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raccoon

(31,110 posts)
Sun May 19, 2019, 10:21 AM May 2019

23-year-old woman accidentally shot and killed by father entering her Greenville County home

WYFF 4 Updated: 8:53 AM EDT May 19, 2019
GREENVILLE, S.C. —

A 23-year-old woman was accidentally shot and killed by her father while entering her home in Greenville County...

The coroner identified the victim as Nadeja Jermainequa Pressley.

The shooting happened around 1:15 a.m. Sunday, outside Pressley's home on Young Street. The preliminary investigation revealed that Pressley's father believed an intruder was trying to gain entry through a door...He shot through the door, striking Pressley, Bolt said.

Pressley was pronounced dead at the scene.


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23-year-old woman accidentally shot and killed by father entering her Greenville County home (Original Post) raccoon May 2019 OP
paranoid gun humper Skittles May 2019 #1
Accident? Really? Wounded Bear May 2019 #2
An accident is when you drop a gun and it fires randr May 2019 #3
That's still negligence. One in the chamber is for the movies... nt albacore May 2019 #10
I don't understand your response randr May 2019 #14
For one, he neglected to identify his target. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2019 #20
Your title describes negligence. Possibly criminal negligence. Not an accident. Kaleva May 2019 #17
I meant... and I thought it was clear... albacore May 2019 #21
He mistook his daughter for an intruder. Firing the gun was intentional. defacto7 May 2019 #4
Apparently, the father lives in fear. MineralMan May 2019 #5
Very sad. Daddy will probably still profess his love of guns. Hoyt May 2019 #6
Lock him up! Nt USALiberal May 2019 #7
People who buy guns to protect themselves or their stuff probably shouldn't own one. hunter May 2019 #8
guns are an opportunity to turn ordinary misunderstandings into something fatal. unblock May 2019 #9
Please consider starting a thread with this post. nt raccoon May 2019 #11
K & r for this post nt renate May 2019 #15
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho May 2019 #12
I blame the fear-industrial complex, and the gullible. SaintLouisBlues May 2019 #13
I don't believe this story malaise May 2019 #16
How hard would it have been phylny May 2019 #18
I guess identifying what you're shooting at is only required in the forest. Idiot gun humper. Vinca May 2019 #19

randr

(12,411 posts)
14. I don't understand your response
Sun May 19, 2019, 03:12 PM
May 2019

He neglected what?
A person at the door?
A bullet in the chamber?
If you pull the trigger it fires?
Or did he neglect to shout out "who's there"?
Fear is no excuse for improper use of a weapon.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
20. For one, he neglected to identify his target.
Sun May 19, 2019, 03:50 PM
May 2019

That's sort of a basic safety rule.

"Fear" is an excuse. It seems to work for cops.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
21. I meant... and I thought it was clear...
Sun May 19, 2019, 06:02 PM
May 2019

That even a dropped gun should not go off. Unless the carrier has a round in the chamber or under the hammer.
It's negligence to do those things.
Hence... not an accident. Negligence. A dropped gun that fires is negligence, not an "accident".

(Most currently produced pistols are designed with a "drop-safety" or firing pin block, a mechanism inhibiting or isolating the firing pin, preventing accidental discharge if the firearm is dropped. However, most long guns do not have drop-safeties.)

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. He mistook his daughter for an intruder. Firing the gun was intentional.
Sun May 19, 2019, 10:56 AM
May 2019

But whether the false headline is a mistake or not I don't know.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
5. Apparently, the father lives in fear.
Sun May 19, 2019, 11:02 AM
May 2019

He may even have a mental disorder that amplifies his fearfulness.

If the young woman lives regularly in that house, she comes and goes. It was the middle of the night. The father had probably been fearful all evening and was either not expecting his daughter to arrive at that time or thought she was already in the house and in bed.

So, he arms himself and shoots through the door, killing his daughter, in fear that she is someone else - someone trying to break into his home to cause him harm.

Bottom line: He should not have had a firearm, most probably. Probably his fearful nature was the overriding issue here.

Sadly, a young woman is dead and her father is the one who killed her. The tragedy is overwhelming.

Solution: No gun in the house? No dead daughter outside of the door.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
8. People who buy guns to protect themselves or their stuff probably shouldn't own one.
Sun May 19, 2019, 11:46 AM
May 2019

Letting anyone you'd care to shoot live in your head is always a bad idea, and leads to "accidents" like this.

unblock

(52,202 posts)
9. guns are an opportunity to turn ordinary misunderstandings into something fatal.
Sun May 19, 2019, 11:57 AM
May 2019

without a gun, with scenario ends with a "geez, you starlted me" and a hug and it's forgotten a few moments later.

with a gun, a completely innocent person dies, and often it's not even the person who was involved in the manufacturing, sale, or purchase of the gun, or consented in any way to its presence.

from an economist's perspective, it's a lethal externality.


how are the potential victims of this type of gun violence expected to protect themselves? walk around with body armor all the time? even that leaves areas of vulnerability. should homes with guns be forced to identify the presence of guns? should postal workers be allowed to refuse to deliver mail to such homes?

why is it that everyone else should face the risk of random death so that gun lovers can make fatal mistakes at our expense?


something has to change. at a minimum, there needs to be a higher standard of care on gun use, especially by those trained to be experts, most notably the police. personally, i think the standard should be that you have to be right. none of this "a reasonable person would be scared" crap. if you take someone else's life in your own hands and decide to shoot and quite possibly kill them, you have a duty to get it right.

if your target isn't demonstrably a clear and present danger to life and limb, then you should be guilty of a serious offense, imho. if it turns out the "intruder" had a right to be there, or the "perp" actually didn't have a gun after all, then you should go to prison.

if you're going to shoot, you need to "get it right".

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
12. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun May 19, 2019, 12:07 PM
May 2019

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

phylny

(8,379 posts)
18. How hard would it have been
Sun May 19, 2019, 03:35 PM
May 2019

for the father to say, "Who is it? I have a gun and I'll shoot you" to which the daughter would have automatically replied, "It's me, Dad, Nadeja!"

Stupid idiot. I'm sorry the woman is dead.

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