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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo let's say Trump is impeached...
Who do we get if Trump is impeached? Mike Pence. The Republicans in the Senate might actually vote to impeach Trump if they can put Pence at the head of their party and assure him as their nominee for 2020. Does Pelosi want to risk this? Do we?
hlthe2b
(102,217 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)We underestimate these people at our peril.
hlthe2b
(102,217 posts)He was hated in Indiana and not competitive for a second gubernatorial term (due to be thrown out) when Manafort picked him for Trump. He's a dead fish without the charm or the good "scent"...
And if women hate Trump, this election cycle will have more pro-choice and even equivocal women (and men, for that matter) voting who are absolutely incited to vote against Pence style anti-abortion laws.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)In fact, some Democrats were thrilled that he was the candidate because they thought it was an impossibility.
Be careful what you wish for - it could come out very differently than you expect.
hlthe2b
(102,217 posts)Pence could only win if the election is hijacked (and yes, THAT could happen)
Trueblue Texan
(2,425 posts)Last edited Sat May 25, 2019, 11:14 AM - Edit history (1)
...but the Rs are desperate for one of their own who is not Trump. And voting for Pence will mean they don't have to admit they were wrong about Trump.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)unless you believe that a win by cheating is really a win. I do get your point, though.
I also believe there will be cheating again so we must have huge majorities in order to win.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)I've heard dial tones with more sparkling personalities than Mr Vanilla. We'd have to put up with him for a while tho.
Pachamama
(16,886 posts)...hearings broadcast to the American People and is discussed and reported on for months and is forever memorialized in the public record....
Then it moves on to the Senate where the Repukes refuse to remove him....
What has Pelosi risked exactly?
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Mueller found and more. Otherwise, with a rush to impeach, its all Dems vs. Republicans, a partisan effort based on testimonies given in some building somewhere behind closed doors. possibly an effort conducted by Trump and cons enemies, a bunch of legalese spanning hundreds of pages, with no investment or engagement on the peoples part.
We can not underestimate the medium through which House hearings will be conducted. Television speaks in a national, familiar, understood, and gripping language.
Viewing is a collective experience and leaves powerful impressions.
For the moment in time, and for posterity, nothing will beat televised hearings.
Premature impeachment throws the electorate into division; attitudes gel, sides line up, and we might learn less.
honest.abe
(8,672 posts)Im sure that is why the GOP keeps trying to protect Trump. They think he's is their best hope of retaining the WH.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And don't forget that Republicans, the media - and even some Democrats - will be so exhausted and relieved to have Trump gone, that Pence will have a honeymoon (just for not being completely batsh*t crazy every hour of the day) that could last well into November.
I can't believe, after the debacle that is Trump, anyone would sleep on Pence or claim that "oh, he won't be so bad."
honest.abe
(8,672 posts)Who will likely freak out if Trump is removed from office and its not clear to me what they might do but for sure they wont be happy with Pence.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)By the Constitution, he must be removed form office.
If Pence becomes prez, he will know that his Jesus won't be able to protect him from Pelosi if he tries to continue Trump's Anti-America agenda.
Gothmog
(145,107 posts)It takes the vote of 67 Senators to remove trump. There is no way that you can get 20 GOP senators to vote to remove trump
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)The biggest reason being that if Trump is removed from office, his "base" will turn on the GOP for not protecting their messiah. A lot of them would simply sit out the election as a result.
mcar
(42,300 posts)The Senate will never vote to remove him.
ooky
(8,922 posts)like Haley.
I'm not even convinced Trump will get re-nominated at this point, as it seems his baggage can only grow and multiply between now and the 2020 election. If Republicans start to sense that he is becoming toxic enough to impact the down ballot races they could still elect to primary him without impeachment/conviction. I believe that's more likely anyway than any chance he'd be convicted in a Senate trial. Not without something more compelling than anything we think we know about now.
Gothmog
(145,107 posts)Link to tweet
While McConnell is required to act on articles of impeachment, which require 67 votes or a two-thirds majority to convict the president, he and his Republican colleagues have the power to set the rules and ensure the briefest of trials.
I think it would be disposed of very quickly, said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)....
Why on earth would we give a platform to something that I judge as a purely political exercise? said Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), another member of the Judiciary Committee. We have to perform our constitutional duty, but if people think that were going to try and create a theater that could give you the perception that this is a matter that rises to the level of Watergate, thats nonsense.
Tillis said he would support McConnell bringing the impeachment process to a quick close, and that any kind of extended trial would be rewarding what I view as bad behavior on the part of the House.