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appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:43 PM May 2019

BLUE or RED? The Place/State/Community where you grew up. Influences?

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What influenced your views & politics the most? Teachers, education, parents, college town, religion, history, political science, civics, law. Friends, current events, news media, reading & books, TV, music, films. Union household or town; employment, travel, community or political activism, campaigns. Human rights, civil rights, social justice, environment, peace/anti war, immigration, labor policy, health & disability issues, more.

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BLUE or RED? The Place/State/Community where you grew up. Influences? (Original Post) appalachiablue May 2019 OP
Bluer than blue. nycbos May 2019 #1
Excellent, how fortunate for you and us. Great city and appalachiablue May 2019 #5
Born, raised and still living in the same Blue State. Dem2theMax May 2019 #2
Naturally you followed you instincts, heart and mind. Compassion appalachiablue May 2019 #7
This area was deep blue but changed to deep red with the loss of Union jobs in steel and coal. doc03 May 2019 #3
Good for you, those are strong Democratic Party associations, appalachiablue May 2019 #9
Red state near a river (thus the name) riverine May 2019 #4
How lucky you are, liberal arts education and studying literary appalachiablue May 2019 #11
Red town in a blue state Generic Brad May 2019 #6
You've seen it all That must require adaptability, having broad appalachiablue May 2019 #12
The Viet Nam war. Liberal In Texas May 2019 #8
The war was such a critical issue then, glad you made it appalachiablue May 2019 #13
Purple RandySF May 2019 #10
I can understand how parenting and concern Re the future, appalachiablue May 2019 #15
Future? RandySF May 2019 #21
Absolutely, for many people here it's day to day, and appalachiablue May 2019 #31
Not sure if it was red or blue back then mia May 2019 #14
Lucky to have such a strong environment- McCarthy hearings, appalachiablue May 2019 #23
Blue - Rhode Island. Influences - grandparents and parents and their values NRaleighLiberal May 2019 #16
Strong history and blue associations. Distancing from authoritarianism, appalachiablue May 2019 #18
Very nice. Grew up in Pawtucket... NRaleighLiberal May 2019 #28
Husband graduated from URI. We enjoyed RI even after got he obtained his degree.. sprinkleeninow May 2019 #54
we did the zillow thing - those are some pricey, pricey houses! NRaleighLiberal May 2019 #68
Blue, mostly. Turin_C3PO May 2019 #17
Broad background there, lucky you with those appalachiablue May 2019 #24
Yes sir, Democratic in my bones and blood lol. Turin_C3PO May 2019 #44
Terrific. Knew it and love Santa Fe. Also briefly appalachiablue May 2019 #46
Red for a long time shanti May 2019 #19
Thank you SoCal for giving us Katie Porter and Katie Hill! riverine May 2019 #25
Interesting background, Jerry Brown and Katie Porter appalachiablue May 2019 #33
Born and raised in Flint, MI Leith May 2019 #20
That's all wonderful, good for you Leith. That famous strike was huge, appalachiablue May 2019 #26
Red State and parents LOVED Nixon. tinrobot May 2019 #22
Terrific, what a real change but you seem appalachiablue May 2019 #27
born and lived in Frankfurt am Main Germany gopiscrap May 2019 #29
Good for you, have travelled through F. a couple times appalachiablue May 2019 #35
I love those areas bitteshoen gopiscrap May 2019 #37
One of my favorite places. a la izquierda May 2019 #69
It's complicated. nolabear May 2019 #30
That's so interesting, I loved the culture and vibes of New appalachiablue May 2019 #42
MLK/Malcolm X/Civil Rights, YIPPIES/Viet Nam war, "marijuana" legalization... GReedDiamond May 2019 #32
Strong history there, so correct that 'red or blue' states appalachiablue May 2019 #38
Yeah, I was thinkin about researching when the "red vs blue states" thing... GReedDiamond May 2019 #41
SE KY, coal country saidsimplesimon May 2019 #34
Hi central A. coal country person. You grandmother sounds appalachiablue May 2019 #40
Sucks, I suspected you saidsimplesimon May 2019 #43
Whut, I have no influence, except with my pooches maybe :) appalachiablue May 2019 #45
This is wild? saidsimplesimon May 2019 #47
Are you a Brit? Liberal In Texas May 2019 #36
Briefly lived & studied in Britain; dreams (fantasies) of returning. Lol. appalachiablue May 2019 #39
Stepdad British. We visited his family in the mid 70's. It was wunnerful! 😤 eom sprinkleeninow May 2019 #58
Wife is a Brit, just got her US citizenship. Liberal In Texas May 2019 #59
Congrats and that's super. On behalf of DU and the DNC appalachiablue May 2019 #60
I grew up among Dixiecrats, basically Southerners not comfortable with anyone different Hoyt May 2019 #48
Many thanks to the influential teachers esp. in the 1960s. appalachiablue May 2019 #50
Third grade, Catholic school, 1960 election... 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #49
Sounds good, great era for America, JFK, Dems. appalachiablue May 2019 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author yortsed snacilbuper May 2019 #51
True Blue! My momma and dad. So grateful for their wisdom. n/t. sprinkleeninow May 2019 #52
Good for you, how wonderful of your parents. appalachiablue May 2019 #57
Very red, but dad was blue. akraven May 2019 #55
Grew up in Fl during 60's. That had a huge impact on me. Still have the same belifs at 69 yrs. Irishxs May 2019 #56
Music Billy Ray Joe Bob. May 2019 #61
I grew up in Columbus, Ohio Stonepounder May 2019 #62
I live in Blue, and I think the person who influenced me the most was Olbermann sakabatou May 2019 #63
Born & raised in red. I think it was movies & the news that influenced me most. Liberal by 10. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #64
Grew up in Napa, CA in 60's marlakay May 2019 #65
My grandfather told me never vote for a Republican Retrograde May 2019 #66
Grew up in the middle of Ohio, mostly blue back then, but red as sinkingfeeling May 2019 #67

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
5. Excellent, how fortunate for you and us. Great city and
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
May 2019

area that I know somewhat. Brother and sister lived and worked there in the 1980s, mother 1940s wartime.

Dem2theMax

(9,650 posts)
2. Born, raised and still living in the same Blue State.
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:54 PM
May 2019

And I swear I was born a Democrat. When it was time for me to register to vote, I didn't have a clue. My mom talked me into registering as a Republican, because that's what she was. My dad was a Democrat.

Even though I was registered as a Republican, I noticed that every time I had a choice, I was always voting for the Democrats. Needless to say, I switched parties.

There wasn't any one specific thing that influenced me to be a Democrat. I have always been a compassionate person, one who looks out for the needs of others before I look out for my own. So I guess I really was born a Democrat.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
7. Naturally you followed you instincts, heart and mind. Compassion
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:06 PM
May 2019

definitely is one of the mainstays, caring for others and trying to build a better world. Democratic values.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
3. This area was deep blue but changed to deep red with the loss of Union jobs in steel and coal.
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:00 PM
May 2019

My parents loved FDR and were staunch Democrats. I had a union job in the steel industry and
knew the Democrats supported us and the Republicans were anti union.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
9. Good for you, those are strong Democratic Party associations,
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:09 PM
May 2019

similar to the area I was raised and the parental views I absorbed.

 

riverine

(516 posts)
4. Red state near a river (thus the name)
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
May 2019

Luckily I went to college where "librul arts" professors were the greatest influence I could ever have.

From Hawthorne (The Scarlet Letter) to Melville to Twain (my hero) to Faulkner to Penn Warren and Walker Percy and Vonnegut the profs in the South taught me how to be a humanist and/or liberal.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
12. You've seen it all That must require adaptability, having broad
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:18 PM
May 2019

perspectives, tolerance, understanding and more.

Liberal In Texas

(13,546 posts)
8. The Viet Nam war.
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:09 PM
May 2019

Became a "liberal from the 60s" marched and if my lottery number hadn't been 341, I would be a Canadian citizen today.

Plus, I believe in progressive things and always have. Equal rights, ecology, peace, etc.

Yes, reading is important. It doesn't matter if you read non-fiction or fiction. Fiction is just as important: Brunner, Silverberg, Updike, Heller, Clarke, Kerr, Hillerman, Roddenberry, Kosinsky, Serling, Asimov (who I met), Dick, Bradbury. I could go on and on.

Thinking made me liberal. Not propaganda.


appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
13. The war was such a critical issue then, glad you made it
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:21 PM
May 2019

through. Agree that reading is so important, and Thinking! as you well know.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
15. I can understand how parenting and concern Re the future,
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:26 PM
May 2019

esp. in these uncertain times would require thinking, compassionate people to be engaged from the left.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
31. Absolutely, for many people here it's day to day, and
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:59 PM
May 2019

a serious struggle for many others. 'Future' in terms of parenting and children's time ahead is what I meant.

mia

(8,360 posts)
14. Not sure if it was red or blue back then
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:21 PM
May 2019

I grew up in Bethesda, MD. and remember my parents and their friends watching the McCarthy hearings on television and the excitement surrounding the election of President Kennedy. Most everyone I knew had parents who worked for the government. We went on school field trips to watch Congress in session in the 50s and 60s. The biggest influence was my father. We enjoyed talking about politics up until his last days in 2015.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
23. Lucky to have such a strong environment- McCarthy hearings,
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:44 PM
May 2019

JFK election, filed trips to Congress and discussions with your father. And Bethesda is a fine area, I love Maryland.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
16. Blue - Rhode Island. Influences - grandparents and parents and their values
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:27 PM
May 2019

Dad in a union, I was in a union (grocery store prior to grad school). 63 years old, influenced by watching effects of Nam war on TV.

Many of my friends, though, told me "as your income rises, you will become more conservative - and turn republican".

How wrong they were!

Part of it is just me. I don't like authority or authoritarians. Don't believe in either following, or wishing to lead. Typical bleeding heart, but for the whole world, including nature. So having Democratic principles, being liberal, is just who I am and have always been.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
18. Strong history and blue associations. Distancing from authoritarianism,
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:35 PM
May 2019

and conservatism expected 'with aging, '- liberalism is natural. In RI, I've seen Newport so far, nice town what I saw.

sprinkleeninow

(20,237 posts)
54. Husband graduated from URI. We enjoyed RI even after got he obtained his degree..
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:56 AM
May 2019

'Almost' considered living in RI.

Wickford. Friends in CT had a home there. Well, I'll be...

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
68. we did the zillow thing - those are some pricey, pricey houses!
Sat May 25, 2019, 09:11 AM
May 2019

Clam Cakes and Chowdah on the waterfront. Can't beat that!

Turin_C3PO

(13,964 posts)
17. Blue, mostly.
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:31 PM
May 2019

My hometown is a mixture of hippies, cowboys, unionized miners, and Hispanics. Very diverse beliefs. I was influenced by my parents who taught me compassion and empathy as well as a sense of history and a love for science. My parents were teachers, technically Republicans but in actual practice they were liberals.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
24. Broad background there, lucky you with those
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:46 PM
May 2019

vital democratic values of labor, diversity, liberal teacher parents , academic study. Democratic.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
19. Red for a long time
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:35 PM
May 2019

but turning blue now, thanks to Katie Porter and others! My maternal family has been in the OC (CA) since 1900. They were farmers and AFAIK, all Repubs. My dad, raised in WA, was a Dem and my mother too. I have several maternal cousins, and they're all R's like their parents. I have to choose my words carefully around them or not talk at all.

I lived through Kennedy, Vietnam, and Watergate, but was pretty walled off from politics due to being too busy with kids, etc. My first ever vote was for Jerry Brown 1974, and then Jimmy Carter in 1976

The 2000 election changed EVERYTHING and here we are!

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
33. Interesting background, Jerry Brown and Katie Porter
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:02 AM
May 2019

are terrific. I saw Carter debate Ford in 1976, such a good American. 2000 election, nightmare/kickoff to 21st cent.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
20. Born and raised in Flint, MI
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:38 PM
May 2019

I wasn't in a shop household, but everyone I knew had stories of the grandfathers, uncles, and neighbors participating in the 1936-37 sitdown strike. One friend had a memory of being a kid being woken up in middle of the night by a loud noise. He looked out the window and there were tanks rolling down his street toward the factory.

I was in junior high Civics class when the Watergate hearings were being shown on TV. I thought that Sam Ervin was the smartest man I had ever seen. Not long after that, college students exercising their freedom of assembly rights peacefully were gunned down by wannabe tough soldiers. I still don't understand how anyone could support the crooked and corrupt rethug party.


To this day, I am strongly pro-union, liberal as hell, and proud of it.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
26. That's all wonderful, good for you Leith. That famous strike was huge,
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:51 PM
May 2019

I remember Sam Ervin, Howard Baker, Lowell Weicher and all the W.Gate figures as well. One time in DC late 1970s I walked right in front of Judge Sirica standing outside a drugstore.

tinrobot

(10,895 posts)
22. Red State and parents LOVED Nixon.
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:42 PM
May 2019

I absorbed all of that as a kid, even read Ayn Rand in high school.

I rejected it in my 20's. Moved to a blue state and have been a Democrat ever since.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
35. Good for you, have travelled through F. a couple times
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:05 AM
May 2019

on the way to Munchen, Freibourg, Austria, Switzerland, Italy. Danke.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
30. It's complicated.
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:57 PM
May 2019

The Mississippi Coast and New Orleans are just not like other places. Extreme liberalism and conservatism are often two sides of the same coin.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
42. That's so interesting, I loved the culture and vibes of New
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:16 AM
May 2019

Orleans. Totally surprised me, just love it.

GReedDiamond

(5,311 posts)
32. MLK/Malcolm X/Civil Rights, YIPPIES/Viet Nam war, "marijuana" legalization...
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:01 AM
May 2019

...and the "counterculture" were all significant in forming my political and overall philosophical/societal/cultural views.

Not to mention that I was anti-nuke power back in the day - still am.

I almost forgot to mention the JFK assassination, that was a factor as well.

The "blue or red" concept wasn't even a thing back then.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
38. Strong history there, so correct that 'red or blue' states
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:09 AM
May 2019

didn't even exist until more recent times. After 10 years, I'm becoming tired of it, and all the other lethal, growing divisions.

GReedDiamond

(5,311 posts)
41. Yeah, I was thinkin about researching when the "red vs blue states" thing...
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:14 AM
May 2019

...materialized but I said to myself - "fuck it."

I'd rather look at this:



So I did.

I just know that the red/blue state thing didn't exist in the media when we had people like Walter Cronkite reading the news.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
34. SE KY, coal country
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:05 AM
May 2019

Early influences can see reversals when the light can't be blocked where the sun doesn't shine.

My grandmother was, what I came to understand in charitable terms, a cunning cynic. She freely admitted her vote was available to the highest bidder. It's long story, oft told.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
40. Hi central A. coal country person. You grandmother sounds
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:12 AM
May 2019

like a character, that area produces plenty of them and it's great. I appreciate colorful people, we have a number in my group.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
43. Sucks, I suspected you
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:18 AM
May 2019

were an influential person. Colorful and Character...not exactly positive attributes for joining any group.

(big grin here)

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
45. Whut, I have no influence, except with my pooches maybe :)
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:25 AM
May 2019

Sometimes families need a few 'steady' types to tone characters when things get wild, makes good sense.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
47. This is wild?
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:31 AM
May 2019

A great sense of humour is best for all characters. Now, I could tell some truly wild stories about living on Trumbull in Detroit.

Liberal In Texas

(13,546 posts)
59. Wife is a Brit, just got her US citizenship.
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:08 AM
May 2019

Voted for the first time in local elections last month.

Actually first time she's ever voted. Never in England either. Anyway, one of the reasons she said she got her US citizenship was to vote against the Orange Man LOL.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
48. I grew up among Dixiecrats, basically Southerners not comfortable with anyone different
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:31 AM
May 2019

but so thankful for Social Security that saved a lot of farmers and older poor people. Most of those Dixiecrats started migrating to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act.

I was pretty much apolitical, but did not subscribe to the racial hatred at the time. I had a professor my first quarter at a conservative college who was a true liberal rebel and set us straight, particularly with respect to racism and Vietnam. Thank goodness for that professor and a few more like him I had along the way.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
50. Many thanks to the influential teachers esp. in the 1960s.
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:42 AM
May 2019

What I've seen of the lower South includes Charleston, Savannah and their beautiful coastal areas, Atlanta briefly, NOLA and Florida. I haven't really spent time inland although there are distant relatives in NC and GA.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,975 posts)
49. Third grade, Catholic school, 1960 election...
Sat May 25, 2019, 12:39 AM
May 2019

My introduction to politics was at that time and that's when I identified as a Democrat even though I was too young to grasp much beyond the fact that JFK was Catholic too, which was a huge deal. The nuns were for JFK, my parents voted for him, so I was for JFK too. At the same time, I was imprinting on the love your neighbor/do good works teachings during religion classes, which complemented my Democratic identity as I grew and learned more about politics.

I'm now religion-free, but still a Democrat!

Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

akraven

(1,975 posts)
55. Very red, but dad was blue.
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:00 AM
May 2019

Try Alaska for weird politics! We gave y'all Don Young and Sarah...………..

 
61. Music
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:19 AM
May 2019

Grew up in the Pacific northwest and played music for many years. Most musicians are pretty accepting people and my parents were pretty much Democrat. I remember when Nixon was elected my father said he could not believe that crook was president. Life has been good to me and I never take it for granted.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
62. I grew up in Columbus, Ohio
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:25 AM
May 2019

Fairly red. I can say with absolute certainty that my parents influenced my views and politics more than anything else in my life.

My father was a clinical psychologist working at the Columbus State Hospital. He taught me to not judge people beforehand, to accept people for who and what they were, and to understand that mental illness was just that, just another sort of illness. My father was also color blind when it came to race. We kids literally never even noticed skin color, any more than as children we actively noticed eye or hair color. I had no idea that my best friend was black until somebody made a snarky comment about it, and even then I didn't believe I actually looked at him again. (It didn't do anything for my friendship with him, but it really did chill the friendship with the kid who made the snarky comment.)

He moved on to become a "pastoral counselor" at a large (and very conservative) church. In reality you could drop the 'pastoral' from his job title. He was a damn good therapist. The church was so large that it had several 'ministers'. My dad only actually preached a couple of times a year.

The church threatened to fire my dad because he signed the Fair Housing Pledge*. He said, go ahead, but be aware that if you do I will preach a final sermon explaining to the congregation why I am leaving. If you won't let me preach, I'll be on the phone to every reporter who will listen to me and tell them why a Christian Minister was fired for being a Christian. He didn't get fired.

My dad was the kind of guy who never met a stranger, so they had friends who were Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, and every color you can imagine. I learned about the horrors of WWII when I asked one of our Jewish friends what the number tattooed on their arm meant.

I could write as much about my mother who nurtured my love of reading, who taught me critical thinking, who never missed a school play, who was my Den Mother when I was in Cub Scouts and on and on.

That's where I got my values.

*For those of you who missed the 50's and 60's, the 'Fair Housing Pledge' said that you would sell your home to any qualified buyer regardless of race, color, or creed. It was a really big deal at the time.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
64. Born & raised in red. I think it was movies & the news that influenced me most. Liberal by 10.
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:40 AM
May 2019

Don't underestimate the impact of movies. I saw movies about the Nazis, the Holocaust, Frank Capra movies, Grapes of Wrath, Gone With the Wind, It's A Wonderful Life, Member of the Wedding, etc. All those movies had a big impact on me. I also saw and heard about the civil rights movement, which was going on at the time (early 60s), which also had a big impact on me. I remember mulling that issue over at the age of about 10.

marlakay

(11,451 posts)
65. Grew up in Napa, CA in 60's
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:54 AM
May 2019

Before tourists came, small town friendly. My parents were Kennedy Democrat’s took me to a campaign drive by in Bay Area for Robert in late 60’s.

Always lived west coast CA, WA, OR. Live in Oregon now in conservative city but close to liberal college town where I hang out more.

Feel lucky to live out west I love it.

My dad influenced me the most we would have long talks when I was a teen about politics. He died in 2000 before Gore election, he wouldn’t have believed all this could happen again. I use to watch the Watergate investigation with him.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
66. My grandfather told me never vote for a Republican
Sat May 25, 2019, 02:08 AM
May 2019

That was back c. 1972 when I was first eligible to vote. I have followed his advice ever since.

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