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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:23 PM May 2019

China Is Becomming A 1984 Society

Very scary, very much what Mao would do/did.

“China is setting up a vast surveillance system that tracks every single one of its 1.4 billion citizens — from using facial recognition to name and shame jaywalkers, to forcing people to download apps that can access all the photos on their smartphones.

The growth of China's surveillance technology comes as the state rolls out an enormous "social credit system" that ranks citizens based on their behaviour, and doles out rewards and punishments depending on their scores.

Not much is known so far about how China will monitor its citizens for the social credit system, but some of the technology currently available in China could well be used in the system. Tech companies in China are required to share data with the government upon request…

A BBC reporter who tested a facial recognition system in Guiyang, southwest China, found that it only took seven minutes for authorities to catch him."

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-is-watching-its-citizens-in-a-modern-surveillance-state-2018-4https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit-system-explained

The complicated truth about China's social credit system

“China's social credit system has been compared to Black Mirror, Big Brother and every other dystopian future sci-fi writers can think up. The reality is more complicated — and in some ways, worse.

The idea for social credit came about back in 2007, with projects announced by the government as an opt-in system in 2014. But there's a difference between the official government system and private, corporate versions, though the latter's scoring system that includes shopping habits and friendships is often conflated with the former.

Brits are well accustomed to credit checks: data brokers such as Experian trace the timely manner in which we pay our debts, giving us a score that's used by lenders and mortgage providers. We also have social-style scores, and anyone who has shopped online with eBay has a rating on shipping times and communication, while Uber drivers and passengers both rate each other; if your score falls too far, you're out of luck.

China's social credit system expands that idea to all aspects of life, judging citizens' behaviour and trustworthiness. Caught jaywalking, don't pay a court bill, play your music too loud on the train — you could lose certain rights, such as booking a flight or train ticket. "The idea itself is not a Chinese phenomenon," says Mareike Ohlberg, research associate at the Mercator Institute for China Studies. Nor is the use, and abuse, of aggregated data for analysis of behaviour. "But if [the Chinese system] does come together as envisioned, it would still be something very unique," she says. "It's both unique and part of a global trend."

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit-system-explained

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China Is Becomming A 1984 Society (Original Post) Me. May 2019 OP
I've been saying for many years... Wounded Bear May 2019 #1
And the irony... Xolodno May 2019 #2
It's just adding a bit of automation, not a basic change. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2019 #3
You're Kidding Yourself If You Think That Me. May 2019 #4
Look at how they are using it against the Uighurs JCMach1 May 2019 #13
The new millennium is a regressive era.. SoCalDem May 2019 #5
That Is Exactly It Me. May 2019 #8
Our U.S.A. system is less overt but frequently just as oppressive. hunter May 2019 #6
"but frequently just as oppressive." EX500rider May 2019 #10
Look in our prisons. hunter May 2019 #11
Better the devil you know Thyla May 2019 #7
But Can You? Me. May 2019 #9
Their schools have racial recognition software and cameras Cosmocat May 2019 #12
This Is Only The Beginning Me. May 2019 #14

Wounded Bear

(58,588 posts)
1. I've been saying for many years...
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:28 PM
May 2019

China is a combination of the worst characteristics of capitalism and fascism, which in retrospect is a bit redundant.

Xolodno

(6,383 posts)
2. And the irony...
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:35 PM
May 2019

...it used to be communist. Albeit, like the Soviet Union, on paper only and not in practice.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,318 posts)
3. It's just adding a bit of automation, not a basic change.
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:36 PM
May 2019

Chinese have had Neighborhood Committees since the 1950s, with block monitors digging into everyone's business, reporting non-conforming behaviors.

This new set of cameras and software just augments it a little.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
5. The new millennium is a regressive era..
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:48 PM
May 2019

countries all over the world are longing for the bad ole good ole days

hunter

(38,301 posts)
6. Our U.S.A. system is less overt but frequently just as oppressive.
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:06 PM
May 2019

Especially for those who are not white heterosexual males.



EX500rider

(10,798 posts)
10. "but frequently just as oppressive."
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:40 PM
May 2019

Really? Let me know when we have millions in "re-education" camps.

This system automatically detects and locates “disloyal” people and has them picked up for reeducation.
Nearly a million Moslems have been sent to reeducation camps in Xinjiang province.

hunter

(38,301 posts)
11. Look in our prisons.
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:56 PM
May 2019

Look at our police shootings and brutality.

Look at how our drug addicts die.

Look at our unemployed and unemployable.

Lots of people here in the U.S.A. have a social credit rating approaching zero.

However, we are free to say whatever we damned please here in the United States, but only so long as we are ineffective and don't break anything.



Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
12. Their schools have racial recognition software and cameras
Mon May 13, 2019, 04:00 PM
May 2019

that scan every 7 minutes and assess how much students are obeying ...

You know darn well Rs would crank this kind of $hit up here in a heartbeat.

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