So abortion is murder, but if an embryo is destroyed during IVF, it is not?

[ck4829]

One of the lead architects of the Alabama bill made this view even more plain when he stated that the measure, which purports to protect fertilized eggs, embryos, and fetuses, would not actually apply to all embryos. After all, if you argue that life begins at conception, that’s a big problem for I.V.F. In the name of protecting “life,” anti-abortion legislators could functionally outlaw fertility treatments that involve fertilizing eggs and selecting the strongest embryos for implantation. But don’t worry, said Alabama State Senator Clyde Chambliss: “The egg in the lab doesn’t apply. It’s not in a woman. She’s not pregnant.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/05/alabamas-abortion-bill-is-immoral-inhumane-and-wildly-inconsistent

I dunno, something doesn't sound equal... er, right about that, I've been thinking about it for 14 minutes, just doesn't add up.

[greymattermom]

1. So, of course that means, to this guy at least,

that a fertilized egg is not a person until implantation. So, any procedure that prevents implantation, i.e. birth control, should be equal to keeping the egg in the lab. Now, how will he deal with miscarriages?

[Ilsa]

2. That legislator simply wants to control women,

Not "protect innocent life." He's shown his cards.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

4. Bingo

[Ohiogal]

6. Exactly right, Ilsa.

Not that I am defending the Catholic Church, but at least they don’t condone IVF.

I can’t believe the Alabama law states this. Pure and simple misogyny is what it is.

[Ilsa]

7. Not outlawing IVF along with other draconian moves shows their hand. nt

[Rambling Man]

12. You cannot punish a laboratory

but you can punish a woman.

It's about hatred and punishment, don't try to make it make sense.

[Freddie]

3. Pregnancy begins at implantation

That is the medical definition. Without implantation the magic fertilized egg will be flushed with the Tampax. So I presume that he and the other forced birth extremists are now perfectly fine with any contraceptive that MIGHT stop implantation (some kinds of IUD, possibly Plan B). Since he is now admitting that a zygote is not a “person” if it’s in a Petri dish.

[milestogo]

5. Usually the birth extremists are woefully lacking in medical understanding.

[Ilsa]

10. Yeah. I guess he's fine with IVF and that property being destroyed

When the couple no longer wants the eggs?

[Buckeyeblue]

8. When these people pontificate about abortion it makes them look like the ignorant bastards

[TheBlackAdder]

11. I'd nail down the 'oranges' of their belief. Where did this come from? As there must be a source.

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It's either religion, personal conviction of family based on religion, junk science, fabricated bullshit.

Let them explain how and justify their belief. That's the only way you can call them out on it.

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[TheBlackAdder]

9. They make this shit up! There is not one thing in the Bible that supports the "Pro-Life" doctrine.

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The triviality of the fetus, diminished to a fine, is all that exists. All other claims are just fabricated bullshit.

In fact, there is once section that talks about miscarriage drugs being given if there is question of paternity.


The churches use this as a tool to fleece congregants, keep them galvanized and perform free labor at church.

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[Rambling Man]

13. Old Testament god is DEFINITELY not pro-life

[sinkingfeeling]

14. Yeah, almost 2/3s of all fertized human ova are flushed by that

all powerful gawd.