WTF??? a 14 year old **American** girl is deported to Bogata and is now in jail there??????

[Stinky The Clown]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57352431-504083/report-missing-texas-14-year-old-mistakenly-deported-to-colombia/

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Report: Missing Texas 14-year-old mistakenly deported to Colombia

(CBS) DALLAS - A 14-year-old Texas girl who has been missing since 2010 was mistakenly deported to Colombia by immigration agents and is now sitting in a detention facility waiting to come home.

According to CBS affiliate KHOU Jakadrien Turner ran away from home in the fall of 2010 following her parents divorce and the death of her grandfather. She ended up in Houston, where she was arrested for theft. The girl gave police a fake name, which apparently belonged to a 22-year-old illegal immigrant from Colombia, who had warrants for her arrest.

KHOU reports that ICE took the girl's fingerprints, but didn't confirm her identity before deporting her.

Jakadrien is African-American and reportedly speaks no Spanish.

>snip<

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Swell, huh?

Record deportations! Go Team!

[spooky3]

1. And has been told (according to her grandmother) she has to pay for the ticket home.

Lawrence O'Donnell reported this.

[spanone]

2. jeeez

[LadyHawkAZ]

3. Her own fault for being a runaway of the wrong skin tone

and giving a fake name to police I'm sure.

Unfuckingbelievable.

[Snake Alchemist]

10. or using a false identity who was also her

boyfriend's drug mule. That was probably a mistake.

[EFerrari]

43. She's fourteen.

[Snake Alchemist]

54. I would wager most 14 year old's don't have similar problems. nt

[EFerrari]

71. What does that mean to you?

Yes, she had a hand in her problems. But at fourteen, your brain isn't even mature yet. That's why the age of consent is not 14 and why 14 year olds can't be emancipated and so on.

[Snake Alchemist]

83. What crimes should 14 year old's be exempted for? If she was who she said she was, should she

have been deported?

[EFerrari]

91. If anything, there was a crime committed against her by the agencies entrusted

with her well being, and I hope her family sues the pants off of them.

[Snake Alchemist]

92. You did not answer: If she had been who she claimed to be, should she have been deported? nt

[CreekDog]

100. she shouldn't be deported for crimes she didn't commit

and she was.

[Snake Alchemist]

105. If you claim to commit crimes, then sometimes you are punished for those crimes.

Maybe she wanted to go to Columbia for her "boyfriend." A lot is unknown.

[CreekDog]

114. while announcing your ignorance of the topic

you are casting for reasons to say what happened was okay with you and should be defended.

interesting use of your precious time.

[Snake Alchemist]

122. Please release the details of the case you worked on.

I will release mine.

She was 14 year old with a 30 year old drug dealer as a "boyfriend."

She did not want to go home for fear of punishment so when she was arrested she claimed to be her "boyfriend's" drug mule (why this person is unknown)

She was then deported based on this information.

We do not know if her or the drug mules prints or DNA were on file.

Please fill in what you know.

[riderinthestorm]

141. At 14 years old, if she had committed those crimes, she would have had the same warrant out for her

arrest as the 22 year old. She would have been tried in juvie court as a US citizen and placed in detention appropriate for a 14 year old juvie offender.

I'm not sure what you are asking. If ICE actually had the 22 year old, then she would be deported as per ICE regulations and there would be no brouhaha.

Fact is, there were fingerprints for the 22 year old on file. Those certainly did not match the 14 year old's fingerprints (which were also on file as a runaway in the Missing Child registry).

ICE screwed up. They did not wait for identity verification before they deported this girl. they had the necessary tools to do the job properly but they didn't.

[Snake Alchemist]

212. Please link to where 22 year old's prints were on file. nt

[CreekDog]

99. yes, if a 14 year old says the wrong thing, it's okay to deport them to Colombia

got any more pearls of wisdom for us?

[Snake Alchemist]

125. If she claimed she was responsible for another crime and all that existed was her claim

what would you have suggested be done?

[CreekDog]

137. what if she wants to drink?

hey, if she says she wants to drink, why not?

oh but if they want to deport her to Colombia, then that's okay.

if she said she was Hitler, should she have been executed for War Crimes?

[Snake Alchemist]

138. If you can't be identified, but have committed a crime what is your suggestion?

I've actually always been curious about this.

[CreekDog]

140. you're saying to punish the unidentified child for a crime of an identified adult?

you're beyond ridiculous here --and you're changing the subject.

[Snake Alchemist]

144. this girl identified herself. NT

[CreekDog]

145. and if she said she was Halle Berry, would you serve her alcohol?

Berry is after all, old enough to drink?

[Snake Alchemist]

148. you see no difference between the two claims? nt

[CreekDog]

152. you think what happened to her was okay, you think ICE was careful enough

that the amount of checking they did of her before shipping her off was sufficient and appropriate.

surely you think that shipping a minor (or potentially shipping a minor off to Colombia) would warrant as much verification as a person the same age trying to buy alcohol --or should it be less? you keep saying the checking they did was enough.

what you're saying is they did enough checking of her to send her to Colombia...

even though the person they were thinking she is was a Colombian who spoke Spanish and she spoke none.

even though the person they were thinking she is was 22 and she apparently 14.

you think it was enough checking. but when asked if it was enough checking to permit the purchase of alcohol --you won't answer.

because for some reason, the amount of proof you feel is needed for a person to buy alcohol is more than you think should be needed to deport a black American child to Colombia.

yeah, you have defended what happened to her and to find out that you think more proof is needed to buy alcohol than you feel is needed to deport her --shame on you.

[Snake Alchemist]

155. Never said any of that.

I just realize that we have very few facts at this point. I will answer your questions to the best of my abilities.

I agree, but who said they didn't?

How much checking did they do?

How do you identify a Columbian? Torture her until she speaks Spanish?

All 14 year olds look 14 or younger?

You ask for ID when purchasing alcohol. Did she have ID?

Never said any of the rest.

[xmas74]

180. But law enforcement should have waited for verification from the fingerprints

before beginning deportation procedures. From what I've read, the woman the warrant was issued for had a set of fingerprints on file. Also, the fourteen year old had been fingerprinted in the past. (Didn't say why-probably a Child Safe program run by a school or civic group in the past.)

If they had awaited a result from the fingerprints they would have come back as not a match for their suspect and would have immediately pinged a hit from the Missing Persons databases.

It was sloppy work.

[Snake Alchemist]

181. Please point to what you have read.

I'm sure there is new info coming out on this all the time.

[xmas74]

188. CBS News

"KHOU reports that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) took the girl's fingerprints, but didn't confirm her identity before deporting her. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57352431-504083/report-missing-texas-14-year-old-mistakenly-deported-to-columbia/

[Snake Alchemist]

189. But we do not know if hers or her claimed identity's finger prints were on file.

We will definitely be getting more info.

[CreekDog]

175. they should verify that you are who they *think* you are

maybe they cannot identify her, but they can identify that the suspect IS NOT her.

otherwise, they can just deport people with the names of criminals.

there are people here who have the same name as criminals and criminals who have no legal right to be in the USA.

if they're as careless about folks in here with that issue, then those people, those DUers can be just as easily deported.

yes, a law enforcement agency that routinely thinks people are lying to it anyway, should do a bit of checking before doing something major, by accident, like oh, DEPORTING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN CHILD who doesn't speak Spanish to a Spanish speaking nation, thinking she was an adult a decade older who was a native of that country.

a minimum level of checking either the child or the person she was purported to be would've revealed something to indicate they were about to make a major mistake.

but no matter, a girl's life may have been ruined and you and I will probably pay for it in big ways financially --all because they couldn't do a minimum of checking to see if she was who she said she was.

[Snake Alchemist]

179. I don't disagree.

I was just wondering what would happen if you were pulled over for a DUI, but had no ID and refused to give ID. Or had no ID, but just gave a name.

[xmas74]

182. I used to work in a police department.

You would be brought in, you would be fingerprinted and photographed, and you would be released into someone's custody. That person would more than likely need to be someone local, with good ID and proof of where they live. The bail would be just enough that you would probably need a bail bondsman, which means more than one person will be keeping an eye on you.

You would not be released on a personal recognizance bond. There might be a possibly follow-up within 24-48 hours from someone dropping off paperwork at your residence. (Some places will do this for further proof of where you live.)

[Snake Alchemist]

184. So if no one claimed you, would you be detained indefinitely?

Thanks, you are answering something I've wondered about for a very long time.

[xmas74]

190. You would go in front of a judge

for an arraignment, same as anyone else. The judge would then make an initial assessment as to what kind of risk you might be to yourself and to the public, whether to bring another agency in, etc.

[Snake Alchemist]

192. Interesting.

I'm wondering how the heck a judge would do that without knowing your identity. By looking at you?

[xmas74]

198. If you do not seem as though you are

capable of being released you'll be referred for other services. Otherwise, the judge has the right (and is supposed to) demand info proving where you reside before release.

Most get arrested, give all info during booking, and then bond out before making it to court. The judge can decide that your info isn't valid, that without proper ID you are a flight risk, etc.

If they don't know who you are and have no proof of ties to the community, you can be held as a flight risk. Pretty simple. Anyone who has ever watched a procedural show has heard talk of a flight risk during arraignment. If the person seems to have no ties to the community they can be judged a flight risk-that would include not being able to provide some proof of identity.

[CreekDog]

186. so if I get pulled over for a DUI and say that I'm Joseph Mengele

the worst of the worst war criminals.

does ICE just shrug their shoulders and deport me? or perhaps is there something more that they should do before taking that step?

and yes, if they can't identify the DUI arrestee, they'll hold them at least until they can, but in no case should they be unsure when they're actually deporting somebody.

because now, we're having trouble getting this minor child back, and it seems like things have happened to her while she was gone --and she never should've been deported in the first place.

just imagine that you have the same name as a terrorist or criminal...if they did the amount of checking they did for this girl --you could find yourself deported and facing extraordinary rendition.

this begs for better verification and apologists for NOT doing so are justifying some pretty awful stuff in the process.

[Snake Alchemist]

187. I will wait for more info on the case. I suggest you do the same.

I was just curious if they could indefinitely detain you if they couldn't verify your identity and no one came forward to vouch for you.

[xmas74]

199. You're a flight risk.

You can be detained until trial if you're deemed a flight risk.

[Scairp]

174. She should have claimed to be Tahitian

At least that way she would have been deported to a lovely paradise. I've been doing battle on another thread about this girl. Some seem to think that while, ok, she shouldn't have been deported, she gave a false name which very unfortunately belonged to an adult Columbian woman wanted for something, so therefore she bears at least partial responsibility for what happened. I guess the idiots at immigration can't tell the difference between a 14 year old American girl who is black and speaks no Spanish and an adult Columbian woman who does. I guess waiting for the prints to match would have been too much trouble, although these days it takes minutes, hours at the most. Whoever signed the deportation order needs to have their head examined and then they need to be fired, minus their government pension. Just inexcusable

[Snake Alchemist]

178. Just out of curiosity

Can Black people not live in Colombia? And how do you make someone speak Spanish? Do you just know by their accents?

[Scairp]

183. Um yeah

If a person is only 22, born in Columbia, they probably have an accent, even if their english is very good. And to my knowledge, fingerprints don't have an accent and only speak one language. People who are native to Columbia don't always have an indiginous look, often they look European. I'm not that dumb, but immigration clearly are. Fingerprints people. Her fingerprints not matching told the story so how she still ended up deported is an explanation I'd like to hear from them. And it ought to be a doozy. No doubt they will take the tact many have taken, in that she gave them this name, she stuck with it even after she was told she was to be deported, though we don't know what she said when they told her she was being put on a plane to Columbia. And where oh where is the real "Tila Tequila"? Did they ever catch up with her and did she get deported too?

[CreekDog]

196. Agree completely and I can't believe people who defend ICE/DHS on this think they can't be competent

the arguments i've been seeing blame the girl almost completely for the mistake and often justify her deportation on the fact that she lied.

the DHS/ICE defenders actually think DHS/ICE is so stupid and incompetent that they are not capable of doing ANY sort of verification to differentiate that the 14 year old juvenile they deported to Colombia was actually who she said she was, even though the person she claimed to be was familiar to DHS/ICE to the extent that they knew why that person had to be deported. Despite knowing so much about the 22 year old Colombian, they didn't use any of that knowledge to realize that it couldn't possibly be an English speaking, black person born and raised in the USA.

honestly, with defenders like that, making such arguments, i'm not sure DHS/ICE needs any enemies.

[polmaven]

73. The police

may not have known that. The article does not say how old the person whose name she used is. If she was/is of a legal age, then they may have been within their legal rights to deport her.

[EFerrari]

93. She was 14 and no, they fucked up bigtime by not even checking. Rights, my granny. nt

[CreekDog]

101. you're saying that if they deport a 12-13 year old, they checked thoroughly enough for you?

really?

really when the named person was 22, and they deported someone who was 12-13?

that was enough checking?

does Hillary think that too?

[Snake Alchemist]

106. She is getting younger?

What type of checking did they do?

[CreekDog]

113. apparently none

and if she's 14 now, then when she was deported, in early 2010, she was in fact younger.

generally one's age changes from year to year.

[Snake Alchemist]

123. I had heard in another article that she was 14 when deported.

True story. I was in Nicaragua years ago for a State wedding years ago when I was hit on by a gorgeous girl that had caught my eye earlier. We flirted and danced and then she asked how old I was as we went to the bar to get a drink. 24 I replied. She giggled and said she was 14, but couldn't believe I was 24. She thought nothing of it, but I had to gracefully exit. A little embarrassed and a little flattered.

That was a real eye opener. Could have been very awkward had I not found out.

[Scairp]

202. No, she's older now

The family says she ran away in 2010, which is about 18 months, two years ago, depending on when she took off, and the assumption is that she was 13 going on 14 at that time, although her actual date of birth is something I don't know. She was 14 by the time she was arrested and deported to Columbia but has turned 15 since being deported. And being impregnated, another crime committed against her. BTW, she is home now, so let's begin the Inquisition into how this happened. I want heads to roll as much as her family does. I really don't care what she's done, how cunning she is (cunning enough to fool the fools who work for us and Columbia), or how much she has lied. She is a troubled girl who needs help, especially since she's pregnant, and as a minor is allowed to behave irresponsibly, like all kids, and not be victimized in this way. Jesus, you'd think those demonizing her never had a bad moment as a kid or a have kids who screw up big time. Beggar’s belief.

[walerosco]

117. But in NY

if you have sex with a 13yrs old, you will go to jail even if she tricked you with a fake ID saying she was 18yrs +. If a regular civilian cannot get a pass, then the police shouldnt get one. Lock em up in jail and throw away the keys, that should serve em right

[barbtries]

74. is she 14 now?

which would make her 12 or 13 when she was deported.

[tammywammy]

78. She's 15 now, 14 when deported.

The Colombian woman's name she gave was of a 22 year old. There's a lot of teens that look much older than they are.

[obamanut2012]

61. She didn't have a boyfriend

I wish DUers would quit calling the 30-year-old man who raped and used her that. Kids that age do not have boyfriends that are 30.

[etherealtruth]

201. That was my first thought ...

She was caught with her abuser. WTF is wrong with people

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. You know how common is for runaway kids to

Give the wrong name?

In this case do continue blaming the victim. The real person is 24 and still missing. So how did ice confuse 14 with 24 on the bloody record?

[Blue_Tires]

4. so what has she been doing in Colombia to survive?

and where is her 'real' namesake??

[RC]

6. Well Colombia officials gave her a work card and she is reportedly pregnant.

Does that answer your question?

[tammywammy]

9. From the OP article:

""She talked about how they had her working in this big house cleaning all day, and how tired she was," Turner said."

And here:
"After months of searching, Jakadrien's grandmother tracked the missing teen down on Facebook, discovering her in Bogota with an apparent job as a maid."
http://gawker.com/5873138/teen-girl-mistakenly-deported-now-trapped-in-foreign-prison-and-pregnant

And here:
"June 23, 9:33 a.m. and 10:02 a.m.: She says that she works doing translation for foreign people who are visiting or traveling. She said that she works at an "airplane company," starting at $15 and up. She also said she is a maid for the elderly making $20 an hour."
http://dallasisdblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/01/dallas-runaway-who-was-deporte.html

[Blue_Tires]

12. Now the whole thing makes even less sense

1. How is she doing translating (or any other kind of job) with no proper ID, no friends or relatives there, and no language skills?? And with that in mind, how does she get food/clothing/shelter, much less find the time to maintain her FB page?? (Well, probably little if anything on the FB page is accurate...Pulling in $20/hr as a maid??)


2. When mistakenly deported, how does she not have the awareness to contact the U.S. Consulate? And if she can update a FB page, why isn't every post to her friends back home "CONTACT THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND GET ME THE HELL OUTTA HERE!"???

[justiceischeap]

15. Not everyone knows to contact the State Department, let alone that there is one. nt

[seabeyond]

19. a 15 yr old knows how to pick up a phone and dial, anyway.

sounds like she was fine staying there.

[justiceischeap]

20. That very well could be true but it doesn't have anything to do with my reply.

She may have been happy to stay there which still doesn't mean she knows there is a state dept.

My biggest issue with this whole story isn't whether or not she knew how to get home but the fact that a minor was deported without having her prints taken or her identity verified. Wasn't there a story not too long ago about a guy picked up in Alabama because they "thought" he was illegal? There needs to be better control and procedures with ICE. They shouldn't be allowed to deport people without verification of their true identities.

[seabeyond]

21. i am not arguing the exportation. you had stated state dept

and though a teen may not know about the dept, there are other ways a teen could figure out how to get home

so we are talking across one another

[justiceischeap]

30. I was replying to the guy that stated she should have called the State Dept.

So, yeah, cross-talking and missing context.

[seabeyond]

32. wink, lol. nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

76. 2 guys arrested in Ala for being "illegals"

One was a Chinese businessman, owns a business here.
The other was a German, associated with the German Thyssunkrupp steel mill not too far from my town.
Both did not have ( and did not need) Alabama driver's licenses, but were arrested, cars towed, etc by the Ala. police
( no thinking skills required for the job, apparently)
and all hell broke loose.

[DocMac]

135. Are you going to tell us what happened to them? nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

143. They threatened to sue

and the state got a lot of bad publicity for being anti-foreign business, the governor's office apologized.
Nothing really "happened" because all hell broke loose immeidately after the arrests.

The 2 guys were arrested at different times in small towns, if I remember correctly,
the local gendarmes there had not thought about the implications of what they were doing.

[DocMac]

158. Thanks for the info. nt

[Blue_Tires]

35. i know, that was just an example...

I just don't understand how or why she didn't do any of a dozen things even a lost 8-year-old would know to do...(i.e., telling the police you're a lost American and need help), and the facebook stuff is just bizarre (on the huge assumption that the account is real and she's telling the truth in her posts)...Reads almost like someone on vacation or in self-imposed exile or the Peace Corps or something...

Secondly, does she or does she not know spanish? I'm getting conflicting reports on this...I don't know how she'd even get a job digging ditches if the media is accurate about her not knowing a single word, much less a work permit or any kind of official identification...

[Charlemagne]

47. Thinking back to what I would do

Grab a phone book, look up the dialing code for making a call to the US. Then calling random numbers until somebody got help.


But she probably cant read spanish. So that option is moot.

[Ian David]

40. I would have known to find an embassy, but only because I remember what happened in Iran...

... so I learned at an early age what an embassy is for.

[Ilsa]

38. At age 15 I wouldn't have known to look for

A US embassy or consulate, andi was no dummy, just naive.

I don't know why she didn't try to call home. Maybe she tried, but the call didn't route. Maybe she did not have access to a phone.

[justiceischeap]

49. Even though I suspect she didn't want to go home

I doubt she would know how to dial home. How many people know how to automatically dial what would ultimately be a foreign phone number. When you're calling another country, just dialing your home number won't work. I had a friend in the UK at the age of 30something I had to look up on how to dial the number.

[Blue_Tires]

107. couldn't get access to a phone but could update facebook??

??

if she can get on FB she can e-mail any friend, relative or authority

[metalbot]

39. Because she didn't want to be found

There's an Austin immigration attorney who consulted on this case who posted on another message board. If I can find his post, I'll copy it here.

This girl ran away from her family to be with her 30 year old drug dealing boyfriend in Houston. When arrested, she didn't pick a name arbitrarily, she specifically picked the name of a drug mule associate of her boyfriend, and continued insisting that she was the illegal alien throughout deportation hearings, since she did not want to be returned pregnant to her family.

Clearly, someone should have verified the prints, but it's hard to argue that the system "failed her" when she kept her fake identify throughout her deportation hearing.

[obamanut2012]

42. She didn't have a 30-year-old boyfriend

14-year-old girls don't have 30-year-old boyfriends. They have 30-year-old rapists and users and manipulators. If what the person posted on the other board was even true.

[October]

210. Thank you for this post. So appropriate.

[EFerrari]

50. We have juvenile courts for precisely these cases.

You think no teenager has ever tried to conceal their identity or whereabouts from their family? That's what juvenile courts are mandated to handle. The system failed miserably here.

[Snake Alchemist]

55. I doubt a presumed illegal alien would be tried in juvenile court. nt

[obamanut2012]

63. It was very easy to show she wasn't the wanted Colombian woman

ICE just didn't care.

[Snake Alchemist]

89. You worked on the case as well? nt

[neverforget]

149. The finger prints would show that she's not the wanted woman.

Not hard to figure out.

[Snake Alchemist]

156. So we're sure she had fingerprints on file?

Are we also sure the drug mule had fingerprints on file?

[fascisthunter]

206. are you seriously trying to defend ICE?

holy shit... not doing a good job of it.

[Snake Alchemist]

213. No.

Plenty of blame to go around. Both the girl and ICE are at fault.

[EFerrari]

69. Why? Documented or not, they are still human and when minors, still juveniles.

[Snake Alchemist]

90. I do not believe there is a juvenile immigration court.

That was the matter they were deciding.

[EFerrari]

96. CPS, juvenile authorities and immigration work together all the time. nt

[Snake Alchemist]

97. Yes, but if you are being charged with immigration violations then you go to the appropriate court.

nt

[Gormy Cuss]

52. The system failed her because she was a minor. n/t

[Snake Alchemist]

57. It failed her because of her lies and her insistense on sticking with them. nt

[obamanut2012]

65. Wrong -- they didn't do due diligence

They didn't do their jobs.

[Snake Alchemist]

85. You oversaw the case? nt

[LanternWaste]

102. I imagine your absolutist conclusion warrants the same...

I imagine your absolutist conclusion warrants the same...

"You oversaw the case, too?"

[Snake Alchemist]

104. My conclusion is anything but absolute

I conclude that we don't know what information we had on the identity she claimed to be or what information she supplied other than a name.

[LanternWaste]

159. a most absolute statement, with no room for variation or interpretation...

"It failed her because of her lies and her insistense on sticking with them..."

Is a most absolute statement, with no room for variation or interpretation as to both cause and blame.

[Snake Alchemist]

160. That is definitely a part of it.

To deny that is to deny the obvious. Not to say there are not others to blame or more info to come.

[LanternWaste]

166. Yet still an absolute statement lacking any relevant proofs

Yet still an absolute statement lacking any relevant proofs (other than "the obvious...&quot



However, I do realize we often hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves; e.g., when we imply and criticize one person for stating something as as absolute when we do the same ourselves.

[Snake Alchemist]

168. No proof she lied?

If we can't believe that, then maybe she was never sent to Colombia.

[LanternWaste]

169. You may believe or disbelieve anything you want to...

You may believe or disbelieve anything you want to...



You may believe it was indeed her fault as well... but that belief offers little to no proofs.

"f we can't believe that, then maybe she was never sent to Colombia..."

Much like a fifteen ear old who lies about her age to a 52 year old man who then rapes her. By following your path, maybe she was simply never raped.

[Snake Alchemist]

170. Since neither or either may or may not have happened or not happened somewhere or nowhere then

we may or may not ever know.

[LanternWaste]

172. However you imply that you know...

However you imply that you know this...

"It failed her because of her lies and her insistense on sticking with them...."

[Gormy Cuss]

72. Her lies don't explain how ICE failed to see through the false identity.

ICE wouldn't be able to ID her properly but proving that the person in custody was the wanted individual is step one. The woman with the warrants had her fingerprints were in the system which suggests that her photo probably was available too. Unless this kid is a dead ringer for a Colombian national her lies are the least problematic part of this story.

[Snake Alchemist]

86. Speculation. Not sure what was on file for the drug mule.

Could have been just a name, but that is just speculation as well.

[fascisthunter]

207. SO, a 14 year old can fool ICE... that is so embarrassing

you need to stop defending them. You are actually making them look worse to thinking human beings.

[Snake Alchemist]

214. Yes, can happen. Frank Abagnale also fooled a lot of adults. nt

[Blue_Tires]

108. OK, now it's starting to add up...

thanks for the insight

[EFerrari]

46. That can't be 15 and 20 dollars. It must be pesos.nt

[lonestarnot]

5. What in the holy fucking hell was that!

Unfuckingbelievable!

[fishwax]

7. wtf

[Odin2005]

8. That is. Seriously. Fucked. Up.

[MADem]

11. Two wrongs don't make a right!

It doesn't matter what reprehensible behavior the kid engaged in up to her incarceration. What matters is that the government failed to do due diligence and positively identify the child before they wrongly deported her.

If that kid can get home and get the right lawyer, she will be rich.

[Octafish]

13. She's lucky a drone didn't take her out permanently.

Like happened to that 16-year old who happened to be related to a terrorist we took out. Just because they both were citizens doesn't mean their entitled to a trial or anything, anymore.

http://www.allgov.com/ViewNews/Third_US_Citizen_Killed_by_Obamas_Yemen_Drone_Strikes_was_a_16_Year_Old_Boy_111020



Kid even looked like a terrorist.

[msanthrope]

22. Horrible. It's sad that Ibrahim al-Banna, the drone target allowed civilians near him.

You'd think that AQAP's media director would have stayed away from the civilian population, given the drone strikes that had already happened.

Poor kid. With a terrorist for a father, I don't think he had much chance at a normal, safe life.

[RZM]

112. Why is that?

Does the US government regularly carry out drone strikes in Houston or Bogota?

[Octafish]

127. The fact they carry them out at all is the problem.

When they carry them out against U.S. citizens without trial at the whim of the president -- on on innocent people around the world in the name of freedom -- it's all our problem.

For those interested in learning more:

The Al-Awlaki Slippery Slope: U.S. Drone Now Killed Innocent 16-Year-Old American Son

http://www.whistleblower.org/blog/31-2010/1550-the-al-awlaki-slippery-slope-us-drone-now-killed-innocent-16-year-old-american-son

[RZM]

129. I see your point

But what on earth does it have to do with this case?

[Octafish]

131. The authorities determined the girl was a wanted woman and kicked her out of the country.

The authorities determined the boy was a terrorist and killed him without a trial.

Both children were citizens of the United States denied due process of law.

[RZM]

134. You'd have a better point if the girl had given her real name

And they still deported her. But she apparently insisted that she was someone else for some time. They determined that she was the other person in large part because she claimed to be.

Again, this could have been avoided if she'd just told the truth, which is what you're supposed to do if you want to avoid things like being deported by mistake.

I'm not letting ICE off of the hook here. They screwed up royally. But I just don't see the argument that it's indicative of anything other than incompetence. I see no malevolent agenda here, just a somebody who duped a system that is not immune to being duped.

[surfdog]

14. I hope she learned her lesson

She tried to deceive the police and her deception work so well she got deported

I have zero pity for this girl

[coalition_unwilling]

16. I hope when the government comes for you someone is there to speak up for you, because

Lord knows I will have zero pity for you.

Until that day, though, welcome to my Ignore list.

[surfdog]

18. Excuse me ?

When the police or the government ask my name I give my real name

You're implying that the reason she got deported is because someone wasn't there to speak up for her

Completely absurd

[Enrique]

24. and if you did lie to the police

they wouldn't deport you to Colombia. I'm working under the assumption that you are white.

[Snake Alchemist]

58. If I told them I was a Columbian drug mule they might. nt

[obamanut2012]

64. Who didn't match the description

Or fingerprints of said wanted drug mule?

Oh, right. They didn't check any of that.

[Snake Alchemist]

84. They had her fingerprints on file? nt

[EFerrari]

53. We have federal standards for child abuse prevention. We have juvenile court systems.

It's not absurd at all. Fourteen years olds can't take care of themselves.

[ScreamingMeemie]

154. She's a kid for Gods sakes...

This post is completely absurd.

[joeglow3]

44. Another person who needs to announce the usage of the ignore list

I never understood that. Is it to satisfy some need?

[RZM]

116. You make it sound like this was the Dreyfus case or something

As if the government had some sort of vendetta against this particular girl and was ignoring all the evidence because they were dead set on sending a child to Colombia.

That makes no sense. She created the situation by lying and sticking to her lie for way too long. That being said, I do think the system failed here. They should have been able to properly determine her identity, or at the very least exclude the possibility that she was the woman she claimed to be.

But it's not like this was some grand government conspiracy against a hapless runaway.

[justiceischeap]

17. You don't have to pity the girl but the police are in the wrong here too

At the very least they should have made sure her prints matched her name before deporting her.

[surfdog]

23. I agree

As far as I can see the real reason she was deported is because when the police asked her name she gave the name of an illegal

But hey let's blame the police for falling for her lies

[Enrique]

25. let's NOT blame the police

even when they make the most insane mistake in the world.

[Are_grits_groceries]

26. John McCain is that you?

Get off MY lawn and peddle that RW nonsense somewhere else!

I NEVER thought I would read some of the responses that I have on DU.

[surfdog]

28. Here's a fact some of you just can't handle

If she gave her real name she would've never been deported

Get it yet ? if you don't want to be deported then don't give the name of an illegal alien when the police ask for your name

[Gormy Cuss]

56. Here's a fact. She was 14.

Here's another one: her fingerprints do not match the person she claimed to be. Had a domestic enforcement agency been involved she would have been locked up in a Texas jail because of the false identity. In jail LE would have an incentive to determine her true identity either through her confession or through some interagency sharing of missing persons reports.

[obamanut2012]

66. Did she change her fingerprints to teh wanted woman's?

Get plastic surgery to change her appearance?

She was FOURTEEN. Seventh or eighth grade. It is ridiculous to blame her for this.

[Are_grits_groceries]

77. She was a 14 year old kid who knew she was in trouble for running away.

In those circumstances would you lie to try to stay away from home?

I am sure deportation to Colombia was the last thing she expected. Juvie, jail, go back home, or some option like that was what she thought. Those are reasonable expectations in a rational world.

But no, because she didn't give her effing real name she gets deported to Colombia? She doesn't even speak Spanish and the fact you can't seem to grasp is that she is FOURTEEN years old.

THIS is how our vaunted justice system works? There's no justice in it.

You better hope that if you are ever picked up by the police that you have every single fact correct and carry whatever documentation THEY deem important.

And don't tell me that they would follow every facet of the law. Some do. It's Russian Roulette not justice!

[Snake Alchemist]

88. I would probably tell the truth when they took me to the airport. nt

[EFerrari]

94. The odds for black kids are probably better in Russian Roulette.

That poor family.

[justiceischeap]

31. So, you don't think it is the duty of the police or ICE

to make sure people they are deporting are actually deportable? You'd be okay if some American who had the same name as an illegal got deported. Even if he gave his true name but it coincided with that of an illegal, without verifying they had the right person, it's okay to deport them?

It shouldn't matter that she lied about her name... they should have to participate in due diligence because I'd guess that there are American citizens who carry the same name as illegal aliens.

[LanternWaste]

103. Which appears as absurd as blaming a deportation...

"But hey let's blame the police for falling for her lies..."

Which appears as absurd as blaming a deportation on the lies of a fifteen year old juvenile.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, you see. I imagine that when we look for one and only one cause of blame, we hobble our own ability to process thoughts clearly and without bias.

[obamanut2012]

41. She was a 14-year-old kid

Nice.

[joeglow3]

48. This is where DU confuses me

A week ago, there was a story about a 13 year old who killed a classmate who was gay. Everyone here was shouting that he understood his actions, should be tried as an adult and should face an extremely long prison sentence (up to and including life in prison and/or the death penalty). Now, we are saying "but she was only 14. She does not understand lying to the police is wrong."

[obamanut2012]

60. Please link to where I said that

Because I didn't. I'm not discussing that thread and incident because I didn't post in that thread, and I'm not discussing it now.

She was a minor, she IS a minor, and according to someone in this thread, had a 30-year-old man raping her and using her.

How anyone can blame this kid in anyway for this amazes me. At the very least, ICE had a physical description and fingerprints of the wanted woman. Probably even a photo.

[joeglow3]

133. Never said I blamed you.

Just commenting on the site as a whole. It is amazing how the 2 unrelated threads, as a whole, can end up with 2 completely different conclusions (one says a 13 year IS capable of understanding their actions and one says a 14 year old cannot). Nothing about any poster in particular.

[Gormy Cuss]

62. Compare the posters here with the posters on that thread.

I'll bet that you'll find that none of the "everyone here shouting that he understood his actions" posters are in this thread saying that "she was only 14."

[obamanut2012]

68. Exactly

[Posteritatis]

194. Any case of "everyone" on DU agreeing on anything involving kids is fictitious. (nt)

[joeglow3]

197. You're a little late. I addressed this already. nt.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

79. she doesn't need your pity, nor does she need anything else from you

Pity isn't an emotion that's has many practical applications; therefore, your lack of pity for this girl is meaningless.

However, your mean-spiritedness is not meaningless. It's shameful, as a matter of fact.

By the way, the police lie to citizens every day. It's a part of their job description.

[ceile]

161. Most ridulous thing I've read on this thread so far n/t

[NorthCarolina]

27. But, but, but...she "Looked" Columbian.... nt

[surfdog]

29. Oh please stop already

There are millions of white people in Columbia

[justiceischeap]

33. I believe this young woman is African-American... so, um, yeah. nt

[WillyT]

51. Yep...

From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002119819

[rusty fender]

34. Is it just me, or do others think

that the entire Homeland Security dep't. reeks of the Gestapo? Since the Bush regime started referring to the U.S. as the "Homeland" all I can think of is how Nazi-like that is. And, as it turns out, is Janet Napolitano the biggest jack-booted thug of them all?

[G_j]

37. not just you

you are correct

[obamanut2012]

45. That's what I thought the first time I heard the name

Creepy.

[Starry Messenger]

67. I think so too.

[Blue_Tires]

124. Sadly, even the Gestapo was at least halfway competent in their duties

[G_j]

36. criminal negligence nt

[Stinky The Clown]

59. By the way . . . the name of the country in which Bogata is located is spelled C-O-L-O-M-B-I-A

Columbia is the name of a number of American cities and the last word of the American capitol's formal name, District of Columbia.

Columbia is also a Gem of the Ocean.

ColOmbia is a South American nation.

Just sayin' . . . . .

[Gormy Cuss]

70. Bogotá

Just sayin'

[Stinky The Clown]

95. Touche!

Just sayin'

(while laughing at my pompous self!)

[malaise]

75. African American

Apparently, that's enough for deportation

[RZM]

120. What?

Do you have any evidence that the US government regularly deports African-Americans because of the color of their skin?

[Ecumenist]

200. Honey, having a permanent tan and permed hair has always been enough

for anything damning or evil in this country.

[Marrah_G]

80. The poor thing

This story is infuriating

[octothorpe]

111. From the sounds of it, she wanted to leave the country...

That doesn't excuse the incompetence of the agency that allowed for a 14yr old to be deported though.

*edit*
Actually, I misread part of the article that made me think she was trying to leave the country... Now I'm even more confused how this happened. I wonder if there is any more information on this now...

[Marrah_G]

118. It boggles the mind how they could mistake her for a 22 year old Columbian woman

The story reeks of complete incompetence. I hope more then a few people lose their jobs over this.

[treestar]

81. ICE might not have realized she was 14

But they should have waited for the fingerprints to come back first.

It is also odd that Colombia accepted her - she must have had the illegal alien's passport and/or looked like her.

[Are_grits_groceries]

126. According to a report on MSNBC, they did come back.

They didn't match, but apparently that didn't stop them.

The kid picked a name out of the air. It was her luck to pick the name of someone wanted for some crime.

She was also in a database that was established to report missing kids.

[treestar]

128. Maybe ICE should have access to that database

I would think finding missing kids trumps deporting illegal aliens.

[flamingdem]

132. Apparently she picked an associate of her boyfriend

and this woman was a criminal, like her boyfriend.

The news media is doing a bad job on this because it serves them to create outrage and sell with it

[obamanut2012]

147. He was NOT her boyfriend, please quit saying that

A 14-year-old cannot have a 30-year-old boyfriend. He is a child molester and rapist. I don't care how "juvie" the kid may be.

[arbusto_baboso]

87. Well, she's not white, so she's not a "real" American...

According to most right-wingers.

[aikoaiko]

98. If we didn't follow policy in veifying ID, then ultimately we're to blame, but the girl

sure didn't help matters.

[octothorpe]

110. How many people allowed this to happen without questioning it?

I mean, I can understand one slacker jut pushing papers through, but I'm assuming there had have been more than one person who saw all this, right?

Isn't it kind of their job to catch stuff like this, or at least part of their job?

[flamingdem]

115. This story seems to be an excuse for outrage generation

The facts are not in and there is some logic behind what happened. Yet many want to hyperventilate including Msnbc

Outrage sells.

[Marrah_G]

119. they deported a 14 year old girl.......

People should not be outraged?

[flamingdem]

130. No. The real story appears to be complex.

She was in trouble with gangbanger friends of her gangbanger boyfriend. At least that was stated by someone on another thread. Thus, she probably kept quiet and agreed about being deported. Someone here without papers cannot be identified in our system so they went with logic. Why would a 14 year old want to go to Colombia? Well, she had reasons to get out of dodge. Also, she was pregnant and didn't want her family to find out.

Who in the world could have figured that out if she did not speak?

Some people probably think there are no people of African descent in Colombia, that is incorrect.

AND she had a facebook account and could have contacted her family anytime.

[Stinky The Clown]

139. She is Fourteen Years Old

[flamingdem]

150. She could have contacted her family or told immigration at any time

People get deported, it's a fact, age is not a reason to keep someone in the USA.

She fooled the system on purpose, so why be outraged that this happened.

[Posteritatis]

195. Your complete awareness of her family/home situation fascinates me. (nt)

[ecstatic]

142. I just checked out her FB page

Weird... She appeared to be happy there, at least for a little while. http://www.facebook.com/tsolotoolonq?sk=wall

[RZM]

121. Everyone needs to calm down here

So far, this looks like a standard case of bureaucratic bungling, which was made possible by the girl's lying about her identity. ICE probably should have figured out what was going on here, but it's not the first time the system has failed. These kinds of things do happen from time to time. Mistakes are inevitable in large institutions like this. Doesn't mean we shouldn't take people to task when they happen, but it's not out of the ordinary at all.

Remember this?

http://articles.cnn.com/2002-03-12/us/inv.flight.school.visas_1_huffman-aviation-ins-student-processing-center-tourist-visas?_s=PM:US

[Fourier]

136. Apparently she is a liar, a thief and an idiot. Don't we have more than enough Republicans already

???

[Catherina]

146. Outrageous. Unacceptable! n/t

[Quartermass]

153. Actually this is a funny story. Well, except for her getting pregnant, but otherwise humorous.

And she wouldn't have been deported if she had been honest and presented them with the proper identification in the first place.

The cops were doing their jobs the best way they knew how, and they didn't have enough information on her, so they assumed she was an illegal immigrant, and deported her.

Which they wouldn't have if she'd have presented them with the proper identity. If she had been honest they probably would've either sent her home or held her and notified her parents.

I just love this "she's 14 so she can't think straight on anything and therefore must never be answerable for any action she does" junk attitude.

All because of that arbitrary magical number of 14. That's quite some generalizations there.

Come on people. 14 is old enough to learn things like how to be responsible for one's actions. If she was taught enough responsibility on her own recog, then this whole situation could've been avoided.

And this situation would never have happened in the first place if she hadn't run away from home.

And another thing, just because a teen runs away from, it doesn't always mean abuse. Some teens are over emotional and over react to a lot of things.

Example:

Parents: "No you can't get a tattoo."

Teen: "OH MY GOD! THAT"S ABUSE! I'M GONNA GO TELL CPS AND ALL OF MY FRIENDS ON YOU! STOP ABUSING ME! I'M GONNA RUN AWAY!"

And crap like that.

But somehow, some people must come to an extremely generalized attitude that because the teen is 14 they just can't be responsible, and so on and so forth.

No, we all mature at different rates. Some people are late bloomers, others mature faster than others.

But because they're 14 then obviously that must mean that everybody's all the same, so on and so forth.

Sigh. Some people love to generalize about other people. I'd love to see the day when that ends, but it never will. It's just much easier to go by labels and arbitrary numbers more than getting to know the individual.

[CreekDog]

157. i'm sorry you feel the Dept. of Homeland Security staff can get tricked by a 14 year old

that they are so naive that they don't check id's and documents..

that they can check a random name she gave them and see that it's of someone whom they wanted and yet not know ANY details, yet know enough JUST FROM THAT NAME, to deport the wrong person.

apparently you think they are both completely justified in their mistake AND you also think they are completely incompetent.

[Quartermass]

165. I'm sorry you think they're Gods and can make no mistakes.

Mistakes happen, what you said is just so much hyperbole.

I do not think they're completely incompetent. Stop putting words in my mouth.

And stop scapegoating them because a 14 year old girl was able to pull one over on them.

It happens.

I'm sure a few children have pulled one or two over on you.

So, that must mean you're completely incompetent to handle children.

Mistakes happen from time to time, and the truth of the matter is if she would've been honest in the first place this whole situation could've been avoided.

But she's 14, and everybody's exactly the same at that age.

Good job.

[CreekDog]

167. i'm tired of foolishness --is this the only person with that name in the world?

do they just deport John Smith because another John Smith gets picked up?

is there any checking?

they had records on the person they *thought* they were deporting, that shows they knew a fair amount about that person.

how on earth could they have not been completely careless that they figured out the *named* person was the person that actually had the record and status warranting deportation (and not some other person with the same name) and NOT see that the very characteristics of that person did not match in ANY way, the person they were deporting.

look, they didn't give a shit and you know it and I know it. except you're defending it and it could have been your child or your loved one. and no, a 14 year old giving a fake name and getting deported in the process with apparently NO VERIFICATION of the person's identity or documents or anything casts doubt on every deportation that ICE has ever made.

but keep defending it, you think they DID A GREAT JOB. when you get deported because your name turns up on some database somewhere and they didn't bother to check to see that you were the one they should be deporting --please don't ask us for assistance, you won't be getting it from me. after all i want to respect your request here and now that if ICE is careless with you, that you deserved whatever you got.

[Quartermass]

171. Stop the hyperbole.

It's not foolishness, it was just a mistake.

They did do the best job they can.

All you're doing is scapegoating them.

Stop the foolishness.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because many people won't.

The truth of the matter is if the girl had been HONEST in the first place NONE of this would have ever happened. Something many people are ignoring. Absolve her of all responsibility just because she's 14. Wow, just wow.

Mistakes happen.

And I love how tolerant you are of me because I have a dissenting opinion on the matter.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Holy crap, hoping I get deported and imprisoned just because I disagree with you? Aren't you guys supposed to be more tolerant than the Republican conservatives? You won't help me if i get in trouble just because I disagree with you?

You know, that's the difference between you and me. If you would've gotten into trouble, if I was in a position to, I would be helping you, regardless if I disagreed with you on an issue or not. I also wouldn't be assuming things and putting words in your mouth like you have of me.

Wow. Just wow.

[ceile]

162. Woohoo! Get to use my favorite "facepalm"

[LanternWaste]

173. I imagine an older gentleman would rationalize his actions the same way after a younger teen..

"if she had been honest and presented them with the proper identification in the first place..."

I imagine an older gentleman would rationalize his actions the same way after a younger teen lies to him about her age and he then rapes her. But in the end, it's his moral responsibility and his legal crime.

[Quartermass]

177. This issue is not the same thing as child molestation. I love the stealth insult there.

Boy the dirty tricks people will use to try to shut dissenting opinions up.

I repeat, the responsibility was hers. She is not an innocent in this matter.

[Lasher]

203. I agree with you.

More than anyone else, she is accountable for her deportation. Actions have consequences, even for a 14 year old.

Edit: And FWIW, discussions around here can turn into a hornet's nest if they involve US immigration policy. Regardless, it is possible to engage in fair debate on the subject.

[Quartermass]

208. Thank you.

Insults are one thing, but wishing me harm and calling me a child molester just because I disagree is over the top. It's something I wouldn't do to someone, because I don't really care if someone agrees with me or not. It just doesn't matter to me, and I'm not bothered if someone disagrees with me. For the most part, a few insults here and there usually doesn't bother me, and it tells me more about them than they think. It speaks to how tolerant they really are.

But it does bother me when someone wishes me to come to harm or starts accusing me of being a child molester. That's over the top.

This is something I wouldn't do.

And criticizing an argument is not the same thing as being insulting or wishing someone harm.

They both owe me an apology, but I know it's something I will never get from them, because I'm sure they think they are fully justified and completely right in doing what they did.

And I'm also sure they probably think of me as the enemy now as well just because I disagree with them.

And probably think I'm one of those dirty rotten conservatives to boot.

I haven't reported it for abuse because I don't trust the jury would find in my favor and hide the posts. Besides, the posts have already been done.

Oh well, in a hundred years from now nobody will care and the same thing will happen to somebody else, sad to say.

[pinboy3niner]

163. UPDATE: Jakadrien is on her way home now

CNN just reported that she is on a plane that left Colombia within the last half hour.

[flamingdem]

164. She will catch hell from granma

granma was pretty saavy finding her on Facebook!

[pinboy3niner]

185. Grandma says she's not mad

I just found this:

ABC News spoke to Turner's grandmother, after the Colombian embassy said they would turn over Turner to U.S. authorities. Lorene Turner says she's not mad at Turner. "Children make mistakes," she said.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/01/06/144794658/american-teen-mistakenly-deported-to-colombia-is-on-her-way-home

[i was a cathar]

176. WTF about getting deported yet

NOT WTF about a 14-year-old with such a lousy home life that she wanted to run away? Or that she gave a phony name to authorities?

And even though ICE made a mistake, does that mean we should abandon all attempts to monitor who comes into our country?

[October]

211. There are many run-aways... for many reasons

According to what I read, she was pregnant -- parents divorced, and her grandfather died.

So yeah, WTF about the deportation is appropriate.

ICE did more than make "a" mistake.

[loyalsister]

191. You can get deported or killed just for livin' in your American skin

Good for Lawrence O'Donnell for covering this story. The outrage over the fact that there are Americans who were born here who still don't truly have full citizenship is long overdue.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

193. Well I dodged a bullet

When I was 17 I told a cop my name was Jonahs Analingus.

[fascisthunter]

205. Did they deport you to Uranus?

[fascisthunter]

204. We have idiots and jackasses working at ICE

what can I say... there is no way she should have been deported. It shows how flawed some of ICE is.... this is an embarrassment, a child fooled ICE? Come on... really?!