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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhenever a Republican says, "It's already been 2 years."
What EVERY reporter should ask whenever that is said, "How long did the investigation into Clinton last?"
It went on for approximately four years and went far afield from the original mandate to investigate the Whitewater Development Corporation land deal.
And they FINALLY got their big constitutional crisis, lying about consensual sex.
Of course, all the GOPers thought it was necessary and justified to spend that much time and money for such an important issue.
Now, when we are only investigating a foreign country attacking our election with blessings from the president, well, two years has been Waaaaayyy too long. What is wrong with their thinking? I'll tell you, tribalism.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)they've been conditioned to respond to Republican command. Pack mentality.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)D_Master81
(1,822 posts)our population would decrease by about 50 million overnight. They are bunch of people operating off the same mind.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Our loss in 2016 was devastating to just Judicial Watch alone, who'd bragged of having 5 new scandals all developed and lined up ready to roll.
Tribalism's as nice a word as one can come up for it.
JHB
(37,152 posts)That was even before the 92 election.
Tamposi seized on the ripped page to justify a new suspicion, that a Clinton ally at the State Department had removed the renunciation letter. Tamposi shaped that bizarre possibility into a criminal referral which was forwarded to the Justice Department. Thin as the case might be, the Bush re-election effort now had its official action that meant they could elevate the renunciation rumor into a public issue.
Within hours of the criminal referral, someone from the Bush camp leaked word about the confidential FBI investigation to reporters at Newsweek magazine. The Newsweek reporters involved, especially Margaret Warner, had very close ties to Baker's inner circle, dating back to Baker's years as secretary of state.
The Newsweek story about the tampering investigation hit the newsstands on Oct. 4, 1992. The article suggested that a Clinton backer might have removed incriminating material from Clinton's passport file, precisely the spin that the Bush people wanted. Immediately, Bush took the offensive, using the frenzy over the tampering story to attack Clinton's patriotism on a variety of fronts, including his student trip to Moscow in 1970.
With his patriotism challenged, Clinton saw his once-formidable lead shrink. Quickly, a panicked Clinton campaign sought help from a seasoned political hand, R. Spencer Oliver, who was then chief counsel on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. (Oliver was a veteran of GOP electoral shenanigans. In 1972, his phone at Democratic national headquarters was one of those bugged by Richard Nixon's Watergate burglars.)
Oliver dispatched his own team to the State Department to examine what was behind the mysterious passport criminal referral. When Oliver learned that the evidence consisted only of staple holes, he blew the whistle on what looked like another GOP dirty trick. Within days, the FBI, too, rejected the tampering suspicion. The passport gambit backfired on the Bush campaign.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)back when he was AR's attorney general and really revving up when Clinton became governor and billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife developed his pathological antagonism from PA.
I didn't remember that, but I do remember that they manufactured literally dozens of mini-crimes/scandals like this to feed the growing appetite for them.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)is still blaming President Obama for everything and demanding that HRC be thrown in jail.
Ask them where are we going to stop hearing that BS ?
ego_nation
(123 posts)Bill or Hillary
PatrickforO
(14,557 posts)went from the Whitewater days of the early 1990s through the primary season in 2016.
There really IS a vast, right-wing conspiracy.
pazzyanne
(6,542 posts)PatrickforO
(14,557 posts)Why in the world is that even necessary?
pazzyanne
(6,542 posts)would be my guess.
Volaris
(10,266 posts)For the last 20 years , and they all KNOW IT .
The demographic wave is coming for them, and there are only so many fingers to shove into the dike (and less every cycle, at that).
The GOP in it's post Nixon incarnation, is about done. All it will take is now, is PROOF on Paper that they aided/abetted/coverd for RussiaTrump fucking around with our elections.
Congressional Dems, this is your ONE, BEST, CHANCE to relegate the GOP to regional party status for the next 20 years or so.
So don't fuckin blow it, K??
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)No it's not.
Every new generation fucks up just like the last one.
The future will not save us.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Jesus!
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Working with idiots, lunatics, assholes and fuckwads will not help you, or them.
Let us make our world. Peace, health and welfare - for everyone and everything on this planet. They can come along, or not.
Their choice.
Maine-i-acs
(1,499 posts)"What did you guys get done?" Is my answer...
Repeal Obamacare? nope
Health care anything? nope
Jobs bill? nope
Energy plan? nope
Mideast anything? nope
Foreign policy anything? nope
Fix deficit? nope.
Wall? nope.
Kill farmer jobs? yep
Kill manufacturing? yep
Tax boondoggle for the uber-rich? yep. Congratulate your local oligarch then.
MiniMe
(21,707 posts)It is still going on, even though they have found nothing
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)What makes the nation vulnerable is that 1 out of 3 will consistently fall for the lies, hypocrisy, etc.
So they keep bashing Dems over nothing while defending the indefensible from their own party and the media keeps making it sound "fair and balanced."
The GOP's leaders are not deluded or myopic, they are just manipulating those who are.
We have to stop thinking that if we present our case to them in the right way it will eventually make a difference.