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malaise

(268,930 posts)
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:16 PM May 2019

The House of Representatives is going to win this war

Take that to the bank. He is up shit creek without a paddle. This has broken open like a busted dam - the full report will be available sooner than they think and the people will let them know reality.
He may not get two more years.
Buckle Up! Go Dems! Go USA!

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The House of Representatives is going to win this war (Original Post) malaise May 2019 OP
God I Hope So Me. May 2019 #1
Those 400+ Former Prosecutors have blasted the dam open malaise May 2019 #3
This makes a huge difference mcar May 2019 #4
me too... yuiyoshida May 2019 #13
When we fight, we win. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #2
Right on gratuitous May 2019 #7
+1 Fight or get out of the fucking way. lagomorph777 May 2019 #69
What? DownriverDem May 2019 #74
And we can support them. lagomorph777 May 2019 #76
I am 62 years old and I am ready to take to the streets... Raster May 2019 #78
Katyal is on Ari right now. watoos May 2019 #5
Stop bawling and watch the proceedings malaise May 2019 #11
What proceedings? watoos May 2019 #34
The March to Impeachment n/t malaise May 2019 #35
I'm all in on impeachment watoos May 2019 #40
me too gopiscrap May 2019 #68
As someone so astutely pointed out gldstwmn May 2019 #22
His base will soon figure this one out malaise May 2019 #48
Face the Danger. WheelWalker May 2019 #6
It seems bdamomma May 2019 #8
Turtleman is in big trouble in Kentucky... Lock him up. May 2019 #50
Yet he'll be re-elected ... who else moonscape May 2019 #53
Oh yeah, he'll win. joshdawg May 2019 #57
One way or another will be found to apply Republican ballot mathematics in his favor. Ford_Prefect May 2019 #58
From your keyboard to Dog's ears! MoonRiver May 2019 #9
Contempt of congress charge followed by articles of impeachment on Barr, beachbum bob May 2019 #10
More and more people now understand that he is trying to control the malaise May 2019 #12
And if he pardons Barr over the contempt citation, Volaris May 2019 #14
I don't think pardon power addresses a non federal charge... beachbum bob May 2019 #16
How is contempt of the federal congress not a federal crime... Volaris May 2019 #49
nope, its a congressional citation beachbum bob May 2019 #56
I concur! lunatica May 2019 #15
Mueller must do a Sally Yates malaise May 2019 #17
Is Mueller even employed by the DOJ at this point? pecosbob May 2019 #19
Barr pretty much said that when he said the investigation was over and malaise May 2019 #20
Agreed. It will be interesting to see if Mueller shows up. gldstwmn May 2019 #24
+1 But still we wait for yaweh mueller to ride into town on his donkey. Chin music May 2019 #28
From your keyboard to the Lady's eyes Hekate May 2019 #18
I pray you are correct. gldstwmn May 2019 #21
'China if you're listening' crazytown May 2019 #23
And if all else fails, don't forget. . . China, if you're listening . . . . pdsimdars May 2019 #25
I was wonder when the dam would break! BlueJac May 2019 #26
This is why he is trying to start a war murielm99 May 2019 #27
Ding ding malaise May 2019 #30
Well, we know Bolton wants to moonscape May 2019 #54
I always figured NK was his escape valve quakerboy May 2019 #55
Not if they don't get their ass moving. blueinredohio May 2019 #29
Lock him up! malaise May 2019 #31
I hope so. This has gone from ridiculous to outrageous. Vinca May 2019 #32
Nice is over n/t malaise May 2019 #33
On June 6th Schlump is going to dance the dirty bird and take a shit on Omaha beach Ponietz May 2019 #36
Mueller still works for justice watoos May 2019 #37
Not for much longer malaise May 2019 #38
Mueller testifying is the game changer. watoos May 2019 #43
Who is going to stop Barr watoos May 2019 #39
Just 1 crime is enough... Individual 1 broke the Law. Lock him up. May 2019 #51
Either The House of Representatives wins this or they (we) die as a Democratic Republic. gordianot May 2019 #41
Oh, hell yes! H2O Man May 2019 #42
From your lips to God's ears. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #44
When I see it Sherman A1 May 2019 #45
The full tax returns report? Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #46
They can't make them public, but they will see them. Lock him up. May 2019 #52
You're damn right they are. spanone May 2019 #47
If they don't win, it will only be by SCOTUS invalidating the law. lark May 2019 #59
100% correct malaise May 2019 #60
I have bookmarked this Bettie May 2019 #61
Still the entire system needs a cleaning malaise May 2019 #62
And being a congressperson Bettie May 2019 #63
The incestuous relationship among corporations, M$Greedia malaise May 2019 #64
Morning K and R panader0 May 2019 #65
We need more concern and outrage from the apathetic public. Firestorm49 May 2019 #66
That will be coming sooner than you think malaise May 2019 #67
hope so AllaN01Bear May 2019 #70
Dems in leadership must resist falling into the trap (perpetuated by too many in the media)... Grasswire2 May 2019 #71
+1,000 malaise May 2019 #72
Let's hope so. I will believe it when I see it. muntrv May 2019 #73
I'm not that confident, but I do trust the House leaders. trev May 2019 #75
I'm sure the next strongly worded letter will do it. briv1016 May 2019 #77
I'm definitely taking this to the bank. Trump is done, he just doesn't know it. Bonx May 2019 #79
Those 450 Federal Prosecutors Aren't Garnering Enough Play corbettkroehler May 2019 #80

malaise

(268,930 posts)
3. Those 400+ Former Prosecutors have blasted the dam open
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:29 PM
May 2019

It will get worse from here.
Dems have been going their job and their homework. It hit me today that they have this one.
Even the tone has changed on the media.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. Right on
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:32 PM
May 2019

A piece of free advice, and worth every penny: Anyone who says this is a losing battle, or one not worth fighting is no friend of the Constitution and therefore no friend of the United States.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
78. I am 62 years old and I am ready to take to the streets...
Tue May 7, 2019, 04:25 PM
May 2019

...We need to SHUT THIS COUNTRY DOWN, if necessary, to protect the Constitution and the rule of law!

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
5. Katyal is on Ari right now.
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:30 PM
May 2019

Talking about this. Nadler is talking impeachment oh no, not yet, we need 67 Republican Senators.
Katyal says the Mueller report shows Trump is a felon. Still no answer how Dems are going to get the report from Barr. Heard nothing, just impeachment.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
11. Stop bawling and watch the proceedings
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:35 PM
May 2019

The answer is taking shape. This is decisive - watch democracy at work and if I am wrong, USA as we know it is over.
History will record that 2016 was a coup.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
34. What proceedings?
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:50 PM
May 2019

Trump and Barr don’t intend to win just delay.
Republicans subpoenaed documents from Obama’s Fast and Furious, they got them, in 3 1/2 years.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
22. As someone so astutely pointed out
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:26 PM
May 2019

today: Cohen went to prison today and Trump is his unindicted co conspirator. Trump should be in prison with Cohen.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
48. His base will soon figure this one out
Mon May 6, 2019, 09:05 PM
May 2019

It won't be pretty - notice that many of the goons who sent out threats on behalf of the vile MAGAcretin are also heading to prison.

bdamomma

(63,836 posts)
8. It seems
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:32 PM
May 2019

that is all we have now is the House, I see the foundation cracking, the Senate with McConnell at the helm are protecting this wanna be dictator. Get the Sergeant of Arms to arrest the AG, we have a lawless/corrupt POS who thinks he's above the law. We the people are shit to them.

We are in crisis now.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
10. Contempt of congress charge followed by articles of impeachment on Barr,
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:33 PM
May 2019

The hearing committee could spend a couple months with testimony for articles of impeachment with full scale investigation into all Barr moves. Trump can not use EP to cover up underlying crimes. Place McConnel in a no-win situation.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
12. More and more people now understand that he is trying to control the
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:42 PM
May 2019

House of Representatives. Many also know that crimes were committed. Cohen going to prison today and not the Con is pissing off THEIRbase. That's on every newscast.

Despite Barr, the Con, and RETHUGs Americans know that the Con committed crimes in office and is trying to block their exposure and his punishment.

The harder they come, the harder they fall.
(one and all ReTHUGs)

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
14. And if he pardons Barr over the contempt citation,
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:45 PM
May 2019

IMMEDIATLY begin articles of impeachment, on the grounds that he has Obstructed Justice, AND WILL do it again , and this is a preventive measure at a minimum.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
17. Mueller must do a Sally Yates
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:08 PM
May 2019

a Comey! Resign (be fired) and speak out loudly.
It's all coming together. I think the two years he's worried about are this one and next year.
That is on his mind.

pecosbob

(7,537 posts)
19. Is Mueller even employed by the DOJ at this point?
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:16 PM
May 2019

I know he was called back to act as SC...one would assume since his appointment as SC is now at an end that he is no longer an employee of the federal government. Accordingly neither Barr nor the White House can tell him to do anything.

*Late edit...Mueller "will be concluding his service within the coming days."https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212076844

I hate the Hill so I won't link to them but babylonsister has the link.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
20. Barr pretty much said that when he said the investigation was over and
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:17 PM
May 2019

the report is now his baby

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
28. +1 But still we wait for yaweh mueller to ride into town on his donkey.
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:39 PM
May 2019

Muellers report was long and disappointing. Over and over...'sure looks like ______, but I just couldn't prove ______.' If Muellers a professed christian, he's been doggin' it. Listen to it yourself and see. Trust me, just go to volume two. You'll never get the 10 hours back, from vol 1. Remember, even after he testifies(?), it's just starting. But, at least we'll have the facts as he saw them...I guess. Who knows?

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
27. This is why he is trying to start a war
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:37 PM
May 2019

with Iran. It would be a distraction and might bump up his approval ratings.

But who would win THAT war?

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
54. Well, we know Bolton wants to
Tue May 7, 2019, 04:22 AM
May 2019

start one, but I wouldn’t be sure that’s what 45 wants. Depends what Hannity and Fox say ...

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
55. I always figured NK was his escape valve
Tue May 7, 2019, 05:29 AM
May 2019

If things get too tight.. Push that closer to and eventually over the edge. A nuke or two hitting the west coast both mainly kills people who voted against him, and makes him a true war president.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
32. I hope so. This has gone from ridiculous to outrageous.
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:45 PM
May 2019

It's time to go for broke. If Dems try making nice as a ploy, all is lost. Laws need to be enforced and heads have to roll.

Ponietz

(2,961 posts)
36. On June 6th Schlump is going to dance the dirty bird and take a shit on Omaha beach
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:59 PM
May 2019

I’d love to see 400 Generals sign such a letter.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
37. Mueller still works for justice
Mon May 6, 2019, 08:00 PM
May 2019

He needs to resign. I believe that Mueller will testify but not sure when.
Who is going to bring charges against all of these crooks. The NY A.G. has free rein from Barr but I believe her charges are only civil.
Who is going to arrest Republicans for contempt of Congress? Who is going to fine and jail them?

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
43. Mueller testifying is the game changer.
Mon May 6, 2019, 08:25 PM
May 2019

Can Barr/Trump delay this until after the election?
The sooner Mueller testifies the better.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
39. Who is going to stop Barr
Mon May 6, 2019, 08:16 PM
May 2019

From shutting down the 12 investigations that Mueller spun off to SDNY?

Lock him up.

(6,925 posts)
51. Just 1 crime is enough... Individual 1 broke the Law.
Tue May 7, 2019, 03:20 AM
May 2019

At the very very very least, once...

Now add all his obstructions, witness tamperings (tweets...).

All.Going.To.Be.Exposed 24/7

Drip.Drip.Drip.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
41. Either The House of Representatives wins this or they (we) die as a Democratic Republic.
Mon May 6, 2019, 08:19 PM
May 2019

So far I am not encouraged which in no way means the House should not attempt to follow the Constitution and laws of the United States. There are issues far greater than removing a tyrant.

Lock him up.

(6,925 posts)
52. They can't make them public, but they will see them.
Tue May 7, 2019, 03:24 AM
May 2019

Mnuchin is not looking at Cohen's fate and it may cost him...

lark

(23,091 posts)
59. If they don't win, it will only be by SCOTUS invalidating the law.
Tue May 7, 2019, 07:51 AM
May 2019

The law says documents SHALL be provided upon request of Finance Committee Chair - and that's been done so its either uphold the law, or we officially start the descent into fascism and lawlessness for any right winger.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
61. I have bookmarked this
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:26 AM
May 2019

and have read it every time I feel like all is lost.

I don't know if you are right, but it calms me to see the words.

I hope you are right.

So, thanks for giving me a thing to hang on to.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
62. Still the entire system needs a cleaning
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:35 AM
May 2019

Many folks need to be banished from politics and locked up

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
63. And being a congressperson
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:43 AM
May 2019

or senator shouldn't be a path to becoming massively wealthy.

Money is probably the most corrosive element of our political system and we need to get it out...after securing our election apparatus.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
67. That will be coming sooner than you think
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:13 AM
May 2019

Barr made things worse for the Con, ReTHUGs and their goons

AllaN01Bear

(18,159 posts)
70. hope so
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:05 AM
May 2019

just told a friend the other day that the entire executive , the upper us supreme court and the upper legislative branch of the senate needs toe be impeached .( just my thoughts )

Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
71. Dems in leadership must resist falling into the trap (perpetuated by too many in the media)...
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:38 AM
May 2019

....of the handwringing about how Dems can always screw things up. Over reach. Look like all they can do is attack.

That line of talk infuriates me. I saw it especially from Chuck Todd and from Kornacki.

trev

(1,480 posts)
75. I'm not that confident, but I do trust the House leaders.
Tue May 7, 2019, 02:11 PM
May 2019

Hopefully, they have something up their sleeve.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
80. Those 450 Federal Prosecutors Aren't Garnering Enough Play
Tue May 7, 2019, 06:05 PM
May 2019
http://washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-would-have-been-charged-with-obstruction-were-he-not-president-hundreds-of-former-federal-prosecutors-assert/2019/05/06/e4946a1a-7006-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html


Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president, hundreds of former federal prosecutors assert

By Matt Zapotosky
May 6 at 2:00 PM


More than 450 former federal prosecutors who worked in Republican and Democratic administrations have signed on to a statement asserting special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s findings would have produced obstruction charges against President Trump — if not for the office he holds.

The statement — signed by myriad former career government employees as well as high-profile political appointees — offers a rebuttal to Attorney General William P. Barr’s determination that the evidence Mueller uncovered was “not sufficient” to establish that Trump committed a crime.

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