Great thread on why Dems haven't Impeached yet.

[sellitman]

Link to tweet

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[nocoincidences]

1. I unrolled it to make it easier to see in toto:

Malcolm P. Johnson @admiralmpj

THREAD: I'm not a Lawyer, but I have a particular view when it comes to Impeachment.

When I worked for Warner Bros. Legal and Business Affairs, we had a simple guideline for pursuing litigation. First, we'd send the offending party a 30 day cease and desist letter... 1/12
When that didn't work, we'd send them ANOTHER 30 day cease and desist letter...and if that didn't work, we'd send a THIRD 30 day cease and desist letter... 2/12
But on day 91 of that process, we'd initiate litigation.

Inevitably we'd be in court, and the Judge would ask us, "Okay, but have you given the offending party every chance to comply with your wishes?" 3/12
And we'd be able to say "Yes, we have your honor. Here is our first 30 day cease and desist, here's our second and here's our third. All documented, and transmitted, all ignored by the Offending Party." 4/12
Suddenly, we weren't the ones having to prove anything, it was the guys we were suing. The Judge would look at them, and say "So what about this counselor? Why have you ignored their lawful request??" 5/12
In terms of Impeachment, we are on the second 30 day cease and desist letter, metaphorically speaking.

The Democrats are bound for court and are now collecting documentation to show how much the Administration is acting unlawfully. 6/12
We are going after Tax Returns via Ways and Means.
We are going after Bank Records via Intelligence and Finance.
We are after Testimony via Judiciary and Oversight.
All of which we have a right to.
All of which have been subpoenaed. 7/12
So when you see the Chairmen of these various committees "not going fast enough" remember, they are collecting documentation with each of these extended deadlines. 8/12
When the Democrats face a judge, they'll be able to say "Look, your Honor, we gave the Administration EVERY CHANCE to comply with the law."

What you call slow and ineffective, is what a Lawyer would call crossing every "t" and dotting every "i" before going into court. 9/12
Because it's a dead cinch lock that the Judge will rule in our favor once those "t"s & "i"s are taken care of...because what I expect to happen...and what I think every Democrat expects to happen is that Trump will then defy whatever ruling the Judge hands down... 10/12
...and once that happens, once Trump defies a Federal Judge's ruling (which I expect to happen 100%), well the pressure to impeach won't be on the Democrats. It'll be on the Republicans. 11/12
So, if you're patient, this is going to play out the way you want. Trump can't help himself. 12/12 END

[abqtommy]

6. Thank you!

[Maeve]

7. Thank yo for the unroll! eom

[sellitman]

11. Thanks.

Much better.

[ancianita]

14. SO gratifying. Thank you.

[EarnestPutz]

18. Perfect. Really well done. DUers please take note...

....this is the context in which we should be considering impeachment. Schiff and Nadler know what they are doing.

[gldstwmn]

37. He is speaking about his experience in civil court.

We are dealing with criminals not someone who didn't pay their cable bill.

[EarnestPutz]

39. Non sequitur.

[PufPuf23]

20. +1 Thank you.

Helps me breathe.

[Baltimike]

23. thank you for this. nt

[FreepFryer]

2. CORRECT. (n/t)

[matt819]

3. All good points

I like this guy. I think we all know/hope that this is what's going on, but we've been waiting for something to happen for more than 2 years, and it hasn't, so patience and understanding are wearing thin.

[katmondoo]

5. The Democrats have only been in power less than5 months

[beachbum bob]

4. We can have a practice impeachment on AG Barr based on

refusing to honor the subpoena, contempt of congress citation and base it on obstruction....spend 6-8 weeks on the Barr's impeachment inquiry, then pass the articles of impeachment to McConnel where he may just sit on holding a trial as constitution does not mandate a timeframe.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Yes. Good point. Impeach Barr. . . nt

[sprinkleeninow]

25. A practice impeachment run...👍 n/t

[beachbum bob]

31. Barr is worthy of impeachment, obstruction is clear...6-8 weeks for

Inquiry hearing, then pass articles of impeachment. Let McConnell sit on it

[sprinkleeninow]

32. Heh-heh. Good call. Well, I think anyway. ☺ n/t

[NewJeffCT]

8. I posted that this morning

you seem to be getting much better response than me.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212114595

[sellitman]

10. Sorry. I didn't see it.

Great minds think alike.

[NewJeffCT]

13. No need to apologize

it's an important message - glad it's getting out

[Roy Rolling]

22. It's all in the headline

I ignored legal advice but was curious why Democrats are slow to impeach. Maybe this is why my posts are ignored.

[Me.]

9. Perfect!

[stopdiggin]

12. Concise, and largely dead on

Thank you. Concise, and right on point. It's good to hear from someone whos point of view is grounded in real world practice.
Now have to hope that a few light bulbs start switching on.

[lastlib]

16. "But when a long train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object..."

"... evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their RIGHT--it is their DUTY--to THROW off such forms, and to institute new guards for their future security."

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, In Congress, July 4, 1776.

[MGKrebs]

21. Beautiful words.

Of course, advocating revolution, not legal remedy.

[lastlib]

29. You are correct, of course, but...

we can try to give them a more peaceful application in these times. And if that fails..........we fall back to the last resort. "Prudence, indeed, will dictate..."

[sprinkleeninow]

33. Their words are 'fitting' nonetheless. eom

[mcar]

17. K&R

[Javaman]

19. Thank you for this. that makes so much sense.

Cheers!

[Mr.Bill]

24. I'm glad the fire department

doesn't operate this way. And yes, I think we're on fire.

[gldstwmn]

36. Right? If there's a murderer on the loose

should we just let them keep running around?

[Duppers]

26. "Judge"?

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Excuse me, what judge?

Impeachment is ultimately decided by the American public, how much they know/learn, and how much they become fed up with tRump. These decisions do not deal with legalities but opinions. And televised hearings will certainly influence public opinions, especially those mostly apolitical voters who don't pay attention until it's all they're hearing ...and perhaps even a few of the illiterate humpers.

Their senators will cast their votes according to what they believe with keep them in office
>.<

So, let's have the hearings; give them no more "legislative excuses" for not turning documents over. Let's drag the hearings out and not call for a vote until we think the public has heard enough to turn the tide in the Senate. That way, the Senate will less likely to vote no on impeachment.

[Stuart G]

27. That's it, and there ain't no more. k and r

[Skittles]

28. except the initial "letter" should have been sent long ago

[Jarqui]

30. I also think this plays out with the public

They're also witnessing Trump refusing to provide any info - that helps to build public support for impeachment.

That is critical.

As will the release of info like the Cohen transcripts last night.

As well, the financial info may well be the most crushing as it was for Manafort & Cohen because it is so much harder to refute financial crimes. Trump knows this which is why he's fighting so hard to prevent them from seeing it. As that info comes out, the support for impeachment will rise while the GOP excuses get more difficult.

[tblue37]

34. k&r for visibility. nt

[flying rabbit]

35. K&R nt

[lapucelle]

38. K&R