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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:10 AM May 2019

Attention Mueller: The people need to see it, hear it, not fucking read it.

It is now clear. Mueller is afraid, has been afraid through the whole process.

He was afraid to force Trump to testify. He was afraid to call it in his report and now he is afraid to testify in public. He is afraid to break any rule.

His excuses for not testifying in public are weak. Mueller has been a major disappointment.

If Mueller testifies in public millions of Americans will watch. It will be a big deal. It would change everything. People reading a transcript will not have the same effect.

There is still time for him to change his mind. Where have all the patriots gone?

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Attention Mueller: The people need to see it, hear it, not fucking read it. (Original Post) shockey80 May 2019 OP
exactly and dont think there is a credible argument otherwise standingtall May 2019 #1
There's not, but, Mueller let the Traitor-in-Chief of the hook... IMHO, by design. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #76
I'm not sure how to respond to your assertion. Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2019 #125
Take whatever we can get at this time to help clear matters up, but... kentuck May 2019 #2
A private meeting will not clear up anything standingtall May 2019 #3
They can try, but there's more Dems... Dennis Donovan May 2019 #6
Doesn't matter that there is more Dems in the hearing standingtall May 2019 #13
They would say the same things if public testimony took place... Dennis Donovan May 2019 #14
Yes they would but it would not be nearly as effective standingtall May 2019 #18
Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see public testimony... Dennis Donovan May 2019 #19
Agree, Dennis. kentuck May 2019 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2019 #57
The point is to disrupt, not to generate any positive result. EffieBlack May 2019 #27
Yes they would EffieBlack May 2019 #26
Right but tone matters as does body language Nuggets May 2019 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2019 #53
I think Mueller doesn't want to pull "a Comey" Dennis Donovan May 2019 #4
He's already pulled a Comey by allowing Barr Nuggets May 2019 #35
He didn't "allow" Barr to do anything. Barr is his boss StarfishSaver May 2019 #40
He has stayed quiet and is now playing games on testifying Nuggets May 2019 #43
He hasn't though... Dennis Donovan May 2019 #41
Gee he submitted a letter Nuggets May 2019 #48
That's how adults handle things... Dennis Donovan May 2019 #50
just him sending a letter was a huge sign NewJeffCT May 2019 #55
Did you read the letter? Nuggets May 2019 #110
*sigh* Dennis Donovan May 2019 #111
Please Nuggets May 2019 #115
So, my opinion is "irresponsible"? n/t Dennis Donovan May 2019 #116
If you're jumping through hoops Nuggets May 2019 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author Dennis Donovan May 2019 #123
Your fervency on this subject is... Dennis Donovan May 2019 #124
In a letter. One of which no one has seen. kacekwl May 2019 #51
Everyone's seen it. Dennis Donovan May 2019 #52
Thank you! And from the NYT... Duppers May 2019 #56
Exactly! Duppers May 2019 #42
"His tone and tenor...and a sharp rebuke...." sprinkleeninow May 2019 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2019 #58
Eh Proud Liberal Dem May 2019 #130
Agree!!! ... been thinking this for some time. n/t RKP5637 May 2019 #5
Perhaps we are relying too much on this Good Marine Taraman May 2019 #7
Neither will I. I trusted him and when he spoke I believed it ... and look at the mess. n/t RKP5637 May 2019 #10
Spot on. jayschool2013 May 2019 #38
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #64
Oh, stop it. Just stop. emmaverybo May 2019 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar May 2019 #11
I agree! 40RatRod May 2019 #67
Congress doesn't even bother to read the Mueller report for the most part. I doubt many RKP5637 May 2019 #9
+1 Nuggets May 2019 #36
I don't think this would be even remotely comparable to the Comey situation standingtall May 2019 #12
we need to see the look on his face, and how long he pauses to think mopinko May 2019 #15
From what I've read/heard he does not want a republican shit show.. mitch96 May 2019 #16
Too bad Nuggets May 2019 #37
I think it would devolve into repukes acting out and not the testimony mitch96 May 2019 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2019 #59
Yes and I want the unedited version live in person Nuggets May 2019 #60
+1, its naive to think there was NOT going to be a crap show with republicans. He should have ... uponit7771 May 2019 #75
Exactly nt Nuggets May 2019 #97
Someone said he didn't want to sit through Congressman Jim Jordan's histrionics sop May 2019 #86
Mueller's in the middle of the shit show that he created in part. Does he not know that? Cousin Dupree May 2019 #132
Imagine Mueller answering these question live on TV. shockey80 May 2019 #17
The Dems need to coordinate their questions. Delmette2.0 May 2019 #44
They do. The questions and topics are carefully coordinated StarfishSaver May 2019 #100
I'd like to know: sop May 2019 #90
Right. Just like the Watergate Hearings. LiberalFighter May 2019 #20
Yep, I think for many it's a 5 minute blitz on the TV from whichever source they use. RKP5637 May 2019 #22
I remember the Watergate Hearings. I was in college. LiberalFighter May 2019 #23
Yep, same here. That is really what's needed ... then people start to watch. I had enough to RKP5637 May 2019 #24
Many people will not believe something unless they see it, hear it. shockey80 May 2019 #21
Mueller is repug, the fix was in from day one. lark May 2019 #25
This is what I think as well Nuggets May 2019 #39
I don't know why, but I still think he's an honorable man Taraman May 2019 #29
Mueller attending and speaking to Congress in a closed session would be great. democratisphere May 2019 #30
The people should be able to see that for ourselves. uponit7771 May 2019 #65
Mueller is a Reep. ananda May 2019 #32
I remember when Republicans had some honor and loved their country. Taraman May 2019 #33
Republicans... mountain grammy May 2019 #34
I don't believe in evil Taraman May 2019 #46
Damn right. Firestorm49 May 2019 #45
K & R SunSeeker May 2019 #49
In short, Mueller is failing the American people by not speaking to us world wide wally May 2019 #54
Yes he is. He will have to speak to change my mind. Boomerproud May 2019 #66
Under Trump's new AG declaration, Barr to deem Mueller testimony transcript as Classified aeromanKC May 2019 #61
At this point I think someone would marlakay May 2019 #69
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #74
How do propose to have this happen... brooklynite May 2019 #62
It's more political if Mueller doesn't testify Ohioboy May 2019 #63
+1, what did Mueller think would happen when he took the job. He should've thought worst case ... uponit7771 May 2019 #71
Not testifying is not part of the equation EffieBlack May 2019 #79
He's testifying. A transcript will be released. The only question is whether The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #87
Mueller strikes me as the kind of guy... Takket May 2019 #68
K&R, the truth to the people should override ow he "looks" uponit7771 May 2019 #70
What did we expect... StarzGuy May 2019 #72
I am sick to death of Mueller pulling his punches. Paladin May 2019 #73
--- sprinkleeninow May 2019 #129
If people are too lazy to read it then that is their problem for being to fucking lazy to read GemDigger May 2019 #77
Thank you! EffieBlack May 2019 #80
I wonder how many DUers have read it? The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #98
I don't think many have. GemDigger May 2019 #99
I suspect the people who are talking the most smack are the least likely to have actually read the r EffieBlack May 2019 #101
I have thought the same thing. You can lead a horse to water, but ....... GemDigger May 2019 #104
Let's face it, the Mueller Report doesn't exactly read like a Steven King novel Poiuyt May 2019 #131
It's not *that* hard, and if people really cared about what Mueller found and described, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #133
And if he testified in public without setting his hair on for or jumping up on the table StarfishSaver May 2019 #135
Didn't you know? If it's not on TV it didn't happen. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #139
And why doesn't he just do an interview with Lester Holt so we don't have to StarfishSaver May 2019 #141
Americans won't read it, they won't read anything that is the issue here. redstatebluegirl May 2019 #78
You think people who will only pay attention if they can watch in their lawn chairs eating Cheetos EffieBlack May 2019 #84
My point is, when Nixon was being investigated most Americans still read a newspaper and kept up redstatebluegirl May 2019 #88
Not seeing Mueller sitting at the table testifying won't mean they won't get the details EffieBlack May 2019 #89
They'll get *better* details from the transcript of a closed hearing than they would The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #134
Sad thing is that your script isn't a joke StarfishSaver May 2019 #137
Yup. I know. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #140
I never thought I'd say this, but Mr Mueller, get your ass in that chair donkeypoofed May 2019 #81
If I were a playwright, I would create a stage play Politicub May 2019 #82
No, Mueller is not afraid. CaptainTruth May 2019 #83
How many people would actually watch his testimony on TV during the day? The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #85
This right here is the best post on this topic so far! EffieBlack May 2019 #91
The video of Mueller testifying would be shown over and over again by every news organization. shockey80 May 2019 #94
And everyone would see the GOPers' shit-flinging, which would be used The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #96
More fear. shockey80 May 2019 #106
So Right DallasNE May 2019 #92
You think Fox viewers would change their minds because they saw Robert Mueller say something on tv? EffieBlack May 2019 #102
A Certain Percentage Of Them, Yes DallasNE May 2019 #118
I admit I'd like to see it live. Turin_C3PO May 2019 #93
Republican party before Country. nt Catherine Vincent May 2019 #95
By not testifying in public to not appear political NewJeffCT May 2019 #103
You know who won't read it? moondust May 2019 #105
Mueller and Pelosi are strong, experienced, powerful, long term strategic players in these battles. empedocles May 2019 #107
I know this, Trumps winning by running out the clock. shockey80 May 2019 #109
We all know trump is trying to win by running out the clock. Pelosi surely knows this. empedocles May 2019 #113
I am not angry with Pelosi, yet. I am angry with Mueller. shockey80 May 2019 #114
Right now, Trump is on TV lying over and over about the investigation, the report. shockey80 May 2019 #108
The evidence so far, is that no one shot has been enough to KO or TKO trump. empedocles May 2019 #112
when Barr holds his hearings of the 'witch hunt' it will be in prime time. spanone May 2019 #117
yes many on DU think we should placate repubs by not having live hearings, cuz repubs might be mad msongs May 2019 #120
Screw it, if you can't read it... RichardRay May 2019 #119
I doubt that most of the people screaming the loudest about this read the report themselves EffieBlack May 2019 #121
Most of the loudest posters here Codeine May 2019 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2019 #126
Mueller isn't afraid. AncientGeezer May 2019 #136
Thank you! StarfishSaver May 2019 #138
K&R... spanone May 2019 #142

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
76. There's not, but, Mueller let the Traitor-in-Chief of the hook... IMHO, by design.
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:52 AM
May 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,568 posts)
125. I'm not sure how to respond to your assertion.
Fri May 24, 2019, 03:54 PM
May 2019

I suppose I could say it doesn't matter what Mueller found out/uncovered/put in his report, because Barr FUCKING BLOCKED it. So how do you know what Mueller did or didn't do?

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
2. Take whatever we can get at this time to help clear matters up, but...
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:14 AM
May 2019

...put the pressure on him to return in public if there is a dispute about what he says.

Surely, there will be.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
3. A private meeting will not clear up anything
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:16 AM
May 2019

because the transcripts will be misrepresented by republicans the same way his report was.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
13. Doesn't matter that there is more Dems in the hearing
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:31 AM
May 2019

because the republicans at the hearing will not be the only ones misrepresenting it. For starters Trump will misrepresent what the transcripts say and probably Barr too and not a single elected republican other than maybe Justin Amash will correct their lies.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
14. They would say the same things if public testimony took place...
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:53 AM
May 2019

Whatever it takes for Mueller to set the record straight is fine, IMO.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
18. Yes they would but it would not be nearly as effective
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:01 AM
May 2019

after the public hears the truth directly from Mueller's lips. Plus the video clips of Mueller's testimony would be repeated on the news pretty frequently reinforcing the truth with the public in the face of Trump's lies.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
19. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see public testimony...
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:05 AM
May 2019

...but if the best we can get is a transcript, it's better than no testimony at all.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #19)

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
27. The point is to disrupt, not to generate any positive result.
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:33 AM
May 2019

So they would still complain and it would still have an effect. That's the point.

Response to standingtall (Reply #3)

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
4. I think Mueller doesn't want to pull "a Comey"
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:17 AM
May 2019

...i.e. politically affect anything going into 2020 by testifying in public.

If he wants to do it in private, and then have a transcript of the testimony released, I'm ok with it.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
35. He's already pulled a Comey by allowing Barr
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:46 AM
May 2019

to summarize his report to America as no collusion, no obstruction.
He has allowed Trump to use his report to publicly exonerate himself.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
43. He has stayed quiet and is now playing games on testifying
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:55 AM
May 2019

AFAIC, that’s allowing.


Has he made public statements otherwise?

He could easily say that’s not what the report says without providing details. And if the boss won’t allow it the you quit and publicly state why.

He’s not poor, in desperate need of a job.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
48. Gee he submitted a letter
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:03 AM
May 2019

how thoroughly unimpressive.
Did not fully capture the nature?

He has a mouth he can use it. He can testify in front of the public to help aleve any of that confusion tater than adding to it hiding behind closed doors so that his words can be more easily misinterpreted. Like I said, body language and tones and inflections matter a lot.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
55. just him sending a letter was a huge sign
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:10 AM
May 2019

according to a former federal prosecutor that knew Mueller, it was the equivalent of Mueller standing outside DOJ and setting himself on fire, in his words

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
110. Did you read the letter?
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:04 PM
May 2019

He might as well have given Barr a back rub.


Just like his statement in the report that says they found no evidence of conspiracy between Trumps campaign and the Russians. He never interviewed key people.


Btw Lawyers speak with the public all the time.
Your “ just doing his job” with added subtle insult doesn’t cut it.


I’ll be ecstatically happy if Mueller ends up being nonpartisan and did a thorough job, though I don’t see how he could without those key interviews.

Mueller’s actions are obviously being seen as political as he tries to come off as nonpartisan by hiding behind closed doors.
So how’s this decision working out? Not well, and he has time to do the right thing.

Want to know what won’t look partisan? The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in front of the American public.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
111. *sigh*
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:08 PM
May 2019

No, that letter was not anything of the sort. It was very strongly worded for such a low-key guy like Director Mueller.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
115. Please
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:29 PM
May 2019

It was weak and I’ve worked at corporate level and thus understand diplomacy in correspondence with authorities or higher ups. this letter Mueller wrote is so civil it’s unjust.

I can’t believe the lengths people will go through to stifle any negative talk of Mueller.
It’s irresponsible and it raises more red flags when adults can’t discuss them.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
122. If you're jumping through hoops
Fri May 24, 2019, 03:02 PM
May 2019

because you support Mueller testifying behind closed doors, then yes. It’s naive to think we’re not going to get a GOP “shit show” regardless of private or public testimony. There’s no reason to testify behind closed doors unless you have something to hide.

Response to Nuggets (Reply #122)

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
51. In a letter. One of which no one has seen.
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:05 AM
May 2019

Not opening your mouth is the same as supporting the lie. Sad.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
56. Thank you! And from the NYT...
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:10 AM
May 2019
Mr. Mueller’s tone and tenor are remarkable — and a sharp rebuke to Mr. Barr.

“The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions,” Mr. Mueller wrote in a letter addressed to Mr. Barr.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/opinion/barr-mueller-letter.htm

That "snitty" letter. Not many remember it and RW publications never published it. Besides, do wingers read... much?

Response to Nuggets (Reply #35)

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
130. Eh
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:44 PM
May 2019

It's not 2020 yet. And if it affects Trump politically, we deserve to know about it before he stands for re-election in 2020.

Taraman

(373 posts)
7. Perhaps we are relying too much on this Good Marine
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:23 AM
May 2019

Maybe he's not up to the task.

I remember relying on Colin Powell as the only voice to stop the Iraqi War madness. He can do all the apology tours he wants for the rest of his life, but I'll never forget.

Response to emmaverybo (Reply #8)

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
9. Congress doesn't even bother to read the Mueller report for the most part. I doubt many
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:23 AM
May 2019

Americans have read it. IMO that is why Mueller needs to publicly discuss the report. Otherwise, it will not get out to the public in a meaningful way, because they will only get bits and drabs ... and interpreted versions like Barr did. This is too far important to let it pass.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
12. I don't think this would be even remotely comparable to the Comey situation
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:28 AM
May 2019

After Hilary was cleared he came out and gave a public speech calling her irresponsible. Then 11 days before the election he announced the investigation might be reopened and didn't say oh never mind until 3 days before the election.

I think by Mueller not testifying publicly he kind of his pulling a Comey in the sense that he is trying to placate republicans. Without his public testimony I don't see how this situation will turnout any different than when his report was released and misrepresented by Barr.

mopinko

(70,085 posts)
15. we need to see the look on his face, and how long he pauses to think
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:55 AM
May 2019

before he answers a hot but simple question.

yes, we need him on the teevee, not another written report for teevee nation.

mitch96

(13,892 posts)
16. From what I've read/heard he does not want a republican shit show..
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:56 AM
May 2019

When the cameras roll the actors come out.. I'm ok with it. Live, closed doors with the transcript what ever...
m

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
37. Too bad
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:50 AM
May 2019

Americans need to see his testimony Americans need to see a Republican shit show and see them for who they are.

mitch96

(13,892 posts)
47. I think it would devolve into repukes acting out and not the testimony
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:58 AM
May 2019

Like I said, for me it's about the info not the show... I've got Netflix for that..
m

Response to mitch96 (Reply #47)

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
60. Yes and I want the unedited version live in person
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:17 AM
May 2019

And if Republicans act out that will be telling too.
Harris made a complete fool out of Barr. Schiff shut them down on trying to shut down any more investigations. Dems have done well countering these narcissists.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
75. +1, its naive to think there was NOT going to be a crap show with republicans. He should have ...
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:45 AM
May 2019

... prepared for it.

Things are already political, that was always part of the assignment ... he should not have taken it if that is not what he wanted.

sop

(10,162 posts)
86. Someone said he didn't want to sit through Congressman Jim Jordan's histrionics
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:15 AM
May 2019

Jordan (the guy who can't afford a suit jacket) and the rest of the Republicans would turn a public hearing into a complete shit show, with questions about Hillary, Benghazi, Comey, Spying, "his 18 angry Democrats," ad nauseum.

Cousin Dupree

(1,866 posts)
132. Mueller's in the middle of the shit show that he created in part. Does he not know that?
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:50 PM
May 2019

He’s such a disappointment

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
17. Imagine Mueller answering these question live on TV.
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:59 AM
May 2019

If there was no DOJ rule stating you cannot indict a sitting president. Would you have indicted the president?

Did AG Barr lie about your findings in the report? I am sure the democrats would have even better questions for Mueller.

Seeing Mueller answer questions live would change everything. I believe the whole dam country would watch.

Delmette2.0

(4,164 posts)
44. The Dems need to coordinate their questions.
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:57 AM
May 2019

And be ready to follow up for more information.

I feel like the Dems just leave it to each individual to come up with their own questions. Which is good up to a point, bit there needs to be a continuous thread of what needs to be brought out to the public.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
100. They do. The questions and topics are carefully coordinated
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:33 PM
May 2019

The problem is that it's very difficult to cover much in 5 minutes - and it's even more challenging to keep the focus of the public when they dig into a topic then have to yield to a Republican who purposely diverts and distracts from the previous line of questioning.

sop

(10,162 posts)
90. I'd like to know:
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:24 AM
May 2019

- Did Barr order you to stop your investigation? Why?

- Did you believe it important to know if Trump was financially compromised by foreign interests? Why didn't you follow the the money?

- Did Rosenstein limit the scope of your inquiry and the ultimate report? Did you uncolver any information about Trump's foreign financial entanglements not included in your report? If so, who has that information?

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
22. Yep, I think for many it's a 5 minute blitz on the TV from whichever source they use.
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:11 AM
May 2019

Few will ever read it IMO. And depending on which source they us, the info. could be full of distortions and half-truths, etc.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
24. Yep, same here. That is really what's needed ... then people start to watch. I had enough to
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:29 AM
May 2019

read in college, let alone reading more, but I did watch the TV for the hearings ... some of it.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
21. Many people will not believe something unless they see it, hear it.
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:09 AM
May 2019

The Nixon tapes changed everything. The people woke up.

Taraman

(373 posts)
29. I don't know why, but I still think he's an honorable man
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:35 AM
May 2019

who finds all this very repugnant.

So I ask you, Director Mueller, as an honorable man, will you do this for us? Will you tell the story to your fellow Americans?

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
30. Mueller attending and speaking to Congress in a closed session would be great.
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:35 AM
May 2019

The rethuglicons would make a circus out of a televised open session which would be unproductive.

Taraman

(373 posts)
46. I don't believe in evil
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:58 AM
May 2019

but I believe in ignorance and in redemption. Everyone is a work in progress. However, I am often disappointed...

Very disappointed lately.

Firestorm49

(4,032 posts)
45. Damn right.
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:57 AM
May 2019

And especially right now when Trump is pulling another power play by giving Barr oversight over the intel. community.

This is getting downright scary. And despite the handwriting on our foreheads, we sit here fat, dumb, and happy and watch, and like me, bitch. It’s time to take it to the streets in protest while we still can.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
66. Yes he is. He will have to speak to change my mind.
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:29 AM
May 2019

He has already allowed the people he was investigating take over the narrative. Shame.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
61. Under Trump's new AG declaration, Barr to deem Mueller testimony transcript as Classified
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:17 AM
May 2019

thereby not allowing it to be made public. Can see it coming from here.

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
62. How do propose to have this happen...
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:18 AM
May 2019

Bottom line, most people will never choose to watch a minute of Mueller's testimony, even if it's broadcast.

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
63. It's more political if Mueller doesn't testify
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:20 AM
May 2019

Word is that Mueller doesn't want to testify because it will make things political. Well it's already political because of Barr. Mueller wouldn't be needing to testify if Barr hadn't misrepresented his report. Since Barr has distorted the truth for politics, Mueller needs to take the politics out and give us the truth. Mueller needs to stand up for his country and stop these lying scum bags.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
71. +1, what did Mueller think would happen when he took the job. He should've thought worst case ...
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:39 AM
May 2019

... whatever he was going to say was going to be political.

Disappointed

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
87. He's testifying. A transcript will be released. The only question is whether
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:17 AM
May 2019

his testimony will be televised, allowing the GOP to throw shit and grandstand for their base.

Takket

(21,561 posts)
68. Mueller strikes me as the kind of guy...
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:32 AM
May 2019

Who sets his cruise control so he doesn’t accidentally go 26 in a 25 zone. Except right now he is trying not to speed while a tornado is beating down on him from behind.

StarzGuy

(254 posts)
72. What did we expect...
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:40 AM
May 2019

...from an obvious republican? So sad that this guy was given the task of investigating their own. The patriots are us, we must insist that Muller give his testimony in public and let the facts fall as they may.

I've hated this from the get go. I really didn't expect much from the Muller report and all the misinformation by Barr and his cronies in the first place. Our country is under attack by the treasonous moron pResident, the repuke party and Putin's mob crime syndicate.

We can not wait for the next election. Impeach pResident will set a standard that we will no longer put up with this.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
73. I am sick to death of Mueller pulling his punches.
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:41 AM
May 2019

The first half-dozen times he did it, his enablers had some sort of legal justification. That doesn't cut it, any more. We need his full-scale help in preventing trump from dismembering this country---and that help is not forthcoming from him. Enough, already.

It's just like Jeff Daniels said on MSNBC a few days ago: We are in desperate need of a hero, here and now. Mueller or somebody on his staff needs to walk an unredacted copy of his report over to the Washington Post and/or the NY Times, and let the chips fall where they may.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
77. If people are too lazy to read it then that is their problem for being to fucking lazy to read
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:57 AM
May 2019

something so important. The audio is also online for people who are too lazy to read it but if they are too lazy to listen to it then that is a problem with the people not Mueller.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955249-Report.html

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
80. Thank you!
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:00 AM
May 2019

And if they're too lazy to read it, they probably don't have the attention span to watch the whole thing and digest it intelligently. And the last thing we need is to base our moves on people who respond to Mueller's testimony because they like his looks or don't like the way he sounds ...

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
99. I don't think many have.
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:29 PM
May 2019

I have thought about that as well, maybe you should ask. Nodding my head.


Edit: Would they have the courage to answer honestly though?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
101. I suspect the people who are talking the most smack are the least likely to have actually read the r
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:39 PM
May 2019

And they're also the ones for whom Mueller's testimony will make the least difference since they're sure they already know all the facts and aren't interested in actually learning anything new but just want to be entertained with a show.

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
131. Let's face it, the Mueller Report doesn't exactly read like a Steven King novel
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:48 PM
May 2019

While it is understandable, it is VERY dense reading.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
133. It's not *that* hard, and if people really cared about what Mueller found and described,
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:03 PM
May 2019

you'd think they'd make the effort to read the thing instead of just griping and whining. I thought it was fascinating.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
135. And if he testified in public without setting his hair on for or jumping up on the table
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:24 PM
May 2019

people would criticize him for being "boring."

I used to often say that reality television was the death of civilization as we knew it. I meant that it was a slow degradation of standards and art, but had no idea weed find ourself being governed by an out-of-control reality show star who is literally damaging our civilization.

And now we're seeing evidence of another downside of a reality show environment as people expect serious matters like governments and congressional oversight to be spoonfed to them like the latest episode of "Survivor."

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
139. Didn't you know? If it's not on TV it didn't happen.
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:28 PM
May 2019

And if it's in a 450-page book it's toooo haaard! And I don't wanna reead! And why isn't it on YouTube so I can watch it on my phone?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
141. And why doesn't he just do an interview with Lester Holt so we don't have to
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:33 PM
May 2019

read a transcript?

We deserve the TRUTH!

But we deserve to have it spoonfed to us because reading is hard!

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
78. Americans won't read it, they won't read anything that is the issue here.
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:59 AM
May 2019

Everything in tweet bites, that is the only thing many Americans can handle. The lack of intellect and curiosity in this country is more than alarming. I agree, unless he testifies, and people can sit in their lounge chairs eating cheetos watching it on tv, it will never see the light of day.

I also agree he is scared. There is something very sinister going on right now and I don't think any of us know what that is but we had better get smart quickly or we are going to lose our country to the rich and powerful nuts in this country.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
84. You think people who will only pay attention if they can watch in their lawn chairs eating Cheetos
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:11 AM
May 2019

are likely to make any intelligent assessment of the information presents in his testimony?

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
88. My point is, when Nixon was being investigated most Americans still read a newspaper and kept up
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:18 AM
May 2019

with what was going on, they could read and comprehend the issues presented to them. I don't think many Americans today have that capability. I agree that those who can't do it cannot assess the information, but the only way they will even see it is if it presented in small bites on tv and twitter.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
89. Not seeing Mueller sitting at the table testifying won't mean they won't get the details
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:23 AM
May 2019

on Twitter and television. He'll be quoted, people will be talking about it, discussing it, dissecting it, picking apart every word, repeating what he said. I


We're not talking about either he testifies live or people must personally read the whole transcript or they'll be completely in the dark.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
134. They'll get *better* details from the transcript of a closed hearing than they would
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:18 PM
May 2019

from truncated answers to five minutes of tendentious questions posed by GOPers wanting to create sound bites to be broadcast on Fox for their rabid base.

GOP Rep: "You're a Democrat, aren't you?"

Mueller: "No, I'm..."

GOP Rep: "You were Barack Obama's FBI Director, weren't you?"

Mueller: "Yes, but I..."

GOP Rep: "Appointed by a Democrat president, correct?"

Mueller: "Yes, but..."

GOP Rep: "So you're a Democrat. Moving along, isn't it true that you didn't investigate Hillary Clinton while you were acting as Special Counsel?"

Mueller: "No, we didn't, but that's because...

GOP Rep: "And you didn't fire Peter Strzok or Lisa Page even though they were working on the investigation and stated in emails how much they opposed President Trump?"

Mueller: "No. I took them off the investigation."

GOP Rep: "But you didn't fire these two conflicted Democrats!"

Mueller: "No, it wasn't necessary..."

GOP Rep: "So, you thought it was just fine to have conflicted Democrats working for the FBI?"

Mueller: "That's not what..."

GOP Rep: "My time is up; that's all the questions I have."

And so forth.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
81. I never thought I'd say this, but Mr Mueller, get your ass in that chair
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:03 AM
May 2019

The majority of Americans wouldn't be reading your fucken transcript- so now sit down and start talking!!🤬

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
82. If I were a playwright, I would create a stage play
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:06 AM
May 2019

And then ask celebrities to do a live-streamed table read.

Dustin Lance Black raised awareness of the backdrop of the Prop 8 marriage equality decision in this way. It was powerful to see the stories of discrimination that the plaintiffs endured.

The Mueller report is jaw dropping in how it describes how Russians worked to affect elections, how Trump appointees tried to collaborate with Russians after Trump took office, and how Trump attempted to obstruct justice at every turn. The report left me shook. It makes me angry that Russian interference has been swept under the rug.

Dramatizing part 1 of volume 1 (election interference, coordination with Wikileaks, etc) alone would be a great play.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
85. How many people would actually watch his testimony on TV during the day?
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:14 AM
May 2019

The same people who read the report would watch the testimony - politics nerds like us. Most people wouldn't watch anyhow. Mueller isn't afraid; he's testified in public many times. But he doesn't want to give the questioners a chance to grandstand, which you can bet your ass the GOPers would do, providing more red meat for Trump's base to gnaw on. I'd like to see his live testimony, but if the cost of that would be providing the GOPers an opportunity to fling shit like a cage full of monkeys, I'm satisfied with a public opening statement and a complete transcript.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
94. The video of Mueller testifying would be shown over and over again by every news organization.
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:32 AM
May 2019

Everyone would see it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
96. And everyone would see the GOPers' shit-flinging, which would be used
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:49 AM
May 2019

to inflame the base and bolster Trump's message that Mueller is part of the "deep state" that's trying to destroy him. Avoiding the enabling of more of Trump's propaganda is a good reason not to televise the testimony.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
106. More fear.
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:49 PM
May 2019

It does not matter what the Republicans say. All that matters is what Mueller says live on TV, under oath. The fear has to end in this country.

All I hear from everyone is we can't do this because this might happen. It's all fear.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
92. So Right
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:25 AM
May 2019

Especially for Fox viewers. With transcripts all they will see is things that do no damage, like the Nixon edited transcripts. The cover up will be completed. And Mueller must realize this too. The constant bullying has been highly successful.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
102. You think Fox viewers would change their minds because they saw Robert Mueller say something on tv?
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:45 PM
May 2019

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
118. A Certain Percentage Of Them, Yes
Fri May 24, 2019, 02:08 PM
May 2019

Even 5% of them would be enough to cause great damage to his reelection efforts. And viewers of other networks would see some movement too. But, bottom line, it is the right thing to do in the name of transparency.

Turin_C3PO

(13,964 posts)
93. I admit I'd like to see it live.
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:28 AM
May 2019

But I can understand his thinking too; that the KGOP would grandstand and throw mud at him in order to create sound bites for their deplorable base. I’ll be satisfied with a complete transcript of the testimony.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
103. By not testifying in public to not appear political
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:46 PM
May 2019

he is giving in to Trump. Trump has been trying to make it political since the start, and it looks like by not testifying in public, he is giving in to Trump.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
105. You know who won't read it?
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:49 PM
May 2019

Trumpanzees, some of whom may be dangerous. (See: Cesar Sayoc, others) Mueller may be concerned about what some of them might do if they watch him tell all in plain English on the teevee machine.

Just a possibility.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
107. Mueller and Pelosi are strong, experienced, powerful, long term strategic players in these battles.
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:50 PM
May 2019

It's bothersome to read casual descriptions of these great justice fighters, being called with trump-like shallow labels as 'afraid' and 'timid' - by short term opiners with a small fraction of the understanding of what is going on in these wars.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
109. I know this, Trumps winning by running out the clock.
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:55 PM
May 2019

He is winning because of fear. The Trump presidency should have ended with the release of the Mueller report. Things got worse.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
113. We all know trump is trying to win by running out the clock. Pelosi surely knows this.
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:21 PM
May 2019

As a strategist, Pelosi is not going to tip her hand more than she has to. Pelosi, like most successful over time politicians, has to plan and work on two opposed fronts.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
114. I am not angry with Pelosi, yet. I am angry with Mueller.
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:24 PM
May 2019

To put it bluntly, he has fucked up and he needs to set shit right.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
108. Right now, Trump is on TV lying over and over about the investigation, the report.
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:52 PM
May 2019

Mueller is the only one that can put an end to Trumps lying. He must testify in public period. If he doesn't Trump wins.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
112. The evidence so far, is that no one shot has been enough to KO or TKO trump.
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:15 PM
May 2019

There have been a surprising? number of big hits: pussy grabbing, trump's own collusion confessions on network tv, Manafort conviction, guilty pleas of key trumpers, quotes from the barr Mueller report, etc., etc.

Mueller's live testimony might well lock in the numbers to assure Impeachment vote in the House, and probably move the needle at least somewhat on trump's polls, - but in light of the past 2 years, no KO/TKO.

Imo, as the trump criminality evidence compounds, especially the traitor evidence, trump will be in deeper trouble. Then, trump may go beyond taunting the Dem base for Impeachment, and go all out to bring on Impeachment sooner than Pelosi would, as his best chance to survive, before his support declines further. Pelosi and Mueller have been strong strategic thinkers.

spanone

(135,826 posts)
117. when Barr holds his hearings of the 'witch hunt' it will be in prime time.
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:49 PM
May 2019

and if you refuse his subpoena you will be immediately jailed.

msongs

(67,395 posts)
120. yes many on DU think we should placate repubs by not having live hearings, cuz repubs might be mad
Fri May 24, 2019, 02:18 PM
May 2019

or do something theyve never done in history like fling political poo. can't have that now can we?

RichardRay

(2,611 posts)
119. Screw it, if you can't read it...
Fri May 24, 2019, 02:16 PM
May 2019

...you get what you deserve. Pass a quiz on the contents of the report as published, then ask questions or make comments. If you can’t read, it available (for free) at Audible.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
127. Most of the loudest posters here
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:01 PM
May 2019

have never even read the fucking Constitution, much less anything as comparatively arcane as the Mueller Report.

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
136. Mueller isn't afraid.
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:24 PM
May 2019

He's willing to testify in front of House Cmt's, in closed session...to keep private, that material, that by law, must be kept private.
There was a post here about who had read the Report....I was shocked by those that said no

Some witnesses have a right to privacy. Many investigative procedures need to stay secret. 6E info can't be without a Court order...

It's not up to Mueller.....there's Law

Millions aren't going to watch...It's not American Idol.

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