can control our emotions and our actions, but we are not perfect and we do make mistakes. The only advise I would give is maybe try to be aware and recognize when you are feeling frustrated or angry. When someone provokes you, take a deep breath and wait a few seconds before responding that way you say exactly what you mean to say. but don't beat yourself up over it. You can't go back in time and change what happened in this particular instance, but you can do something about how you react in future circumstances.
Grown2Hate
(2,010 posts)I was sitting in a parking lot waiting for a friend in front of a Starbucks, when some right winger sees my Obama 12 bumper sticker. My window was down, and I heard him say (just loud enough for me to hear him), "Obama sucks balls". Without even looking to see who it was (or how big he was, or what he looked like), I just stuck my head out of my window and yelled out, "HEY! Go fuck your mom!". It was pretty out of character for me, and he quickly jumped in his truck with his girlfriend and took off.
Not my proudest moment, and even I was sort of shocked at my reaction, but I think I've had it with shit talking RWingers. I'm just DONE with them. So, I was WAY jerkier than you.
Gemini Cat
(2,820 posts)The guy was an asshole. I would have done the same thing.
Raine
(30,540 posts)by that.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)He sounds like the type of puke who is accustomed to insulting strangers and bickering and such. So it's not like you made him cry, lol.
There are days I find it difficult to bite my tongue, as well.
My self-help step, to make it better, is typically to do something unexpectedly nice for someone else who needs it. I figure, karma-tically, it comes out even, if I do something nice.
brewens
(13,574 posts)sticker on my truck in Idaho for a couple of years. I actually never once had anyone give me any crap about it. I did have several encounters with people that loved it though. It could be that the people it should have pissed off the most, didn't get it. That or the fact that I'm rather large and tough looking.
brush
(53,767 posts)Way to go. They've been spewing racist stuff at the President even before he got in office so I'm glad you came back hard at him.
PD Turk
(1,289 posts)" Two things:
1. Piss up a rope and,
2. Eat shit and die
Any questions?"
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Response to mysuzuki2 (Original post)
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libodem
(19,288 posts)Ya should have just gone fist to cuffs and whooped him. (kidding, not really advocating violence)