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Sat May 25, 2019, 09:45 AM

Army denies soldier's request to grow beard in observance of Flying Spaghetti Monster religion

https://www.armytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2019/05/23/army-denies-soldiers-request-to-grow-beard-in-observance-of-flying-spaghetti-monster-religion/

Why are we here? What is our purpose? Why are U.S. service members not allowed to grow beards?

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Where, then, is the line in the sand drawn?

That question was at least partially answered this year when Spc. John Hoskins applied for a beard exemption as part of his strict devotion to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster — a faith also known as “Pastafarianism.”

“This request is based on my deeply and sincerely held belief in the Pastafarian faith,” Hoskins wrote in his request to the Army. “It is my personally held belief that growing a beard will bring me closer to my God and bring me into his favor.”

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Reply Army denies soldier's request to grow beard in observance of Flying Spaghetti Monster religion (Original post)
jpak May 2019 OP
rampartc May 2019 #1
Arazi May 2019 #2
Odoreida May 2019 #4
HAB911 May 2019 #10
obamanut2012 May 2019 #5
rampartc May 2019 #7
hlthe2b May 2019 #3
eppur_se_muova May 2019 #6
Brawndo May 2019 #8
Sneederbunk May 2019 #9
Mc Mike May 2019 #11

Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2019, 09:50 AM

1. section 8 i presume

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Response to rampartc (Reply #1)

Sat May 25, 2019, 09:55 AM

2. And how is this different from believers in Islam and Sikhism?

Who also profess a religious requirement for a beard? Or mandatory clothing on their head (add in strict Jewish believers here too)?

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Response to Arazi (Reply #2)

Sat May 25, 2019, 10:15 AM

4. You *do* know the answer to your own question. n/t

 

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Response to Arazi (Reply #2)

Sat May 25, 2019, 02:44 PM

10. Or Christianity

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Response to rampartc (Reply #1)

Sat May 25, 2019, 10:18 AM

5. Why is your first thought he is mentally ill?

Are followers of other faiths Section 8, too?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #5)

Sat May 25, 2019, 10:48 AM

7. the spagetti monster is as real as any god

many people in the military who are not mentally ill have reasons to appear so. my first thought was that this guy might be one of them

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2019, 09:56 AM

3. It's the military... I had a female friend (commissioned officer) disciplined for wearing

small pearl stud earrings instead of the only acceptable small gold ball earrings. A former African American senior AIDS researcher at CDC, who was a Public Health Service Commissioned Officer, was disciplined for dreadlocks.

Sikhs were once allowed to wear turbans and beards--dating back to WWI... A legal settlement in 2017 allows for some exemptions but regulations are very stringent as to the length of beard and modifying the turban.

So, this is hardly surprising.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2019, 10:47 AM

6. Technically, it's true -- although beards are better at holding on to spaghetti sauce than pasta.

PS: Judging from context, I think he meant to say flavor, not favor.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2019, 11:15 AM

8. Make exceptions for one fairy tale, you've got to make exceptions for all

Or, better yet, don't open that door at all.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2019, 12:46 PM

9. Do we really want this guy in the Army?

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2019, 02:48 PM

11. If he really wants the beard, he's gotta go with norse wodinism.

Otherwise he has to get in touch with Mike Weinstein's MRFF.

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