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PupCamo

(288 posts)
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:49 PM May 2019

Roman numerals, anyone? Poll suggests bias against Arabic numerals

https://triblive.com/news/roman-numerals-anyone-poll-suggests-bias-against-arabic-numerals/

Who knows exactly what a new poll says about mathematics in America, but the reactions to a recent poll on the topic are a little alarming.

When CivicScience, a Pittsburgh-based market research firm, polled more than 3,200 Americans on the issue of mathematics instruction last week, 56% of the respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in American schools; 29% said it should be part of the curriculum, while 16% offered no opinion.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The saddest and funniest testament to American bigotry we've ever seen in our data. pic.twitter.com/Bh3FBsl8sR

— John Dick (@jdcivicscience) May 11, 2019

Did they realize we’ve been using Arabic numerals for just about everything under the sun since the founding fathers gave us 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights?

I can't anymore
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Roman numerals, anyone? Poll suggests bias against Arabic numerals (Original Post) PupCamo May 2019 OP
I cant anymore either. Eko May 2019 #1
The Reptilian Party is COUNTING on voters to be ignorant. lagomorph777 May 2019 #49
Personally I dislike imaginary numbers manor321 May 2019 #2
And irrationals. Don't get me started Xipe Totec May 2019 #19
So... square root of negative pi would be terrible, right? lagomorph777 May 2019 #47
Cardinals are too Catholic for my taste. Long live the Ordinals! Xipe Totec May 2019 #59
I also have Cardinals living in my trees - no ordinals yet. lagomorph777 May 2019 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author central scrutinizer May 2019 #43
However, go to most Arab countries, and you'll find their numerals are different from ours muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #3
Thanks for that! CrispyQ May 2019 #57
Jonah Ryan 2020! superpatriotman May 2019 #4
Laugh all you want, but a Jonah Ryan could be the next Republican nominee. Yavin4 May 2019 #14
as a math teacher I laughed so hard I was about to pee dsc May 2019 #21
roflmaooooo Celerity May 2019 #50
It's official. smirkymonkey May 2019 #5
If I'm unconscious after banging my head against the wall, someone call an ambulance for me. n/t cynatnite May 2019 #6
What was the number again? Saviolo May 2019 #11
... cynatnite May 2019 #12
... FailureToCommunicate May 2019 #15
How do I punch those up in my phone? Pobeka May 2019 #24
... sprinkleeninow May 2019 #27
CMXI actually Midnightwalk May 2019 #39
LOL! n/t Pobeka May 2019 #45
Oh good grief! We're doomed! NurseJackie May 2019 #7
There are a lot of english words to get rid of then defacto7 May 2019 #8
Including 90% of the star and constellation names... AZ8theist May 2019 #26
Oh, there aren't really any stars anyway. defacto7 May 2019 #34
oops, yeah I forgot.. AZ8theist May 2019 #40
Oh..uh... I didn't know all that stuff. Just the.. little angels thing. defacto7 May 2019 #42
oh dear, what a thought. Sentath May 2019 #60
Yall watch "Veep"? Panich52 May 2019 #9
How about this. Mendocino May 2019 #10
Okay fine. Putin, you win. Yavin4 May 2019 #13
I can think of V good reasons why people don't know that our numbers are Arabic. patphil May 2019 #16
What did they think 10 Commandments meant? nt JoeOtterbein May 2019 #17
The Reich wing rubes can't count that high... AZ8theist May 2019 #25
Not true! Fritz Walter May 2019 #54
Exactly. Both Commandments. BadgerKid May 2019 #31
Now you have me wondering which two they would like it to be! nt JoeOtterbein May 2019 #37
What this poll really says Mr.Bill May 2019 #18
Bigotry + ignorance. -- 1,2,3,4,5 Look, morans! Arabic Numerals!! Beartracks May 2019 #20
Even worse is they came from India, not the mid-east. Crash2Parties May 2019 #22
That's true! ProudLib72 May 2019 #41
The dumbing down of America.. AZ8theist May 2019 #23
Actually, the stultification of America burrowowl May 2019 #63
It was in the Onion, right?! burrowowl May 2019 #28
Oh, how we wish it were only in the Onion... highplainsdem May 2019 #32
On one hand we have Arabic numerals sarisataka May 2019 #29
There are good numbers on both hands. nt NCjack May 2019 #33
We could go the way of the Proto Indo-Europeans defacto7 May 2019 #35
LOL KatyMan May 2019 #58
Lots of opposition in Brookings, South Dakota. TexasTowelie May 2019 #30
We actually use Western Arabic numerals. Eastern Arabic numerals are different. Kaleva May 2019 #36
yeah the eastern ones are communist dsc May 2019 #46
LOL lagomorph777 May 2019 #48
Idiocracy... Docreed2003 May 2019 #38
Bigotry and with a yuge helping of ignorance. Nt BootinUp May 2019 #44
ahh, the recipe for boiled trumpkins Celerity May 2019 #51
Down with women's suffrage! tazkcmo May 2019 #52
That's 1,792 morons... HopeAgain May 2019 #53
Count the Wheels! LuvLoogie May 2019 #55
This is why the GOP focused on filling Boards of Education back in the 80s. CrispyQ May 2019 #56
When my doctor gives me my annual senility test kskiska May 2019 #62
I remember learning what "Arabic" numbers are jmowreader May 2019 #64

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
19. And irrationals. Don't get me started
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:33 PM
May 2019

Who wants crazy berserk numbers?

Nobody, that's who.

Bad enough that we have prime numbers.

What about the rest? Are they somehow inferior?

More peasanty?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
47. So... square root of negative pi would be terrible, right?
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:04 AM
May 2019

I like cardinal numbers; they remind me of chess or the middle ages.

Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
3. However, go to most Arab countries, and you'll find their numerals are different from ours
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:59 PM
May 2019

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Arabic_mathematical_notation . It is possible to say those are "Arabic numerals", and hardly anyone in the west is taught them. Particularly confusing is the symbol for 5, that looks more like a 0. So it can look like this note is literally worthless:

CrispyQ

(36,421 posts)
57. Thanks for that!
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:37 PM
May 2019

I wish the US would get over all green bills & go with different colors. Also fewer white men would be nice.

Celerity

(43,102 posts)
50. roflmaooooo
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:11 AM
May 2019
How to Write a Jonah Insult

https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/how-to-write-a-jonah-ryan-insult-on-veep.html


Jonah: I would just like to point out that the official count cannot be trusted.

Furlong: Oh no, Beautiful Mind-fuck, you are not going to desecrate my convention with any more of this Muslim-math nonsense.

Jonah: How do you explain that when I add up my delegates with Christian math—

Buddy: Amen!


Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
24. How do I punch those up in my phone?
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:53 PM
May 2019

If I convert the letters to the keypad it would be 4-9-4-4 ?



Help me I'm so confused!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
8. There are a lot of english words to get rid of then
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:13 PM
May 2019

because they have Arabic origins like
candy, lemon, chemistry, coffee, massage (Turkish to French), tangerine, tariff, zero... there are a lot more....

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
34. Oh, there aren't really any stars anyway.
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:19 PM
May 2019

Those are little angels beckoning us toward the great sphere of heaven that surrounds us who are the center of the universe.

AZ8theist

(5,409 posts)
40. oops, yeah I forgot..
Mon May 13, 2019, 10:32 PM
May 2019

Space is fake.
We never landed on the moon.
The earth is flat.
The sun and moon are only 3000 miles away.
Vaccines cause republicanism.
Prayer will cure any disease or condition.

The glass firmament was put there 6000 years ago.

Jeebus rose from the dead and is due back ANY MINUTE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
42. Oh..uh... I didn't know all that stuff. Just the.. little angels thing.
Mon May 13, 2019, 11:01 PM
May 2019

Good to know there's some reliable education out there.... thanks. I might'a gone ta hell or somewhere bad... like Bakersfield.

Sentath

(2,243 posts)
60. oh dear, what a thought.
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:35 PM
May 2019

Open up the dictionary. If it starts with a-l-vowel it might be in danger.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
9. Yall watch "Veep"?
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:46 PM
May 2019

MSNBC had writer from Veep on few days ago. He was amazed how politicians seem to mirror the show instead of the other way around. One example was Repub who used splitting logs in his ad. Veep had already done that. Now it seems the same character has spawned more The Onion-like reaction. In last 2 episodes he was against Arabic numerals.

What the fuck is this country coming to?!

patphil

(6,150 posts)
16. I can think of V good reasons why people don't know that our numbers are Arabic.
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:29 PM
May 2019

Bring back Roman Numerals!

Fritz Walter

(4,290 posts)
54. Not true!
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:48 AM
May 2019

Unless one or more fingers were amputated.

Just don't ask them to count to 20 -- it takes too long for them to take their shoes off!

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
18. What this poll really says
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:32 PM
May 2019

is that 56% of Americans don't know what Arabic numerals are. Which is just as bad.

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
20. Bigotry + ignorance. -- 1,2,3,4,5 Look, morans! Arabic Numerals!!
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:38 PM
May 2019

Conservatives: Lowering the Bar in America Since (at least) 1980.

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Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
22. Even worse is they came from India, not the mid-east.
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:49 PM
May 2019

They were only introduced to europeans by arab traders.

sarisataka

(18,483 posts)
29. On one hand we have Arabic numerals
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:06 PM
May 2019

On the other we could use Roman numerals

But why do we limit ourselves to those 10 choices?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
35. We could go the way of the Proto Indo-Europeans
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:28 PM
May 2019

They used base 60. It was actually a much more useful system than our base 10.

CrispyQ

(36,421 posts)
56. This is why the GOP focused on filling Boards of Education back in the 80s.
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:33 PM
May 2019

They also funded think tanks to craft their message, like trickle-down-economics and Cadillac queens. And they bought up radio stations to broadcast that message. They got jerks like Limbaugh to poke fun at the word liberal, putting pretty much the whole Democratic Party on the defensive. The GOP has been playing the long game.

I wonder how many how voted against Arabic numerals could even write to 10 in Roman numerals, much less 100?

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
62. When my doctor gives me my annual senility test
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:48 PM
May 2019

where I have to draw a clock with numbers, I always do them in Roman numerals.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
64. I remember learning what "Arabic" numbers are
Wed May 15, 2019, 11:05 AM
May 2019

In the 4th grade, on the first day of class, we had a math quiz: “In Hindu-Arabic numerals, write down these numbers...” and then she read off a list of 25 numbers.

I had never heard the term before so I figured it was just another name for Roman numerals, and wrote it out that way.

Come on...when you’re nine years old and you live in Idaho in the early 1970s, you have no idea numbers have an official name.

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