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Sun May 12, 2019, 05:23 PM

Whether they do it or we do it, it's wrong to use the name of Pocahontas as a joke

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or as a weapon. Or to use a "play on words" involving her name, or to hit Trump back with such a joke. To do so is to use Native Americans in our partisan politics, and they don't want their ancestors, culture, or history to be employed as a political joke or a weapon.

Bill Maher was wrong (as he often is). Please don't compound his mistake.

From the National Congress of American Indians:

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/ncai-condemns-president-trump-s-derogatory-use-of-pocahontas--KArFACFlku_jlYnYVYNHg/

“NCAI is a bi-partisan organization that works equitably with both sides of the political aisle, and it is not our common practice to comment on the partisan name calling that has come to dominate American politics,” said NCAI Executive Director Jacqueline Pata in the official release. “But we cannot and will not stand silent when our Native ancestors, cultures, and histories are used in a derogatory manner for political gain.”

Pocahontas is a “well-known historical Native figure” that has been turned into a derogatory term. The NCAI release states that, “in fact, the cultural misappropriation of Native American cultures and traditions unfortunately was a common occurrence during the 2016 election season, with multiple attacks by candidates and their surrogates during debates, rallies, and live broadcast appearances.”

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Reply Whether they do it or we do it, it's wrong to use the name of Pocahontas as a joke (Original post)
pnwmom May 2019 OP
samnsara May 2019 #1
True Blue American May 2019 #2
pnwmom May 2019 #3
True Blue American May 2019 #4
pnwmom May 2019 #5
WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #6
Tipperary May 2019 #12
True Blue American May 2019 #34
pnwmom May 2019 #39
True Blue American May 2019 #41
pnwmom May 2019 #43
True Blue American May 2019 #46
Funtatlaguy May 2019 #7
Rural_Progressive May 2019 #25
Ms. Toad May 2019 #32
True Blue American May 2019 #35
pnwmom May 2019 #40
WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #8
Irishxs May 2019 #9
Ms. Toad May 2019 #33
pnwmom May 2019 #38
suffragette May 2019 #10
G_j May 2019 #11
PufPuf23 May 2019 #13
MuseRider May 2019 #14
Cracklin Charlie May 2019 #15
MasonDreams May 2019 #16
DoctorJoJo May 2019 #17
pnwmom May 2019 #26
Dorian Gray May 2019 #27
pnwmom May 2019 #30
Dorian Gray May 2019 #50
ProfessorGAC May 2019 #48
Kurt V. May 2019 #18
warmfeet May 2019 #19
dogman May 2019 #20
dlk May 2019 #21
ProudLib72 May 2019 #22
BluesRunTheGame May 2019 #23
backtoblue May 2019 #24
rzemanfl May 2019 #28
defacto7 May 2019 #29
yellowcanine May 2019 #31
Anon-C May 2019 #36
pnwmom May 2019 #37
cwydro May 2019 #42
912gdm May 2019 #44
pnwmom May 2019 #45
912gdm May 2019 #47
LanternWaste May 2019 #49
gulliver May 2019 #51
pnwmom May 2019 #52

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:25 PM

1. yeah i agree...it made me uncomfortable reading it

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:32 PM

2. A Comedian

Said,” Warren is now calling Trump Brokeahantus now!”

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #2)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:34 PM

3. Warren is too smart to be doing that, since she finally had her apology

accepted by the Cherokee Nation for taking a DNA test after being taunted with that name.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:35 PM

4. It was a Comedian.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #4)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:36 PM

5. Apparently you haven't noticed, but that name is being tossed all over DU right now.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #2)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:38 PM

6. It's a shitty joke, and it's shitty to repeat it.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:58 PM

12. Yup.

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Sun May 12, 2019, 11:51 PM

34. I guess you guys have completely

Lost your sense of humor. My Husbands family has Cherokee blood. They think it is funny, as a dig at Trump.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #34)

Mon May 13, 2019, 03:35 AM

39. I'm guessing they weren't among those offended by Warren taking the DNA test,

for which she had to apologize to the Cherokee Nation. (Even though the Eastern Band Cherokee actually requires it for an application.)

We're not doing Warren any favors by pushing a meme that is offensive to many. Why associate Democrats with that?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #39)

Mon May 13, 2019, 04:46 AM

41. You find it offensive.

I do not!

My thanks to dam Schiff.

I simply thought it showed Trump ignorance when he first used the foolish name. You would know a Comedian would use it.

My family thought little about it. When my Son heard there was Cherokee blood in the family the first words out of his mouth were,” Can I open a Casino now?” His Father’s family settled in Pigeon Forge in the 1700’s. A Cherokee man married into the family, took the family name so he could buy a house. No big del. After research they now have a picture of him. The family has long kept a record so it was easy.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #41)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:02 AM

43. Did you hear about what happened to Warren after she took the DNA test?

Democrats shouldn't risk offending Native Americans by weaponizing their history or ancestors in the fight against Trump.

What the Congress of American Indians said in their statement applies to Democrats and Republicans equally -- even if you personally, as a relative to people who are 1/4 Native American, aren't offended.


https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/ncai-condemns-president-trump-s-derogatory-use-of-pocahontas--KArFACFlku_jlYnYVYNHg/

“NCAI is a bi-partisan organization that works equitably with both sides of the political aisle, and it is not our common practice to comment on the partisan name calling that has come to dominate American politics,” said NCAI Executive Director Jacqueline Pata in the official release. “But we cannot and will not stand silent when our Native ancestors, cultures, and histories are used in a derogatory manner for political gain.”

Pocahontas is a “well-known historical Native figure” that has been turned into a derogatory term. The NCAI release states that, “in fact, the cultural misappropriation of Native American cultures and traditions unfortunately was a common occurrence during the 2016 election season, with multiple attacks by candidates and their surrogates during debates, rallies, and live broadcast appearances.”

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #43)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:15 AM

46. My answer?

Bull! Politically correct will get us nowhere with the idiots we have running the show!

I am sick of this subject that was simply a joke by a Comedian! Keep beating the drum if you wish!

Oh, gee, I made another joke!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:40 PM

7. Use Brokeymon.

You know His $130,000 paid off porn star called him Pokeymon, turns out he was also Brokeymon.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #7)

Sun May 12, 2019, 08:20 PM

25. Now that works for me

Although I really enjoy it when someone has a slur, racial, ethnic or otherwise, turned back on them and that is what "brokahontas" is all about.

Donnie O put somebody down and did his juvenile attempt to brand them with an unflattering nickname. Then another person was clever enough to turn it back on him, well I guess I'm just not sensitive enough to have a problem with that.

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Response to Rural_Progressive (Reply #25)

Sun May 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

32. What you just said proves the point of this thread -

and all of the attempts to use people's lives to attack Reputlicans as "fair game"

Donnie O put somebody down and did his juvenile attempt to brand them with an unflattering nickname. Then another person was clever enough to turn it back on him, well I guess I'm just not sensitive enough to have a problem with that.


In other words you just acknowledged that Pochontas is a slur and an "unflattering nickname," that you find acceptable to use to insult Trump (regardless of the fact that you are - in essence - announcing to the world that there is something inherently negative in being Native American).

I am sure you would not consciously intend to express that opinion - BUT - that is precisely what I hear when gay is used to insult Trump. I imagine it is much the same whether it is Trump using it to insult Warren - OR - members of DU using it to insult Trump.

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Response to Rural_Progressive (Reply #25)

Sun May 12, 2019, 11:53 PM

35. I must not be politically correct. We all thought it was funny.

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Response to Rural_Progressive (Reply #25)

Mon May 13, 2019, 03:37 AM

40. How could Pocahontus be considered an "unflattering nickname"? Except by someone

who doesn't like Native Americans?

Why would we want to behave like someone who doesn't like Native Americans?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:41 PM

8. K&R.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:47 PM

9. Not saying this right, but EVERYONE is sick of president 6 yr old name calling.

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Response to Irishxs (Reply #9)

Sun May 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

33. So we should stoop to his level? n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #33)

Mon May 13, 2019, 03:31 AM

38. +1. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:53 PM

10. Completely agree.

K&R

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:56 PM

11. Completely agree also!

please!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 05:58 PM

13. Poor taste and one would hope DU above such behavior.

Guess not. Bleh.

Thank you for the post.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #13)

Sun May 12, 2019, 06:04 PM

14. Yes, one would hope

but sometimes I barely recognize this place and the people I am supposedly sided with.

So some dick comedian (yes I know who it is and this is what I think of him and his racist, misogynist, name calling comedy) says something his sophomoric mind thinks is funny and now we have to see it all over the place.

I agree with you and the OP. I am sick of the name calling and sick to death of this particular name caller being thought of as anything other than on "his own side".

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 06:53 PM

15. I like Brokemon better.

Only discriminates against animated characters.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 07:18 PM

16. Shhhh, we are making it worse. Forget about it.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 07:25 PM

17. Surely It Was Terribly Wrong for Trump, But Throwing It Back In His Fat Face Is Fair Play

 

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #17)

Sun May 12, 2019, 08:28 PM

26. No, it isn't. It is weaponizing an important Native American figure for our partisan politics

and it's just as wrong for us to throw it back as for Trump to toss it in the first place.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Sun May 12, 2019, 08:37 PM

27. I'd like to put it out there

that Maher isn't "us." He's a libertarian politically incorrect asshole who swings liberal at times. But I wouldn't claim him as a progressive.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #30)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:43 PM

50. Fair enough

when I responded to this thread, this was at the top and the only one I had read. I see people (sadly) ran with the joke. Ugh.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #27)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:36 AM

48. Untrue

He has heavily donated to dems for years
This thing about him being a libertarian is abjectly and provably false

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 07:37 PM

18. i won't be repeating that. Thanks for the post

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 07:41 PM

19. Agreed. NT.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 07:44 PM

20. I totally agree.

Why push t-Rump's racist trope? If a politically incorrect comedian tells his joke, he owns it. Elizabeth has already been falsely attacked for prolonging the meme.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 07:54 PM

21. With all of the Brilliant Comedians & Writers, Surely it's Not too Difficult to Create a...

...snappy and funny (and derogatory) nickname for Trump that doesn’t have racist overtones. We’re smarter than that.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 08:02 PM

22. Not saying it's right, but it plays to the lowest common denominator

You make fun using a racial slur, so I will make fun right back using a play on that racial slur.

That's why it has been trending all day on twitter.

We all know that twitter is a cesspool. Kind of what we should expect.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 08:04 PM

23. Brokezilla

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 08:14 PM

24. Absolutely. K&R nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 08:58 PM

28. Kind of a teensy, tiny bit wrong to misspell it. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 09:35 PM

29. I couldn't agree more.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2019, 09:59 PM

31. Call Trump "Cadet Brokespurs" and offend no one except Trump and his followers.

Two birds with one stone - Calls him out for his cowardice and his crappy business deals.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 03:16 AM

36. Agree wholeheartedly and I know better and should have done better in the moment.

Thanks for the OP, pnwmom!

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Response to Anon-C (Reply #36)

Mon May 13, 2019, 03:30 AM

37. You're very welcome, Anon-C! n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 04:58 AM

42. Completely agree.

Can’t believe there are some here who don’t get how offensive it is.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:10 AM

44. Thank you for telling me what is acceptable

I would never know .

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Response to 912gdm (Reply #44)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:12 AM

45. I am letting people know that a major Native American organization finds those jokes offensive.

Apparently some Democrats either didn't know or didn't care.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #45)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:16 AM

47. again, thank you for letting me know what is acceptable.

I thank you for your service.

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Response to 912gdm (Reply #44)

Mon May 13, 2019, 01:41 PM

49. Well, you're half right.

"Thank you for telling me what is acceptable. I would never know."

Well, you're half right.




(petulance meets petulance... which one denies its own existence first?)

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:46 PM

51. It's edgy, but fine.

Theirs no disrespect of Pocahontas intended. It's a joke, and a good one. Yeah, I hear what you are hearing too, but we've got to train ourselves to stop being so squeamish.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #51)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:46 PM

52. "Ourselves"? Are you Native American? Do you have a right to tell them

not to feel "squeamish" about having their ancestor weaponized in partisan politics?

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