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Demovictory9

(32,423 posts)
Sat May 11, 2019, 03:24 AM May 2019

It grows rapidly. It's nearly impossible to kill. It's terrorized England. And now it's all over my

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“If it’s growing close to your house, there’s a potential it could send its rhizomes and break through your foundation,” says Jatinder Aulakh, an assistant weed scientist at the Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station.
Japanese Knotweed Solutions, Ltd.

It grows rapidly. It’s nearly impossible to kill. It’s terrorized England. And now it’s all over my American backyard.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/05/japanese-knotweed-invasive-plants.html

t’s been nearly four years since I bought hypodermic needles at a CVS, squatted in my backyard, and drew them full of glyphosate. I’d done my best to build a little garden in Brooklyn, only to see the ground begin to vanish beneath the fastest-growing plant I had ever seen. It sprouted in April with a pair of tiny, beet-red leaves between the flagstones, and poked up like asparagus through the mulch. By May the leaves were flat and green and bigger than my hands, and the stems as round as a silver dollar. My neighbor’s yard provided a preview of what was coming my way: a grove as thick as a cornfield, 10 feet high, from the windows to the lot line. I had to kill the knotweed.

I was facing twin threats. The knotweed would kill my plants within months and prevent anything else from growing. But spraying the yard with Round-Up, Monsanto’s powerful herbicide, would kill everything in days. Which is why I bought the needles. The idea, which was tested in the journal Conservation Evidence, was to inject the plant’s hollow, jointed canes with weedkiller, shooting herbicide into its roots but sparing innocent neighbors from the deadly spray.

In the moment, this felt absurd, a demented instruction from the Wile E. Coyote guide to gardening. This was before I knew that two full-time knotweed fighters had, in 2004, shot glyphosate into more than 28,000 knotweed stems along Oregon’s Sandy River. Or that in the United Kingdom, it has been a crime to plant or transport unsealed knotweed since 1990. Or that right here in New York City, more than 200 acres of parkland have been overtaken by the plant.

Anyway, it didn’t work.

Japanese knotweed has come a long way since Philipp Franz von Siebold, the doctor-in-residence for the Dutch at Nagasaki, brought it to the Utrecht plant fair in the Netherlands in the 1840s. The gold-medal shrub was prized for its “gracious flowers” and advertised as ornament, medicine, wind shelter, soil retainer, dune stabilizer, cattle feed, and insect pollinator. The stems could be dried to make matchsticks, or cut and cooked like rhubarb. It crested in the dog days of summer with tassels of tiny white buds. Oh, and it grew with “great vigor.”

I tried a few different approaches: Yanking it out stalk by stalk was a sweaty, summer-long game of whack-a-mole—a thankless full-time job. Then a friend and I spent one long night digging a 10-by-4-foot trench, lining it with black contractor bags, and refilling it with dirt. It looked like we were trying to bury something, and in a way we were: the knotweed rhizomes—the plant’s creeping rootstalks—under our feet, searching for a ray of light.

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Knotweed rises on the banks of the Bronx River in New York City, where more than 200 acres of parkland is covered by knotweed.
Henry Grabar




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It grows rapidly. It's nearly impossible to kill. It's terrorized England. And now it's all over my (Original Post) Demovictory9 May 2019 OP
Powerful natural weed killer Thekaspervote May 2019 #1
Hmmm .... does it work on Himalayan Blackberies KPN May 2019 #5
Tried it. Does nothing to deep-rooted species NickB79 May 2019 #10
i have been fighting cayratia japonica for 20 years now. rampartc May 2019 #2
I have been using this brush herbicide for a horrible patch of blackberries CharleyDog May 2019 #3
Ooooh! Maybe I'll give it a try on our bamboo! woodsprite May 2019 #8
Ingredients for Image Herbicide from Lilly Miller Brush & Vine Killer Concentrate csziggy May 2019 #13
I've got a Bermuda grass problem. Someone planted it in this neighborhood in the 30s. diane in sf May 2019 #4
Shade kills it. GoCubsGo May 2019 #17
I had no idea TxDemChem May 2019 #6
Said to be a tasty veggie -- many recipes online mainer May 2019 #7
We tried pretty much everything to eradicate but no luck yet so... WePurrsevere May 2019 #9
Root barrier system. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #11
My bane is chameleon plant spinbaby May 2019 #12
The hype is so overblown. appal_jack May 2019 #14
They're like blackberries I think ismnotwasm May 2019 #15
I have a patch of this. MissB May 2019 #16
finally conquered mine. fire and chickens. mopinko May 2019 #18
Could be worse; it could be the Giant Hogweed. Codeine May 2019 #19
What about Japanese knotweed in Japan? dalton99a May 2019 #20

KPN

(15,638 posts)
5. Hmmm .... does it work on Himalayan Blackberies
Sat May 11, 2019, 05:32 AM
May 2019

do you know? Been battling them on some steep ground in my back half acre for years. This year started digging up their roots which appears to be working, but it’s a lot of— actually too much — work. Won’t use Roundup/glyphosate. i have a hand dug 30 foot deep drinking water well just below them on the slope.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
10. Tried it. Does nothing to deep-rooted species
Sat May 11, 2019, 11:01 AM
May 2019

All it does is dessicate the leaves. Thistles regrow their leaves in a couple weeks. Since knotweed grows from rhizomes, they'd behave the same.

rampartc

(5,388 posts)
2. i have been fighting cayratia japonica for 20 years now.
Sat May 11, 2019, 04:29 AM
May 2019

"bushkiller vine" as it is called. i can beat it back, but it grows back quickly.

https://www.lsuagcenter.com/profiles/lbenedict/articles/page1491497309508

kudzu is bad, but this stuff will take over the planet.

CharleyDog

(757 posts)
3. I have been using this brush herbicide for a horrible patch of blackberries
Sat May 11, 2019, 04:35 AM
May 2019

they are, of course, also connected by rhizomes and have gained a powerful foothold in my garden.

This brush herbicide has completely killed all the roots wherever I have used it.

It's called Image Brush and Vine Killer concentrate.

The directions say to spray it on, or "with freshly cut stumps" I painted it on with a paintbrush to the cut. Yes, it's a bit of a pain to brush it on each stump, but I didn't want to kill my garden, and it has worked really well.

on Amazon: Image by Lilly Miller Brush & Vine Killer Concentrate 32oz
This brush and vine killer kills completely - stumps and roots won't regrow
Kills blackberries, kudzu, poison oak, poison ivy, sumac and most other woody plants

It is acidic like vinegar, perhaps it is concentrated vinegar, but it works better than vinegar (I tried that before). It doesn't harm insects, bees if you don't spray it directly on them. That was a big concern for me.

woodsprite

(11,905 posts)
8. Ooooh! Maybe I'll give it a try on our bamboo!
Sat May 11, 2019, 07:29 AM
May 2019

There is a 60’ x 10’ (and growing) swath between our house and the neighbors. The only thing is it’s inter-twined with some huge oaks and hickory trees. Wouldn’t want it to damage their roots.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
13. Ingredients for Image Herbicide from Lilly Miller Brush & Vine Killer Concentrate
Sat May 11, 2019, 11:23 AM
May 2019

Triclopyr and Triethylamine
Safety Data Sheet: https://images.homedepot-static.com/catalog/pdfImages/58/582eeaa1-92e5-4612-8c45-257052dd8000.pdf

We have a minor problem with Spanish bayonets - one recommendation is to trim back the spines, drill holes in the stem and pour Roundup into the holes. We dug up a bunch of them and left them with their roots hanging in the top of a brush pile. Now that it is drying out here after a wet winter I need to see if the things are still growing on those brush piles - if so, we may have to burn the entire pile, which I hate to do.

Our brush piles provide habitat for birds and small mammals which give the foxes and hawks prey. Plus they allow trees to take hold - one brush pile spot from fifteen years ago now has a small grove of black walnuts coming up. The brush is gone, broken down into the soil, but the trees that it sheltered are now big enough to make it on their own without the horses pulling up the saplings or the mowers running them over.

diane in sf

(3,913 posts)
4. I've got a Bermuda grass problem. Someone planted it in this neighborhood in the 30s.
Sat May 11, 2019, 05:08 AM
May 2019

Horrible stuff and nothing kills it that wouldn’t poison the whole yard.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
17. Shade kills it.
Sat May 11, 2019, 12:45 PM
May 2019

It likes full sun. Cover it with dark plastic, and that will probably get rid of it. It might take a while, but between the lack of sun and lack of water, that should be enough to take it out. When I bought my house, it had Bermuda grass. It also has lots of big trees. As they grew up and produced more shade the Bermuda grass disappeared. It lost out to my neighbors' encroaching centipede grass, which is more shade tolerant. The only place left with Bermuda grass is a microscopic sliver of the yard that gets full sun, and in the cracks where the gutter meets the street asphalt. Even paving over it didn't kill it.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
9. We tried pretty much everything to eradicate but no luck yet so...
Sat May 11, 2019, 07:31 AM
May 2019

now we just work on limiting it's damage and trying to think of positive things about it like...
It's a rather attractive not unpleasant smelling jerk of a plant and bees are bonkers for the flowers. It's also edible (but with cautions like with rhubarb) and has medicinal properties that tradition Chinese medicine takes advantage of and should be researched further.

IMO if you can't beat it, control it the best you can and, when possible, figure out uses for it.

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
12. My bane is chameleon plant
Sat May 11, 2019, 11:07 AM
May 2019

The last homeowner planted it as a ground cover. Its roots travel on forever and it’s stinky.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
14. The hype is so overblown.
Sat May 11, 2019, 11:34 AM
May 2019

The environment is changing: temperature and rainfall disruptions, elevated CO2, soil loss, etc. Unsurprisingly, certain "invasive" plants are taking advantage of it.

Knotweed can be controlled organically by grazing and mowing. We can also accept it in certain areas. I have some just down the road. I will use the string trimmer and mower to keep it away from my foundation. I hope to get a few sheep for the pastures eventually. Where it's too wet for sheep, the knotweed will be part of the ever-evolving ecosystem. Maybe I'll get some bees some day, and they will work the summer flowers.

-app

ismnotwasm

(41,968 posts)
15. They're like blackberries I think
Sat May 11, 2019, 11:39 AM
May 2019

We don’t poison them— I did try it, but meh. I just dig them up every time they make an appearance. They are mostly contained in my neighbors yard.

MissB

(15,804 posts)
16. I have a patch of this.
Sat May 11, 2019, 11:57 AM
May 2019

It was here when I moved in 16 years ago. We moved in during this month back then, and the area above my driveway had these tall stalks I couldn’t identify. Turns out it was a rather healthy patch of knotweed. I started controlling it the next spring.

It’s still here.

It runs 50’ underground so it’s crossed under the road to the other side and onto a neighboring property in a gulley they don’t do anything with. It’s also crossed on the other side of my driveway but it only pokes up in one spot. I have it in my backyard in two places but there are only 4 or 5 roots.

I keep it in check by pulling it out. This time of year, I’m pulling stalks every weekend, generally I don’t let them get higher then a foot. A small piece broken off and left on the ground will grow another piece. At some point in the early summer it stops sending up stalks and just sulks in the ground, waiting for the next spring to arrive.

In the main patch above the driveway, I’ve planted food-producing perennials like goumi berries, bush cherries, pawpaw trees, lovage and chives. The knotweed tends to not come up right near those. I also have some other perennial plants like ferns, rose, hollyhock and foxglove (arguably another invasive). All in all, I keep the knotweed at bay but I won’t try the method of injection of roundup.

mopinko

(70,023 posts)
18. finally conquered mine. fire and chickens.
Sun May 12, 2019, 12:09 AM
May 2019

pulled most of it, and as it came back up, i poured a little gas on it and lit it. or torched it w a propane torch. mostly it worked on the first shot.
still came back, weakly, then the chickens took care of it.

nasty shit.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
19. Could be worse; it could be the Giant Hogweed.
Sun May 12, 2019, 12:43 AM
May 2019

Giant Hogweed is an invasive species that produces a sap that can photosensitize the skin, so much so that sunlight can cause burns and blisters.

It did inspire the best song that Genesis ever produced, so it’s not all bad I guess.

dalton99a

(81,406 posts)
20. What about Japanese knotweed in Japan?
Sun May 12, 2019, 01:26 AM
May 2019
https://medium.com/advanced-invasives/what-about-japanese-knotweed-in-japan-db989834dc0

What about Japanese knotweed in Japan?
“Why isn’t Japanese knotweed such a problem in Japan?” This is a well considered question we hear over and over at workshops and conversations about invasive plant species in the UK. The short answer is that Japanese knotweed lacks natural predation and competition outside its native environment.

Natural checks and balances

Philipp Franz Balthalzar von Siebold was the industrious German botanist and physician who first introduced Japanese knotweed into Europe in the mid 19th century. His mistake is understandable; when von Siebold first came across knotweed on the slopes of a volcano in Nagasaki Prefecture he would not have seen the prodigious density and growth of knotweed stands, so familiar along riverbanks and urban development sites in Britain today.

In Japan, knotweed exhibits characteristics of a ruderal species, spreading by seed at high altitude habitats, and also spreading by natural dispersal of vegetative material from landslides at lower altitudes. A hint of Japanese knotweed’s resilience and invasive potential is that it grows successfully on the scree and lava fields lining the slopes of Japan’s many active volcanoes. However, in the volcanic environment knotweed plants are typically much smaller in size than in Britain due to poor soils, ‘central die back’ of the plant (similar to fairy rings common in Britain), and the repeated coverings of volcanic ash and landslides that serve to limit knotweed growth.

In its Japanese habitat, knotweed is further kept in check by a large native ecosystem of similarly vigorous giant herbs such as the grasses Miscanthus and Bamboo, and natural invertebrate pests such as the psyllid Aphalara itadori. A range of Japanese soil fungi and plant diseases also attack all parts of the knotweed plant.

As a whole, the more hostile native environment helps to suppress Japanese knotweed in Japan. In urban areas, knotweed is still a problem warranting chemical control and physical management — only not to the degree that it is in Britain.
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