They don't have the votes

[mcar]

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House Majority Whip Clyburn says majority of Democrats would vote ‘no’ on impeachment. https://on.msnbc.com/2HO11ab

[Wounded Bear]

1. Not surprising...

while we just had a great election to take over the House, that doesn't mean all of the new members are die hard impeachment advocates. Many, if not most, of the new members ran on traditional kitchen table issues, not impeachment.

[mcar]

8. That's right

[Joe941]

71. We won a landslide election for the sole reason to impeach...

What will voters do if we don't follow that mandate?

[Codeine]

72. Assumes facts not in evidence. nt

[Henhouse]

77. +1

[mcar]

74. That is simply not true

We won in a landslide bc of healthcare, fair wages, civil rights and the environment.

[watoos]

76. Yeah right,

I voted to put a check on Trump, the other issues you listed were a distant 2nd.

[mcar]

80. Yeah, right

You voted for your reasons. Per polling, media interviews, most people voted Democratic for the reasons I listed.

That is how we flipped seats in purple and reddish districts.

[bearsfootball516]

83. You're the exception to the rule.

[Amishman]

84. You, and most of DU, are not the typical Democrat

The bulk of the voters in our own party are less informed, less engaged, and less progressive than this site. It is easy to fall into the trap of believing DU is representative of the party as a whole.

[maxsolomon]

2. BS

They'll get there.

If your rep is a waffler; let them know how you feel.

[StarfishSaver]

23. A better expenditure of time and effort than yelling at Speaker Pelosi

[Henhouse]

78. +1

[PoliticAverse]

3. It's not time for an "impeachment" vote yet, it's time for hearings on the Mueller report. n/t

[TwilightZone]

15. Agreed.

This is much ado about nothing. Par for the course lately.

[rownesheck]

4. I don't believe it.

I think they are pulling the ol' rope a dope on trump. They're gonna say things like that to lull him into a false sense of security, then they'll unleash holy hell on his ass.

[mcar]

9. Seriously?

You want to primary any Democratic rep who doesn't do what you want?

[Fullduplexxx]

24. No i think they should continue writing subpoenas that just get ignored

But isn't that what politics is about getting politicians to do what you want them to do? Oh and btw it's not just me .

Now trump wont let hope testify

[mcar]

35. I don't understand

You said "impeach or be primaried." I asked if you mean that.

[StarfishSaver]

37. What exactly are you expecting out of an impeachment inquiry?

[TwilightZone]

46. Impeachment isn't going to magically get Trump to comply.

His strategy will likely be the same, impeachment or no.

[Andy823]

51. Exactly! nt

[Wounded Bear]

10. Well, I'm sure the Repubs would love us to take that attitude...

[Codeine]

58. Just stop.

Take that nonsense elsewhere.

[ooky]

6. This demonstrates the importance of moving these subpoenas along.

They need the testimony of these key witnesses.

[mcar]

11. Yes. Move the process along

[BeyondGeography]

7. Leadership fail

Why should reps in tough districts stick their necks out when the people at the top are clearly conflicted?

[mcar]

12. Disagree

These reps answer to their constituents. Most of those who voted for them did so to protect healthcare.

[TwilightZone]

13. You think they should vote on impeachment immediately, without further hearings?

That would be remarkably foolish.

[BeyondGeography]

17. Is this a vote to impeach or to initiate an inquiry?

If it’s the former it would be pretty fucking stupid to be putting that number out there before we even have hearings.

[pangaia]

44. That is my question also.. which is it?

[StarfishSaver]

53. Vote to initiate an inquiry first

And vote to impeach would be way down the line

[sheshe2]

25. They are following the rule of law.

I don't want them to go off half cocked. I want the hearings. I want them to have crossed all their t's and dotted every i before they move forward.

[Kurt V.]

36. I'm for following the rule of law. the other side doesn't see it that way. Its quite a conundrum

[sheshe2]

39. Yes.

And I for one do not want to be like the other side.

[Kurt V.]

42. of course not. but they're there nonetheless

[Pathwalker]

14. Nancy knows how to count the votes, she's proven that.

I figured this out awhile ago.

[mcar]

16. She never lost a vote

She knows how to count!

[Pathwalker]

18. I'm a little surprised people haven't figured this out.

not to mention disappointed.

[StarfishSaver]

26. And it's very likely that she's taking the heat to protect her members who aren't there yet

And that's not her fault. She's probably whipping as only she can do, but their constituents need to lean in on them, as well.

[mcar]

29. Hadn't thought of that

But yes.

[StarfishSaver]

34. I suspect there's a critical mass of members either aren't there yet or

or who may already want impeachment, but their constituents there yet.

[Honeycombe8]

55. The tape of Clyburn is very informative & explanatory on this.

When he explains it, it makes sense. He and a majority of others don't think the public is with the idea of impeachment yet, and they think they haven't had an "a-ha" moment, where there is something the compels them to do it at this time. Things are going their way right now, with the recent favorable court decision, and one Republican, Amash, who is on board with impeachment.

He said he can't say what the deciding factor will be, but they'll know it when they see it. Timing is also a factor.

He also wants to avoid being goaded into impeachment by Trump, before its time. When and if they do it, it has to be done right.

[StarfishSaver]

56. Yes. Clyburn explain it very well

[NurseJackie]

28. I trust Nancy Pelosi's judgement on this. She knows what she's doing.

Experience we can TRUST!!

[mcar]

30. I trust her too

[procon]

19. Until Pelosi is onboard and gives her blessing,

most Dems lack the individual strength to stand up and do the right thing. If she agrees then the Dems will fall inline behind her renown force of will.

If she's not there yet, events are still unfolding and incriminating evidence is being exposed almost everyday, so it's likely that her decision with evolve as well.

[JCMach1]

20. Insist they actually read the Mueller Report

No excuses

[George II]

21. The time will come when all the pieces fall into place. Until then I can be patient.

[mcar]

32. The process continues

It wasn't overnight with Watergate, either. How quickly people forget.

[Kurt V.]

41. i was too young to care about Watergate so i have nothing to forget. but reading up on it

it only took 4 months for the tide to totally shift. in political terms, that's fast.

[TwilightZone]

43. It changed mainly because of the tapes.

Without the tapes, impeachment doesn't happen and Nixon doesn't resign.

[Kurt V.]

45. true.

[brer cat]

22. I'm not surprised.

This is a process and it has a way to go yet. I'm sure they will be on board when the time is right.

[mcar]

33. Yes

[dchill]

27. TTTT. These things take time.

They really do.

[sinkingfeeling]

31. What vote? They don't vote until the end.

[StarfishSaver]

38. They have to vote to authorize the initiation of an impeachment inquiry

It's very likely that they don't have enough votes yet for that.

[Cha]

40. Wow.. and all those posts

dissing Nancy.

Mahalo, mcar

[mcar]

49. It's gotten ridiculous, Cha

So many seem to think they know better than her and it needs to be done NOW NOW NOW.

[Cha]

59. They never learn.. it's

disgraceful.

:grouphhug:

[Va Lefty]

47. A sad footnote to the Democratic Party as our democracy dies

[Honeycombe8]

48. Well, that's a surprise. nt

[mcar]

50. Doesn't surprise me

We only hear from the pro-impeachment reps. My guess is it's because the MSM wants the spectacle badly.

[Reader Rabbit]

52. Anyone else have a Hamilton moment with the thread title?

[mcar]

65. That was my intent

[NurseJackie]

75. ...

[GulfCoast66]

54. We did not retake the house with a bunch of fire breathing progressives.

We won tough districts with moderate democrats talking about bread and butter issues. Mainly Healthcare.

Of course you don’t hear about them on DU as much as the very liberal freshmen, because, well, it’s DU.

Those of us not favoring impeachment are not defending trump. Of course he deserves it. We are defending the new house majority.

I, and perhaps others fear impeachment with no conviction will cost us not an increase in our house majority, but the outright majority.

I am tired of having those that do not favor impeachment have their motives and democratic loyalty questioned. It’s a disagreement on tactics, not betraying the party. I certainly respect those who disagree with me.

[mcar]

57. Well said!

Thank you GulfCoast66.

[pecosbob]

60. My vote...investigation, impeachment, incarceration.

[Stinky The Clown]

61. The majority of Democrats are grownups.

[ecstatic]

62. Wow. Must be nice to not be worried or bothered by trump.

I don't have that luxury and I continue to be disgusted by the double standards in our "justice" system.

[mcar]

66. I'm sorry, what?

Wow. Must be nice to not be worried or bothered by trump.
I don't have that luxury and I continue to be disgusted by the double standards in our "justice" system.

Who TF isn't worried or bothered by Trump and what does you...odd claim have to do with my OP?

[ecstatic]

68. Doesn't your OP say that democrats don't have the votes?

Which means there are democrats who would vote NO on impeaching trump. Which means they aren't troubled by everything we've seen and everything outlined in the Mueller report. I apologize if my post wasn't clearer.

[mcar]

69. It certainly doesn't mean they don't care

It's not black and white. Name me one elected Democrat who isn't troubled by everything we've seen (I exempt Tulsi Gabbard from the question)?

[JI7]

63. it's the members who beat the republicans that are holding out on this

[lapucelle]

64. The MSM wants to cover impeachment hearings.

They're pushing for this more so than anyone else. Think of the revenue! Think of the ratings!

[mcar]

67. They've already come up with the graphics

And the dramatic intro!

Also, cue the "are Democrats overreaching? We talk to Sen Lindsey Graham in the next segment."

[NYMinute]

70. The legal process is paramount

A lot of the members in the house are prosecutors and they know the importance of getting one's ducks in a row and build a case that can be proven.

If they had all been elected out of a neighborhood bar or pub, they would have a different strategy.

[onenote]

73. A mere 20 Democrats could block an impeachment inquiry from beginning

I would be very surprised if there were 100-plus Democrats who would vote against authorizing the Judiciary Committee to initiate an impeachment inquiry. But I would be equally surprised if there were not 20 Democrats who would vote against such a move at this time. And all it would take to prevent a resolution authorizing an impeachment inquiry from passing would be 20 Democratic votes (assuming every Republican except Amash would oppose such a resolution).

[Gothmog]

79. Without 20 GOP Senate votes, impeachment is a waste of time

[shanny]

81. Why would anyone expect to "have the votes"

at the beginning of the process?

[mcar]

82. There is a vote to begin the process

[shanny]

85. To begin investigating? If that is the case

might as well throw in the towel now.