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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsExxon scientists predicted 415 ppm of carbon dioxide and 1 C temp rise in 1982!
Turns out some of the scientific minds within the oil and gas industry were sharp as tacks, or lucky as sin! Now what are the big wig executives going to say about this?
Internal memos unearthed in InsideClimates Pulitzer-winning 2015 investigation into the company revealed all sorts of solid science being done even as the oil giant sowed doubt in public. Bloomberg reporter Tom Randall revisited the memos in light of the worlds new carbon dioxide milestone and tweeted a graph from one showing just how much Exxon knew what our future would look like.
Its eerie seeing how well the company understood both climate science and the worlds patterns of economic growth built on the back of fossil fuels. Heres that chart, annotated for ease of reading:
https://earther.gizmodo.com/exxon-predicted-2019-s-ominous-co2-milestone-in-1982-1834748763
drray23
(7,627 posts)Who knew all about the cancerous effect of their products and yet paid lobbyists to advocate otherwise.
True Dough
(17,301 posts)It's a great watch. Very suspenseful.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)misanthrope
(7,411 posts)The tobacco issue ran some industries into the red. In this case, the biosphere becomes inhospitable.
Doodley
(9,088 posts)future generations would suffer in ways we cannot imagine. Yet they chose to lie and carry on plundering the Earth. This is the act of evil men who put their own greed over all others.
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)Its insane that we are to this point.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I bet thats within 5 years.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That seems like a key difference between this and tobacco
True Dough
(17,301 posts)"It's pretty clear that their strategy was the same as tobacco's," Oreskes told me this week. "Delay looked to them as a smart business choice, and it may have been."
Of the company's internal reports and peer-reviewed papers, more than 80% acknowledged that global warming was real and human-caused. Only 2% expressed doubt, and in those cases the doubt reflected a conventional scientific caution about making categorical findings. Of the advertorials taking a position, however, 81% expressed doubt. Typical, Supran and Oreskes say, was a 1997 advertorial citing a "knowledge gap" in climate science and suggesting that a scientific consensus had not been reached although by then it had.
Exxon Mobil has responded to the reporting by denying that its scientists reached firm conclusions about climate change that the company hid or suppressed while it was placing skeptical "advertorials" in the press. In a statement issued after the signing of the Paris climate agreement in 2016, the company said it "unequivocally" rejected allegations that it "suppressed climate change research," and said it understands that "climate change is real."
https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-exxonmobil-20170822-story.html
anarch
(6,535 posts)because profit is far more of a priority to them than leaving a habitable world for future generations?
Do you mean...(gulp)...science has been aware of the risks associated with increased atmospheric carbon for some time, and industry has just flat out ignored (or more accurately, suppressed) any warnings about how, you know, "hey guys, you should probably cut back some on all that fossil-fuel burning if you want your grandchildren to be able to survive on the planet"?? Why, that would imply that cynical, inhuman corporate entities are making decisions that ignore the welfare of humanity...
oh by the way, here's an article from 19-fucking-12 that talks about how increased CO2 content tends to increase the effect of atmospheric heat retention:
link to archived original newspaper--'Rodney and Otamatea Times, Waitemata and Kaipara Gazette' (New Zealand), 14 August 1912
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ROTWKG19120814.2.56.5
Oneironaut
(5,492 posts)I wouldnt be surprised if even studying global warming is outright banned by the GOP one day.
anarch
(6,535 posts)the escalation will be, they start jailing scientists for speaking out. Would anyone be surprised at this point?