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WYFF 4 Updated: 8:53 AM EDT May 19, 2019
GREENVILLE, S.C.
A 23-year-old woman was accidentally shot and killed by her father while entering her home in Greenville County...
The coroner identified the victim as Nadeja Jermainequa Pressley.
The shooting happened around 1:15 a.m. Sunday, outside Pressley's home on Young Street. The preliminary investigation revealed that Pressley's father believed an intruder was trying to gain entry through a door...He shot through the door, striking Pressley, Bolt said.
Pressley was pronounced dead at the scene.
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Skittles
(153,150 posts)tragic and sooooo senseless
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)There are not enough emojis to buy into that shit.
randr
(12,411 posts)Taking aim and pulling a trigger is intentional.
albacore
(2,398 posts)randr
(12,411 posts)He neglected what?
A person at the door?
A bullet in the chamber?
If you pull the trigger it fires?
Or did he neglect to shout out "who's there"?
Fear is no excuse for improper use of a weapon.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)That's sort of a basic safety rule.
"Fear" is an excuse. It seems to work for cops.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)albacore
(2,398 posts)That even a dropped gun should not go off. Unless the carrier has a round in the chamber or under the hammer.
It's negligence to do those things.
Hence... not an accident. Negligence. A dropped gun that fires is negligence, not an "accident".
(Most currently produced pistols are designed with a "drop-safety" or firing pin block, a mechanism inhibiting or isolating the firing pin, preventing accidental discharge if the firearm is dropped. However, most long guns do not have drop-safeties.)
defacto7
(13,485 posts)But whether the false headline is a mistake or not I don't know.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)He may even have a mental disorder that amplifies his fearfulness.
If the young woman lives regularly in that house, she comes and goes. It was the middle of the night. The father had probably been fearful all evening and was either not expecting his daughter to arrive at that time or thought she was already in the house and in bed.
So, he arms himself and shoots through the door, killing his daughter, in fear that she is someone else - someone trying to break into his home to cause him harm.
Bottom line: He should not have had a firearm, most probably. Probably his fearful nature was the overriding issue here.
Sadly, a young woman is dead and her father is the one who killed her. The tragedy is overwhelming.
Solution: No gun in the house? No dead daughter outside of the door.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)hunter
(38,311 posts)Letting anyone you'd care to shoot live in your head is always a bad idea, and leads to "accidents" like this.
unblock
(52,202 posts)without a gun, with scenario ends with a "geez, you starlted me" and a hug and it's forgotten a few moments later.
with a gun, a completely innocent person dies, and often it's not even the person who was involved in the manufacturing, sale, or purchase of the gun, or consented in any way to its presence.
from an economist's perspective, it's a lethal externality.
how are the potential victims of this type of gun violence expected to protect themselves? walk around with body armor all the time? even that leaves areas of vulnerability. should homes with guns be forced to identify the presence of guns? should postal workers be allowed to refuse to deliver mail to such homes?
why is it that everyone else should face the risk of random death so that gun lovers can make fatal mistakes at our expense?
something has to change. at a minimum, there needs to be a higher standard of care on gun use, especially by those trained to be experts, most notably the police. personally, i think the standard should be that you have to be right. none of this "a reasonable person would be scared" crap. if you take someone else's life in your own hands and decide to shoot and quite possibly kill them, you have a duty to get it right.
if your target isn't demonstrably a clear and present danger to life and limb, then you should be guilty of a serious offense, imho. if it turns out the "intruder" had a right to be there, or the "perp" actually didn't have a gun after all, then you should go to prison.
if you're going to shoot, you need to "get it right".
raccoon
(31,110 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)Sancho
(9,067 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
SaintLouisBlues
(1,244 posts)malaise
(268,949 posts)Please keep us posted when they arrest daddy
phylny
(8,379 posts)for the father to say, "Who is it? I have a gun and I'll shoot you" to which the daughter would have automatically replied, "It's me, Dad, Nadeja!"
Stupid idiot. I'm sorry the woman is dead.