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Malcolm Nance: "We are in grave danger."...."No one will ever share intelligence with us again." (Original Post) triron May 2019 OP
I'd been waiting to see Nance's response. This is devastating... hlthe2b May 2019 #1
Plus there's a typo. Scary times. n/t rzemanfl May 2019 #3
It's game over. The tipping point is past. Lock him up. May 2019 #59
most of them are secondary and tertiary recipients of what the kremlin recognized years certainot May 2019 #67
Did Nadler faint? Needs to get a blood test, putin may have poisoned him Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #2
Hot room.. He is apparently ok. hlthe2b May 2019 #4
Nadler is very overweight zentrum May 2019 #17
Perhaps you should post saidsimplesimon May 2019 #47
Nadler collapsed yesterday. zentrum May 2019 #69
Nadler had surgery and lost a great deal of weight lunatica May 2019 #55
I think it looks like he's lost a lot of weight, which he is known to have done a few brewens May 2019 #63
Heat + dehydration NastyRiffraff May 2019 #31
K&R... spanone May 2019 #5
This explains the trip to London. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #49
If anyone in the intelligence agencies had an ounce of patriotism blueinredohio May 2019 #6
They should simply refuse to comply with any requests for classified intelligence sop May 2019 #32
Good idea lets hope they do this nt Meowmee May 2019 #57
Contempt? He can just fire them for insubordination. And then KPN May 2019 #61
Good. Then they go on CNN daily to say why they were fired sharedvalues May 2019 #66
Daddy approves. moondust May 2019 #7
Winner take all, gives back crumbs. Lock him up. May 2019 #60
To be honest, I imagine foreign intelligence services and the like have already stopped ... SWBTATTReg May 2019 #8
As long as Needy Amin is using his unsecure phone gratuitous May 2019 #10
Who said his phone was not secure? I'm sure the FSB has secured it against NSA taps. erronis May 2019 #21
Sounds plausible...eom sprinkleeninow May 2019 #29
They don't say they can run it better, Mr.Bill May 2019 #37
Republicans' job is to make sure government stays out of the way klook May 2019 #44
I want to know who the stupid fucks are that vote for candidates who hate government? CrispyQ May 2019 #68
They're called republicans. n/t Mr.Bill May 2019 #70
barr House impeachment a must. Timing will be crucial! empedocles May 2019 #9
Putin & the GOP terrorists have put this country in grave danger yaesu May 2019 #11
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #14
Putin's man in Oval Office RedParrot May 2019 #12
My generation, also. maddiemom May 2019 #26
My family lived in Germany when the Berlin Wall went up. It was an incredibly tense period japple May 2019 #36
Wow. Scary time for your family. glad it worked out. dameatball May 2019 #39
I still have my dogtags.. SoCalDem May 2019 #50
It's funny: PCIntern May 2019 #64
We have got to get Putin out of power. Initech May 2019 #41
Putin Wants Access to All of Our Intelligence Information dlk May 2019 #13
Trump is the one who is guilty of treason. Lonestarblue May 2019 #19
Treason it is! triron May 2019 #22
Excellent question at the end of your post. And concur with your assessment. Evolve Dammit May 2019 #23
+++ nt Meowmee May 2019 #58
I wonder when the Dems will wake up from their bubble and realize he is a danger to the country pdsimdars May 2019 #15
You wonder "when the Dems wake up from their bubble"? The Dems? Honeycombe8 May 2019 #16
Really? nini May 2019 #24
They haven't taken the remedy they were given by the constitution. . . pdsimdars May 2019 #28
I'm sure they're ignoring everything like you say nini May 2019 #34
Wow there is no end to the Republican treachery. Pepsidog May 2019 #18
Duh, that's part of PUtin's grand plans for drumpf - alienate the whole world against us. lark May 2019 #20
If that's the case, and he's an agent, is Melania his handler? Evolve Dammit May 2019 #25
I have wondered about that in the past. lark May 2019 #38
Republicans: Soft on Crime, Weak on Defense JHB May 2019 #27
Recommended. H2O Man May 2019 #30
Agreed. Haggis for Breakfast May 2019 #43
His books are H2O Man May 2019 #46
Is there some patriot organization that can sue and get the courts to block this? MySideOfTown May 2019 #33
When will America say we're just not going to take it anymore? world wide wally May 2019 #35
If Malcolm Nance says this, then we are well and truly fucked. Dave Starsky May 2019 #40
And he has a new book coming out in November of this year. Haggis for Breakfast May 2019 #45
Practically speaking... orangecrush May 2019 #42
How many times since the Inauguration have I thought BobTheSubgenius May 2019 #48
It will get worse unless someone stops Trump. Much worse. (Sorry) triron May 2019 #52
I can't disagree. BobTheSubgenius May 2019 #71
My hope is dimming. triron May 2019 #72
Mr. Nance has saidsimplesimon May 2019 #51
Trump needs to be put away. triron May 2019 #53
The lack of intelligence comes from the top. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2019 #54
I believe Malcolm Nance. lunatica May 2019 #56
+100 Rhiannon12866 May 2019 #62
Nance isn't given to hyperbole; he has served our country well, and his assessment is sobering. VOX May 2019 #65

Lock him up.

(6,925 posts)
59. It's game over. The tipping point is past.
Sat May 25, 2019, 03:25 AM
May 2019

And to think 40% of nutjobs have no idea or just don't give a f

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
67. most of them are secondary and tertiary recipients of what the kremlin recognized years
Sat May 25, 2019, 10:30 AM
May 2019

ago was an incredibly successful republican propaganda operation. probably 10 or so years ago around the time manafort was cochair of the mccain campaign they figured out how to use limbaugh to push palin on mccain.

most of those people don't know it but are just waiting for the left and dems to start giving talk radio the credit it deserves - and protest and boycott it until the ad industry has to stop using reluctant and apathetic advertisers to prop it up. enough of their clients get hit with bad publicity and boycotts and they'll have to start asking if they really want to support trump and global warming denial and a war with iran before they put them on those radio stations.

and artificial intelligence now makes that easier than ever - putin/trump's only unique advantage can't survive stopprush x100

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
17. Nadler is very overweight
Fri May 24, 2019, 04:31 PM
May 2019

When I saw him at a community meeting the other day my first thought was he doesn't look healthy---just when the country really needs him. Labored breath. Struggles to heave himself up a few stairs. Has a kind of limp ---or at least walks as if he's in pain.

Felt very anxious for him.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
55. Nadler had surgery and lost a great deal of weight
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:53 AM
May 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/16/nyregion/nadler-as-a-last-resort-sheds-weight-by-surgery.html

He can actually move much better than he did before the surgery. He is under stress and it was too hot. He’s OK now.

brewens

(13,557 posts)
63. I think it looks like he's lost a lot of weight, which he is known to have done a few
Sat May 25, 2019, 05:00 AM
May 2019

times. He may be one of those people that still have the big folds of loose skin to deal with so he never will look thin.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
49. This explains the trip to London.
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:50 PM
May 2019

Our Benedict Arnold is expecting the pomp and circumstance of a favoured sun(never rises on the empire). snark poorly disguised

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
6. If anyone in the intelligence agencies had an ounce of patriotism
Fri May 24, 2019, 02:40 PM
May 2019

They would nip this in the bud right now. If someone doesn't step up we are screwed.

sop

(10,140 posts)
32. They should simply refuse to comply with any requests for classified intelligence
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:33 PM
May 2019

You know, just like Trump, Barr and the rest of his henchmen are stonewalling subpoenas to testify before Congress and litigating requests for documents. Mnuchin and IRS are violating the law with impunity, why not the intelligence agencies? Let Trump threaten them with contempt of whatever, file suits and take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

KPN

(15,641 posts)
61. Contempt? He can just fire them for insubordination. And then
Sat May 25, 2019, 03:59 AM
May 2019

have them physically removed from federal premises by federal law enforcement officers. He doesn’t need to threaten with contempt.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
66. Good. Then they go on CNN daily to say why they were fired
Sat May 25, 2019, 08:56 AM
May 2019

The problem is that all the people who left this admin have no courage to go public.

SWBTATTReg

(22,097 posts)
8. To be honest, I imagine foreign intelligence services and the like have already stopped ...
Fri May 24, 2019, 02:54 PM
May 2019

sharing any intelligence with the US because of this idiotic administration. And republicans claim that they can run government better, eh?

Pathetic.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. As long as Needy Amin is using his unsecure phone
Fri May 24, 2019, 03:41 PM
May 2019

And after giving the Russians unfettered access to the Oval Office, our allies have to be on notice that any intelligence they have to share is going directly to the Kremlin.

Mr.Bill

(24,262 posts)
37. They don't say they can run it better,
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:23 PM
May 2019

they say it doesn't work, period. Then they get elected and prove it. I always found it curious that they want to be in charge of something they say doesn't work.

CrispyQ

(36,437 posts)
68. I want to know who the stupid fucks are that vote for candidates who hate government?
Sat May 25, 2019, 11:00 AM
May 2019

WTF?

You wouldn't hire the candidate who told you they hate your company.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
11. Putin & the GOP terrorists have put this country in grave danger
Fri May 24, 2019, 03:56 PM
May 2019

and yet, they are still in power.

Response to yaesu (Reply #11)

 

RedParrot

(112 posts)
12. Putin's man in Oval Office
Fri May 24, 2019, 03:59 PM
May 2019

I grew up during the Cold War. Schools had “duck and cover” drills. The mushroom cloud was in our nightmares and culture. I never thought I would see the day that Russia would have an agent inside the Oval Office.

Be afraid!

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
26. My generation, also.
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:09 PM
May 2019

I don't believe the U.S.S.R. was as much of a threat during those years as Russia under Putin, plus most of the major Republicans, is today.

japple

(9,819 posts)
36. My family lived in Germany when the Berlin Wall went up. It was an incredibly tense period
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:15 PM
May 2019

for the US military and their dependents who were stationed there. There were frequent drills in school and everything was on high alert. Mom and Dad had those "talks" with us children about where our important family papers were kept, what to do in the event of an alert, what information we should give out if we were apprehended: father's name, rank and serial number. We were supposed to wear our dog tags and to be vigilant.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
50. I still have my dogtags..
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:57 PM
May 2019

We lived in Panama during the Cuban Missile crisis..although a 5th grade teacher leveled with us..said we would be vaporized instantly ..said it would not hurt..

PCIntern

(25,514 posts)
64. It's funny:
Sat May 25, 2019, 06:05 AM
May 2019

My fifth grade teacher had been in the WAC. She was really swift and said essentially the same thing. This was near Philly - we had many military installations here at the time and knew we were on the list for the first strike

Initech

(100,054 posts)
41. We have got to get Putin out of power.
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:17 PM
May 2019

I don't know how or what it's going to take but that man is on a warpath for world domination. It would have to take the collective resources of the entire world to get him out but we are dealing with a totalitarian psychopath. He's got to go.

Lonestarblue

(9,959 posts)
19. Trump is the one who is guilty of treason.
Fri May 24, 2019, 04:47 PM
May 2019

If I remember correctly, most of the agents who lost their jobs were Russian specialists, so getting rid of them meant less expertise to analyze Russian intel and actions. After getting rid of as many Russian specialists as he could, Trump—and Barr—want to collect even more information for Putin by identifying the people who have worked undercover in Russia for decades to provide intel for national security. If identified, those people will be killed immediately. Even the heads-in-the-sand Republicans ought to be able to follow that likely outcome. Are there any options for stopping this dangerous action? Impeachment would take far too long. We need some immediate action to stop this. Can Congress pass something to overturn Trump’s executive order?

nini

(16,672 posts)
24. Really?
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:06 PM
May 2019

You don't think they know this. Have you heard about McConnell yet and all the obstruction that is helping 45?



 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
28. They haven't taken the remedy they were given by the constitution. . .
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:18 PM
May 2019

are they waiting until Putin kills some of our assets that Barr reveals? Would that be the signal to worry less about the electoral "politics" and more about the principal?

lark

(23,078 posts)
20. Duh, that's part of PUtin's grand plans for drumpf - alienate the whole world against us.
Fri May 24, 2019, 04:57 PM
May 2019

Make us weak then take us out so we are just another Russian satellite for the sole profit & benefit of the worldwide white oligarch establishment centered in Russia.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
43. Agreed.
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:24 PM
May 2019

When Nance talks, I listen very closely. When he writes books, I buy them, read them and commit his words to memory.

He reveals things that others cannot come out and say without damage, yet he is careful what he does say.

I have read his books and he has a new one coming out in November, later this year. It's title will be "The Plot to Betray America: How Team Trump Embraced Our Enemies, Compromised Our Security and How We Can Fix It" I think you can pre-order it from Amazon now.

Hell, the last book kept me up at night.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
40. If Malcolm Nance says this, then we are well and truly fucked.
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:47 PM
May 2019

"The Plot to Hack America" and "The Plot to Destroy Democracy" seemed like nervous hand-wringing and possible bullshit when I first read them. But then they ended up being confirmed absolutely TRUE. "The Plot to Destroy Democracy" is, essentially, the unredacted (and probably some of the redacted) portions of the Mueller Report, and he published that book last year. Nance called out Maria Butina as a Russian agent before anyone else knew who the fuck she was. Two months after I read the book, she was busted for being a Russian agent.

Malcolm Nance is a true American patriot, and he KNOWS what he's talking about. His career was in military intelligence, for real.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
45. And he has a new book coming out in November of this year.
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:27 PM
May 2019

It's titled: "The Plot to Betray America." You can pre-order it now on Amazon.com.

orangecrush

(19,492 posts)
42. Practically speaking...
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:44 PM
May 2019

Is there anyone here who knows if steps can be taken by the intelligence services to block Barr's access, and are they likely at all to do so?

I've reached a point where I see no point in wailing and gnashing of teeth, I just want to know what can be done to counter Trump's moves toward autocracy, and if it is going to be done or not.

I expected a horror movie when he took office, but this news managed to make my stomach knot up.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
48. How many times since the Inauguration have I thought
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:38 PM
May 2019

"Oh, this is The Worst thing he's ever done?" This pretty much has to be it.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
71. I can't disagree.
Sun May 26, 2019, 07:48 PM
May 2019

No one can, really. Gotta hope for better, but I feat what's to come, all the same.

I should have added ",,,so far" to the end of my assessment.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
51. Mr. Nance has
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:23 PM
May 2019

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the credentials, I haven't met him but would certainly leap at the chance. "We are in grave danger." Is that Defcon 3, below or above?

The fool has no clue, thinks he is radiation proof, a Roman despot God. Is he roaming around and around our White House at all hours, or locked in his child proof cell (oops Presidential Suite)?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
56. I believe Malcolm Nance.
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:57 AM
May 2019

I hope Barr is obstructed. I believe patriots in the intelligence agencies will fight back. I truly do.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
65. Nance isn't given to hyperbole; he has served our country well, and his assessment is sobering.
Sat May 25, 2019, 06:35 AM
May 2019

More than most talking heads, Nance has a resume of dedicated service that few can equal, so his words carry twice the weight of others.

I find his assessment to be the confirmation of our worst fears.

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