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TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
Wed May 22, 2019, 11:29 AM May 2019

No, Ben Carson ISN'T "stupid"... it's worse than that:

So the late-night comedians and the media are having all kinds of fun with Ben's shambling incoherency at the Congressional hearings the other day-- Responding "Amway?" when asked about the OMWI program, and "Oreo?" for REO.

The implication (and outright assumption) being, "What a dummy! Doesn't even know critical aspects of HIS OWN job! Stuff he's been asked about before, sent enquiries in writing, etc.! How stupid can you get!?"

He's not stupid.

He may not be the smartest brain surgeon on the planet but he did manage to qualify as one. I suspect his IQ is in the high normal range, at least.

The problem isn't stupidity.

It's that he honestly believes he doesn't HAVE to know about that stuff. That stuff is for underlings. How stupid are these Congresscritters to be asking him stuff that he very rightly (in his own mindset) leaves to "his people", who are supposed to take care of that kind of thing.

What do they think he is, some mid-level civil servant program manager? Idiots! THEY'RE the stupid ones.

Secretary Carson is a reflection of his boss's own philosophy of leadership:

You don't need to know anything about anything. You just have to have the authority to tell other people what to do.

This isn't just President Windrip's approach, by the way. It seems to have become the default for the entire GOP. NONE of them appear to believe they need to have any skills or knowledge to serve the public. Just authority, to tell other people to deliver on their campaign promises for them, whether the requirements of doing so are Constitutional or not.

It's why they get all self-righteous with fury when those underlings don't "do their jobs" and make the "leaders" look bad.

And here's what's even worse:

Their followers believe this, too. They're not upset that the ignorant, uncaring incompetents they've elected can't perform the functions of legislation or executive management. They're upset that the underlings aren't "making it so" and/or that pesky Constitution and those eeee-vile libruls are interfering with it being made so.

And all the while, we're thinking, "Finally, they'll see how incompetent these doofuses are, and come around to realize we need to elect people who understand the job and have the skills to do it."

We're the stupid ones.

And we are SO screwn...

gloomily,
Bright

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No, Ben Carson ISN'T "stupid"... it's worse than that: (Original Post) TygrBright May 2019 OP
Bazinga! Totally Tunsie May 2019 #1
You're right. Carson isn't actually stupid, although he gives that impression, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #2
In hispanic culture it is called 'Playing Pendejo' ArizonaLib May 2019 #21
Sound like corporate structure. Chin music May 2019 #3
Of course. They elected a man who was clearly incompetent in every way--relishes in it. hlthe2b May 2019 #4
It's grim Hekate May 2019 #5
Dementia. Remember the pyramid food storage thing? Get him out of there and get him some help! nt albacore May 2019 #6
Stoned out of his mind Cosmocat May 2019 #30
Carson and Sessions Srkdqltr May 2019 #7
And Lindsey Graham. Delmette2.0 May 2019 #8
Graham believes he has to compensate for ... something, and over-compensates. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #25
Gee, I wonder what. Delmette2.0 May 2019 #28
In the case of Chump, he won't listen to anybody FakeNoose May 2019 #9
"Republicans run for office saying government doesn't work, sop May 2019 #10
Carson was appointed to be incompetent Celerity May 2019 #12
THIS 1,000+ happy feet May 2019 #18
Willful ignorance is a dangerous thing... Wounded Bear May 2019 #11
Yep. The MOST dangerous thing. And there's a lot of it about. n/t TygrBright May 2019 #15
I've no doubt Carson was once very smart and together enough to excel at his work. Gidney N Cloyd May 2019 #13
Brain surgeon has to be an intense and stressful occupation. I think he had a few too many and brewens May 2019 #14
He agreed to work for trump. mahannah May 2019 #16
Smaller government. skypilot May 2019 #17
Actually, I think he was being arrogant and playing dumb patphil May 2019 #19
It once was called public service MasonDreams May 2019 #20
They're trying to demonstrate that good government doesn't work and isn't necessary not fooled May 2019 #22
There's also some "I don't really care". JohnnyRingo May 2019 #23
Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner! bitterross May 2019 #24
It Seemed To Me That It Was All Just A Big Joke To Him Me. May 2019 #26
I want an REO Speedwagon cookie. democratisphere May 2019 #27
Not surprised he thought they were talking about Amway Blue Owl May 2019 #29
Hard to believe he's a brain surgeon demosincebirth May 2019 #31
He seems stoned out of his mind. Turin_C3PO May 2019 #32
Willful ignorance. gldstwmn May 2019 #33
You don't have to be smart to be a smartass. dchill May 2019 #34
Actually he can be stupid, watoos May 2019 #35
Yeah, I suppose that explains it. calimary May 2019 #36

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,590 posts)
2. You're right. Carson isn't actually stupid, although he gives that impression,
Wed May 22, 2019, 11:36 AM
May 2019

or at least the impression of being heavily sedated. He just doesn't give a crap about his job except to the extent it allows him to acquire expensive furniture and appliances for his office at our expense and in flagrant violation of federal regulations. He doesn't think the function of HUD is useful or important. He accepted a position for which he was completely unqualified and then made no attempt to become qualified. He's been there for two years and still has no idea what the agency does, and, what's worse, has made no effort to find out. And he doesn't even seem to be embarrassed that he doesn't know what he's doing.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
21. In hispanic culture it is called 'Playing Pendejo'
Wed May 22, 2019, 06:36 PM
May 2019

or translated 'playing jackass'. While growing up, it was usually referenced in situations where others were using it in moments of passive aggression.

Also reference the Seinfeld scene where George Costanza is confronted by his boss for having sex with cleaning staff on his desk and asks "Was that wrong?" Republicans lie and cheat more than an exaggerated sitcom character like George Costanza - willing to convert religion, lie to keep government benefits, impersonate Nazis, sell his father's clothes after stealing them, and fake compassion to grieving parents. Sitcoms don't kill people in real life though - but Republicans do.

Srkdqltr

(6,228 posts)
7. Carson and Sessions
Wed May 22, 2019, 11:48 AM
May 2019

And a few other men do that when questioned. Particularly by women. Sessions puts on a heavy southern accent and sounds like he doesn't understand. It is an act they put on at will so the questioner is belittled or frustrated.

Delmette2.0

(4,157 posts)
8. And Lindsey Graham.
Wed May 22, 2019, 12:11 PM
May 2019

Except he comes out as a raging misogynist as in his outburst during the Kavanaugh hearing.

FakeNoose

(32,584 posts)
9. In the case of Chump, he won't listen to anybody
Wed May 22, 2019, 12:20 PM
May 2019

Chump refuses to learn or listen to any expert who reports to him. What's the point of having smart people work for him? It doesn't mean diddly.

I suspect that Ben Carson is probably smarter than Chump, but as you say, he has no expertise in the field of real estate or property management and no reason to learn it either. So (I guess) he delegates every little thing to his employees, and how does he understand what they're doing anyway?

And don't say we're the stupid ones, because we had nothing to do with this.

sop

(10,102 posts)
10. "Republicans run for office saying government doesn't work,
Wed May 22, 2019, 12:25 PM
May 2019

then get elected and prove it." That's the corporate GOP plan. Carson was appointed to be incompetent, his agency is supposed to fail and become one more example of "government not working."

It's the reason Betsy DeVos was named Education Secretary, Rick Perry was put in charge of the Energy Department, Mnuchin at Treasury, Barr at the DOJ, Zinke at Interior (now gone for corruption), and others. They're all supposed to demonstrate government isn't working for the people, so angry voters will support the elimination, deregulation and privatization of these government functions.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,820 posts)
13. I've no doubt Carson was once very smart and together enough to excel at his work.
Wed May 22, 2019, 12:56 PM
May 2019

But from the Republican primaries forward, all I've seen is a confused and possibly doped-up guy floating around on the breeze.

brewens

(13,538 posts)
14. Brain surgeon has to be an intense and stressful occupation. I think he had a few too many and
Wed May 22, 2019, 01:00 PM
May 2019

has had some serious nervous breakdown. He's probably medicated.

Then of course he just hasn't really been doing the job. He's just made the calls the White Supremacy House ordered. No reason for him to know much about his own agency at all.

skypilot

(8,851 posts)
17. Smaller government.
Wed May 22, 2019, 02:00 PM
May 2019

We'd be closer to the smaller government that these people claim they want if all these know-nothings and do-nothings just stepped down and let the "underlings" do the job.

patphil

(6,150 posts)
19. Actually, I think he was being arrogant and playing dumb
Wed May 22, 2019, 03:52 PM
May 2019

Dumber than usual.
The Oreo comment by Carson was meant to be sarcastic, I'm sure of that.

His problem is that he looks and acts like such a dope that no one saw that.

Patrick Phillips

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
20. It once was called public service
Wed May 22, 2019, 04:55 PM
May 2019

It was an honor to be chosen and confirmed to a post. I don't think a man who tries to stab somebody and hit his mother with a hammer (without having an addiction, a head injury, or being a rape survivor) is qualified to perform public service, unless he's chained to other convicts, on the side of the road picking up trash.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
22. They're trying to demonstrate that good government doesn't work and isn't necessary
Wed May 22, 2019, 07:42 PM
May 2019

so that the 666kook666 brothers and their ilk can achieve their dream of destroying an effective Federal government.

They think we would be better off with minimal Federal government so that they can loot and despoil without hindrance.

These loons believe that we would all be better off returning to the good old days of frontier America. Of course, nowadays society is much larger and too complex to work if we all don't cooperate.




JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
23. There's also some "I don't really care".
Wed May 22, 2019, 08:05 PM
May 2019

He likely thought he walked into a job where he does nothing. Let HUD run on autopilot and cash a paycheck. Not as cushy as an ambassadorship, but pretty sweat free "work" anyway.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
24. Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner!
Wed May 22, 2019, 09:01 PM
May 2019

You are absolutely correct. He's not dumb like DeVos. He's an arrogant ass. His whole performance was that of a person who believes they are not really part of three co-equal branches of government. They believe there is the Congress, the Judiciary, and the Monarch.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
26. It Seemed To Me That It Was All Just A Big Joke To Him
Wed May 22, 2019, 09:24 PM
May 2019

and he felt the proceedings and the women who questioned him were beneath him.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
35. Actually he can be stupid,
Wed May 22, 2019, 11:55 PM
May 2019

It's that left side v right side of the brain.
I roomed with a mechanical engineer major in college, he was smart, did great in his tests. He was smart in his narrow field of mechanical engineering.
He needed a certain amount of credits in literature, he was lost, he was stupid. I had to write a paper for him to help him pass the course.

I bet that it is common for people who are so smart in their one narrow field of expertise to not be so smart in everything else. Maybe my roommate was an anomaly but just saying.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
36. Yeah, I suppose that explains it.
Thu May 23, 2019, 06:57 PM
May 2019

Dim bulb on every subject imaginable except for brain surgery. Which means he REALLY should stick to brain surgery. Anything his arrogance allows him to snooze through or delegate to underlings aside from brain surgery is utter malpractice and sheer quackery.

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