mother fucking piece of fucking shit the Kentucky Derby DQ the winner

[demtenjeep]

what a bunch of mother fucking shit

[mobeau69]

1. 65-1 won!

Crazy stuff!

[GoCubsGo]

19. Wish I had put a bet on him.

[katmondoo]

29. I watched the Derby and with that decision showed the fix was in. Maxium Security won

not the # 20 horse

[demtenjeep]

31. yup

just like NFL giving cheaters the win by using refs...

[empedocles]

54. 65-1 has to feel good. I'm sure you didn't put the fix in either.

[mcar]

91. I won the family pool!

Picked Country House out of the hat!

[dem4decades]

2. He didn't deserve it.

[demtenjeep]

4. no he didn't but I would bet big time money was involved

probably inspired by fat donnie

[elleng]

10. Oh right, you watched the stewards making their decision, right?

[katmondoo]

30. I agree, I did not want to watch the roses put on the second place horse.

Turned it off after the fake decision was made

[demtenjeep]

33. did exactly the same thing

not watching a sham


just like this year was the first time I did not watch the Superbowl

[Stinky The Clown]

3. I agree. The "winner" was bound for the glue factory. 65-1 shot.

[Blue_true]

11. For people that love losers turn winners, that result is pure joy.

Imagine placing a big bet on that horse to even place.

[mobeau69]

13. LOL. Without the DQ he would have finished 2nd.

[Drahthaardogs]

88. He's a mudder.

Always a wildshot on a muddy track. Some horses LOVE to run in the mud. Some have bad knees or feet and run better in the mud. In fact, some horses they scratch if the track is not muddy. Some don't like to run in mud, and some like Secretariat didn't give a shit one way or another.

You can't come off the rail, cut a horse off, and bump him like that. There is no conspiracy. Just a mudder who did what mudders do and a jockey who fucked up and now a whiney rich dude going to lawyer up.

[Rhiannon12866]

5. I had the same reaction!

[Hoyt]

6. Don't know about that call. Used to ride my grandparent's cow, but . . . . . .

[democratisphere]

16. Bovine Derby?

[dem4decades]

7. Well that just took the shit out of horse racing for the rest of the year.

[demtenjeep]

8. no fucking way there will be a triple crown this year

bet Maximum Security goes on to win the Preakness and Belmont just to give horse racing the middle finger!

[dem4decades]

9. The 1 horse was possibly better that the 7 but both were better than the 20.

[elleng]

12. Yes

[CTyankee]

15. You have to fall in love a little bit with such a gorgeous horse...

I love the Bays. They are elegant.

I feel sad for Max and his rider and owner. Usually, I have a lot of contempt for the owner and some contempt for the whole spectacle. But this was just very, very sad...

[dem4decades]

24. I agree while whole heartedly. Tough to take.

[Journeyman]

27. I think the 2 dozen dead horses at Santa Anita did more to dim racing's patina this year . . .

[Susan Calvin]

77. Yep.

[liberalhistorian]

14. Why was Maximum Security

disqualified? I just got a news alert from WaPo, but no info yet as to why.

[demtenjeep]

23. he got spooked a tiny bit in the turn

and edged over but it really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. The jockey had not one speck of dirt on him in a very sloppy track


someone with money threw a fit and got his way. There is going to be a LOT of issues with this.

[katmondoo]

32. Yes! I hope this will be challenged

[mobeau69]

35. Good luck getting all that cash back.

[Captain Zero]

103. yup

[Bantamfancier]

48. That's not even close to the facts.

He was leading the entire race. ( like you said, not a speck of mud) they turned for home and he moved out to cut off the others closing in on him. Then he went back to the rail to block the horse coming up on the left. The horse he cut off was hit on the leg twice and had to pull up.

That horse wasn’t reacting to the crowd. He was doing what his rider asked him to.
The whole thing sucks, but that could have ended in a pileup with a bunch of horses and riders hurt. It was the right call.

[Susan Calvin]

53. Thank you for the information.

I'm still trying to find a video that focuses in on that. I tried Newsweek's but it wouldn't load. If jockey did in fact do that, it is a sad commentary on current morals.

[WillowTree]

94. Here ya go.

[Susan Calvin]

98. Thank you so much.

This should be an OP.

[WillowTree]

105. Any time!

Enjoy the rest of the weekend!

[demtenjeep]

60. wrong but whatever

horse wasn't sideways

you are calling the Jockey a bad one and talking out side of your mouth but you believe what you believe

I know what I watched and I know horse racing.

[Bantamfancier]

63. No. The jockey is a young one.

In the biggest race of his life and he made a bad decision.

You may watch horse racing, but my stepdad was a trainer and my brother and i owned several horses back in our misspent youth so we probably did watch the same race and saw two different events.

[Susan Calvin]

76. It's a shame for him too.

this is so sad all the way around.

[Drahthaardogs]

95. I grew up at the track too.

Billy Shoemaker rode some of our horses back in the day. You are exactly right. There was no reason to come off the rail and he could have killed someone with that move. I saw jockey Pete Chavez about die from something similar. I don't think he ever recovered. DQ was the right call

[Susan Calvin]

69. Someone else else on this thread gave me the times .

And I saw what you saw.

[oasis]

26. Max Security moved off the rail in the stretch causing another

horse to move in the path of Country House, who was declared the winner after a jockey's objection. It took the stewards close to 20 minutes before making their decision

Note: The stewards were not the ones who were the first to make the call, which would have been a "steward's inquiry'. A "jockey's objection" is when a jockey complains to the stewards.

[Drahthaardogs]

74. He came off the damned rail and bumped another horse passing

On the outside. This gets called in a Maiden race.

[Susan Calvin]

85. That's what I saw.

This whole mess is a damn shame.

[hlthe2b]

17. That just sucked. I know it's all about the $$, but the asterisk around Country House win...

is eternal and won't be forgotten.

I just didn't see the impact to that horse no matter how many replays.

Yes, I now want Maximum Security to win Belmont and Preakness to give them all the Hoof.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

20. What I keep on hearing

as I listen to CBS, you have to look at the feet.

I'm only repeating what I'm hearing.

[demtenjeep]

38. me too

or even taking a stand and refusing to run and telling everyone why

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

18. Listening to analysis

it sounds like the right call.

I know almost nothing about horses and horse racing, but one thing I'm hearing is that exact same thing happening in any other race in the country the disqualification would occur.

[Corgigal]

25. I know a little bit,

and think it was the right call too. We have lost too many horses this year and Maximum Security ride was just too wide. I'm thankful everyone is ok. Like Maximum jockey said, he's a baby and might have spooked from sound , but 3 horses got jammed.

Now to the Preakness.

[Susan Calvin]

47. Thank you.

I was wondering, so I appreciate the information. It's a shame it had to happen though.

[msongs]

21. its a bunch of horses running around on the dirt. nt

[Susan Calvin]

52. Yeah, but lately a lot of them have been getting killed. nt

[WheelWalker]

102. In this case, riding around in the mud.

[GoCubsGo]

22. I'm more pissed that it's delaying the start of the hockey game.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. This is the correct take.

[GoCubsGo]

39. I will make a confession here.

I'm actually far more pissed that it made me miss pre-game Patrick Sharp.

I love hockey, but I love my Sharpy even more. At least we have the intermissions...

[Mossfern]

34. Hollow victory

for one who won by disqualification of the winner.

[Iggo]

36. I bet the bonus checks spend, hollow or not.

[highplainsdem]

37. Only IF Maximum Security had interfered with Country House would this have been a decision

that might seem fair to most people.

But he didn't.

I doubt Country House has any chance of winning the Preakness and Belmont. Those two races will probably show just how wrong this Derby decision was, and I'm even wondering if the owners will keep Country House out of them so this alleged Derby "win" will be unsullied.

[Susan Calvin]

78. It's not if you interfered with a specific horse.

It's if you broke the rules.

[muriel_volestrangler]

107. Talking about other races makes no sense whatsoever. These are *races*, not style contests.

It's which horse wins the race in the conditions on that track on that day. While staying within the rules, which Maximum Security was judged to have not done (and the explanations make sense, to me).

And so with that horse disqualified, the horse that crossed the line next, without breaking the rules, wins. That's simple, and it's how races work, in all sports. Motor racing, for instance, which frequently has cars judged to have illegally impeded another. If the car/horse that was impeded loses out, that's tough, but uninvolved racers get to keep their time.

What happens in future races has no bearing on this one. How could it? You seem to be saying that they should have decided which horse won this race based on the likelihood of them winning another.

[mobeau69]

40. "For the seventh straight year, the favorite wins the Kentucky Derby"

Link to tweet

[mobeau69]

41. Best Video of the Derby. War of Will was clearly hindered.

https://www.newsweek.com/watch-country-house-wins-2019-kentucky-derby-after-controversial-review-1415307

[Susan Calvin]

51. I wish I could see it, but

I can't get past ad loading. Thanks Newsweek I'd love to watch your ad or at least would be willing to. If it would load.

[mobeau69]

56. You gotta scroll down. It's the second one down the page.

[Susan Calvin]

58. Thanks.

I know it seems trivial, but I really want to make up my own mind about this . Thanks for helping me.

[Susan Calvin]

59. Did but it still doesn't tell me anything.

I want to see what the judges saw when they called the disqualification and right now I cannot find it anywhere on the Internet. That's what I want to see.

[Susan Calvin]

70. Someone else on the thread gave me the times.

I saw what you saw.

[Green Line]

42. Totally agree

It’s the Kentucky Derby, not some claiming race at Pacino Downs. Terrible, terrible call.

[onenote]

64. Why should the Derby have different rules than any other race?

Some of the commentators I've heard acknowledged that in a regular race, this would be the correct decision. But that simply poses the question why should an action that would ordinarily be disqualifying not be disqualifying in the Derby. If anything the standard should be higher, not lower.

[Susan Calvin]

72. This. nt

[Goodheart]

43. I would have thought this board, more than any, would be in favor of the disqualification

Maximum Security and his jockey clear broke the rules. The disqualification is not only warranted but necessary for the integrity of the sport. Stay in your lane.

[demtenjeep]

45. the fuck they did

and don't tell me to stay in my lane when you don't even know what the fuck my lane is.

[Bantamfancier]

55. Well, it obviously isn't horse racing.

You pick a line and stay on it to the finish. You don’t swerve to stay in front of another rider.

That is called cheating and will get you set back.


That’s all goodheart was saying, but you seem to have taken it as a personal attack.

Have a cup of tea.

[Susan Calvin]

61. The way I hear it so far,

the horse swerved twice , presumably in response to his jockeys commands. But I'm not making any judgment until I can find the same videos the judges saw. Haven't had any luck so far. My initial response is that if it took them 20 minutes, and it's such a big deal as the Kentucky Derby , they must have been really sure. But I want to see for myself. If anybody can give me a link to a video that shows me what the judges saw, I would really appreciate it.

[dem4decades]

57. I thought Goodheart was referring to the horse?

[Codeine]

87. The poster was not telling you to stay in your lane

he was referring to the horses maintaining their position on the track. Your warrantless and baffling hostility is exceeded only by your lack of reading comprehension.

[Tipperary]

113. I am thinking someone lost some money in that race.

[Goodheart]

109. Lighten up, Francis.

"Stay in your lane" = follow the rules.

I take it you lost money on the race? Otherwise why so snitty?

[MineralMan]

116. You're pretty worked up about this.

The poster you're replying to was referring to the horse staying in the lane, not you.

In the grand scheme of things this race is meaningless, as it its outcome.

[madamesilverspurs]

44. Not a fan of horse racing, but

when the news broke my first thought, "By any chance does Trump own the winning horse?"


.

[demtenjeep]

46. seems like it doesn't it

the whiner before the dq sure sounded like it

[getagrip_already]

49. putin's horse won... how does that happen? n/t

[PufPuf23]

50. The Churchill Downs track was in extremely bad shape becaus of the wet.

IMO the track should of and could have been drained better so as to not have so much pooled water.

Shame when there are controversies in such storied events.

Can't male a good judgement based upon the two clips I watched.

[Susan Calvin]

62. Me either.

I want to see what the judges saw, and haven't been able to find it yet. Supposedly that will become public . I guess I mean hopefully that will become public. I really should try to calm down and just wait for the news in the morning, when hopefully we can see what the judges saw.

[rgbecker]

66. The Newsweek site has a video that makes it quite clear.

The lead horse moved off the rail by about 5 or 6 feet in what looked to be a blocking attempt of three contenders on the outside. Another horse on the rail moved up the rail into the opening and Maximum Security closed him off by returning to the rail although he had just a half length lead. Pretty blatant, surprised it took 20 minutes to review it. I guess, like was stated, they really wanted to be sure.

https://www.newsweek.com/watch-country-house-wins-2019-kentucky-derby-after-controversial-review-1415307

The move to the outside starts about 2:05 and then back to the rail at about 2:13.

[Susan Calvin]

67. Thanks for the times.

It looks pretty blatant to me. It's a shame.

[Enoki33]

65. I think it was the right call. I suspect it is only controversial

because it is one of the biggest races in the world and the enormous $ stakes involved. Seen similar situations before as l lived ten minutes from Santa Anita for many years.

[Susan Calvin]

68. Thank you for the opinion.

Especially considering your location. I've been to Santa Anita once. Saw Stevie Cauthen ride. I think I'm remembering the name correctly. We bet every possible combination for the first three horses out of a 5 horse field. And lost. But we had a good time.

[Susan Calvin]

75. And this is the right call.

Rules is rules.

[Stuart G]

71. I looked through the first 10 posts or so, and thought "DQ" was another horse...???

Yes, I didn't know that DQ meant ...disqualification.. took a while to figure that one out. I am not sure this was explained... Yes, I really did not know what ...DQ. meant ...After reading the Kentucky Derby story, I figured it out....oh well....so many abbreviations here...I need a dictionary. Although I looked in the dictionary at google...and all I got was........Dairy Queen.... No, I did not make this up to cause trouble. I really did not know what that term meant....

......OK...time to ..

[Drahthaardogs]

73. DQ was deserved. I grew up at the track every Sunday.

My grandfather was a rancher who tinkered in horses.

That horse came off the rail and bumped that other horse.

This OP is wrong. You can't do that shit. There is no money conspiracy.

[Susan Calvin]

79. Thanks.

That's my current opinion, based on the facts that I can gather. It's a shame.

[Drahthaardogs]

80. Mudders are weird. Some of them like to run in mud

Others have bad knees or feet and the mud is softer so they run better. Weird shit happens in the mud. Just the way it goes, but that jockey fucked up and the DQ was deserved.

Personally I'm stunned the stewards had the guts to do it. Good for them.

[Susan Calvin]

82. That's the take away here.

As far as I can make out, the right thing was done , in spite of the uproar they knew it would cause. This makes me happy . In a relative way. I don't know if the jockey did it intentionally or as a sort of a reflex. I am sad for him as well. I'm just sad . This sucks.

[still_one]

81. Looks to me like the 2000 and 2016 election

[Drahthaardogs]

86. Why?

He came off the rail and cut a horse coming up on the outside, bumped him and caused the jockey to pull up. You can't do that.

[Coventina]

83. Horse racing is cruel and barbaric.

[Susan Calvin]

84. No argument from me. nt

[Codeine]

89. This.

People cursing and rabidly frothing at the mouth because they’re unsatisfied by the outcome of a race between a bunch of rich people’s horses but don’t say a word when those horses have legs shattered during said races and end up being killed.

Weird priorities.

[JI7]

96. +

[SidDithers]

111. +1...

Well said.

Sid

[PTWB]

90. This was easily the correct call.

Honestly it’s a no-brainer. If you know ANYTHING about horse racing you’ll know that there was a clear rule violation and a disqualification was in order.


A major scandal would be if they DIDN’T DQ in this scenario.

[Alea]

92. It was a good call. Cut him off. Sorry your horse lost.

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[Susan Calvin]

99. Thank you for the exact video nt

[Alea]

104. You're welcome

Here's the video that breaks it down. My post was just a short gif.

[bluecollar2]

93. Maximum Security

Was ridden wide coming out of the term and then taken back to towards the rail.

You can't obstruct your competition.

The jockey wasn't picking a specific horse but clearly intended to " block" any rider behind him.

His actions clearly affected the riders behind him.

He cheated and got caught.

Too bad...because he had the best horse on the track.


It was the right call to give the race to the rider who finished second.

[Susan Calvin]

100. Sad but true.

The world we live in.

[Bayard]

97. I don't believe there was any fix

And it wasn't the jockey trying to cheat by blocking other horses.

You had a young horse that tried to spook at a puddle. It happens. It rained all day here. I read one account that said he tried to skip over it, basically the same thing. If you've ever been on a 1,000+ pound animal doing that, you'll appreciate that his jockey handled it the best he could, and got him back to where he was supposed to be. I seriously doubt it changed the outcome of the race. Bumping is part of the game. They don't, "stay in a lane", or there would be no race.

Maximum Security was clearly the best horse in the field today, and I hope he takes the Preakness and Belmont.

[Susan Calvin]

101. I see it might have been the puddle.

The horse swerved in the way that it seemed he might have seen it and then swerved . I'd have to see the alleged other swerve. The whole thing is such a shame I am sad.

[Duppers]

106. I agree with all of your post.

🐎


"Though he be little, he is fierce."
- Red Pollard's version of Shakespeare's quote
(Like Seabiscuit was, Maximum Security is a smaller TB.)

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

108. Maximum Security fouled two other horses. Good DQ.

The Derby uses the same rules as any other horse race. At least no horses got hurt during the interference.

[snowybirdie]

110. With the proliferation

of legal gambling, I find it satisfying that these big corporations got royally screwed!

[SidDithers]

112. Which big corporations got screwed?...nt

Sid

[snowybirdie]

114. The big gambling sites

that kept advertising throughout the race coverage for one. Making gambling sound like just a fun trendy thing to do. They even would give you $100 to open account! Gambling can be destructive and addictive for some.

[Captain Stern]

115. The DQ didn't cost the gambling sites any money at all.

They would stand to make the same profit, regardless of which horse won the race.