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JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
Mon May 6, 2019, 10:37 PM May 2019

If the word "Obstruction" means anything, Then we must enforce/use the word "Impeach." Now.

Ok, we have over 500 prosecutors saying loudly that Trump was/is obstructing justice after they read the Mueller report.

So the word "obstruction" fits what Trump was/is doing perfectly.

Now, before you lecture me that impeachment is fruitless because the Senate will not consider impeachment, then please specify/explain to me what law/or-anything-else the House does in the next two years that will pass the Senate?

For just one example I've heard about "coming together (with the GOP) to fix Healthcare". Are they really serious? That is more unlikely at this point than impeachment!

Anything else I might be missing? Please educate me because I can't really think of anything mcturtle or anyone else in the GOP, including Mueller or Barr, will say or do if not under the threat of impeachment.

And now, here is what I expect to hear at the next Trump/GOP rally, "SIX more years!"

?

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If the word "Obstruction" means anything, Then we must enforce/use the word "Impeach." Now. (Original Post) JoeOtterbein May 2019 OP
The Constitution can't wait until 2020 nt Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #1
If the "rule of law" means anything we must act Now! n/t JoeOtterbein May 2019 #2
500 federal prosecutors gldstwmn May 2019 #3
Good question! JoeOtterbein May 2019 #4
It does. I chatted with some gldstwmn May 2019 #5
"not to upset the Republicans" is a curse on humanity and should never be accepted as strategy or JoeOtterbein May 2019 #6
I'm with you. There's no time to wait. gldstwmn May 2019 #7
I'm experiencing distress of a more personal nature along with sprinkleeninow May 2019 #8
See the letter the 500+ prosecutors signed tonight on what Trump/GOP JoeOtterbein May 2019 #13
Dems busted their chops to at least secure the House. sprinkleeninow May 2019 #9
That only means they are strong enough to impeach! n/t JoeOtterbein May 2019 #11
That. Their taking the House should not be for naught. eom sprinkleeninow May 2019 #12
We need to use our power to Impeach NOW! n/t JoeOtterbein May 2019 #14
One of my theories, is that Trump et. al. are being treated as Rich White Male Celebrity(s) Justice JoeOtterbein May 2019 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter May 2019 #15
In my own political opinion, I agree with the person who said that "bipartisanship" is another word JoeOtterbein May 2019 #16
So far, Cheney was more evil than Trump. Just look at all the humans killed in Iraq. JoeOtterbein May 2019 #17
Let the "Hunger Games" begin. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #18
Yep! n/t JoeOtterbein May 2019 #19
Mueller is about to testify. Let's at least wait for that. We get one shot. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #20
I'm worried about 2020. JoeOtterbein May 2019 #21
I totally agree with everything you say. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #22
I agree with you 100%. JoeOtterbein May 2019 #23

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
5. It does. I chatted with some
Mon May 6, 2019, 11:38 PM
May 2019

Folks here earlier today who insist we must not talk of impeachment so as not to upset the Republicans. I don't know what kind of stategy that is or what on earth we are waiting for. Will there really be free and fair elections in 2020? Micharl Cohen said he believes Trump will not leave office peacefully and Pelosi co signed ig to the NYT. Do we have a plan here?

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
6. "not to upset the Republicans" is a curse on humanity and should never be accepted as strategy or
Mon May 6, 2019, 11:45 PM
May 2019

politically correct in our Dem actions in the House.

Our duty now is to protect the House BEFORE Russia/Trump/GOP outlaws us as trying to "over-rule the will" of the people (ruling us from Russia eventually in my opinion!)

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
7. I'm with you. There's no time to wait.
Mon May 6, 2019, 11:50 PM
May 2019

On the news this evening it eas suggested arresting Barr would be ludicrous. Really? Why? Do they honestly think he is going to hand over the report? I ask because I honestly do not know what to think anymore.

sprinkleeninow

(20,235 posts)
8. I'm experiencing distress of a more personal nature along with
Mon May 6, 2019, 11:59 PM
May 2019

the distress of attempting to understand what the catalyst should be in initiating impeachment proceedings.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
10. One of my theories, is that Trump et. al. are being treated as Rich White Male Celebrity(s) Justice
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:02 AM
May 2019

They all think/know they are above the law. Because they have done similar kind of what we call "illegal" stuff for years and have never been locked-up for it before.

With Trump in the WH we can only expect he/they will continue unless we use the word:

IMPEACH NOW! (remember DU is the way us responsible Dems from the U-of-DU communicate with the D-of-DU.

Say it over and over until they hear all of us loud and CLEAR!

IMPEACH!

Response to gldstwmn (Reply #5)

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
16. In my own political opinion, I agree with the person who said that "bipartisanship" is another word
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:27 AM
May 2019

for political rape. I tend to agree.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
17. So far, Cheney was more evil than Trump. Just look at all the humans killed in Iraq.
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:33 AM
May 2019

GOP, evil then, evil now.

The "next time" they do something evil may be much more worse now that they think, or know, they can get away with it.

We need to stand up and STOP them NOW!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
18. Let the "Hunger Games" begin.
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:03 PM
May 2019

The odds are in our favor, strike while public interest is peaked. imo

If we fail to use impeachment as a tool in 2019 to hold rumpie accountable, we may be dooming our chances to stop another term. Fearing the downside, promoting inaction will only embolden those who seek to destroy our Democracy.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
20. Mueller is about to testify. Let's at least wait for that. We get one shot.
Tue May 7, 2019, 07:56 PM
May 2019

No do-overs. Everything has to be perfect. Ducks all in a row. All the evidence (which Congress hasn't seen), all the arguments considered, Pelosi needs to verify the votes for impeachment beforehand, etc.

I also think they should consider filing a secret indictment, if that can be done. If the Senate needs to get on board, that can't be done, obviously.

Then we need to gain some Senate seats in 2020, as well as win the Presidency back. Then we're talkin' turkey. Hopefully we can get an indictment at that point. Can impeachment be retroactive? If so, maybe that should be considered, if we gain some Senate seats.

Then we go after McConnell.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
21. I'm worried about 2020.
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:01 PM
May 2019

To be honest I think the GOP/Trump/Russia rigged 2016. What if they rig the old machines again and we lose the House, Senate and WH? Then the idea of a just and fair Democracy will become nothing more than a naive dream.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. I totally agree with everything you say.
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:36 PM
May 2019

I think the Russia rigging is being ignored. I also think the rigging by Russia in 2016 is underestimated by some (or many?).

2016 was rigged. There is no reason to think the same thing won't happen again. If anything, Russia might be able to hack individual election systems even better this time.

That's why I say...we need to fight the refusals by the W.H. to appear or product documents, even if we lose. It's time we find out if we have lost our democracy or not. If we are on the way to a dictatorship, or not. Let's find out just how far Russia has infiltrated our government.

My 9th grade civics teacher is probably turning over in her grave. She explained what a takeover by a hostile foreign nation would look like, and this is it.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
23. I agree with you 100%.
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:34 PM
May 2019

The House needs to pull every string the know how to pull to expose the crimes and impeach.

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