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Initech

(100,043 posts)
Sun May 26, 2019, 11:54 PM May 2019

This whole damn planet is turning into a colossal right wing category 5 shit storm.

It's not just the US. Trump is just a small part of the equation. Look at what's happening all around the world. Go to England where Brexit is fucking things up and they're trying to vote to continue it. Then look at countries like Brazil, France, Poland, Hungary, Italy where fascism and white supremacy are on the rise and people are preferring fascist dictators to those who prefer democracy and rule of law.

Trump can't say that there's no collusion when collusion is happening all over the world. It's Hitler's master plan on a global scale. And as John Oliver pointed out, nothing good ever happens when you add the phrase "on a global scale" to anything.

But what can be done to stop it? Any time we attempt to talk about something being done they scream and cry that they are being censored because they are conservative.

We need to do something about this. Countries don't know what to do because they have never seen anything like this. The goal is complete and total chaos. And they're succeeding. Unfortunately by the time we stand up to this madness it may be too late to do anything about it.

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This whole damn planet is turning into a colossal right wing category 5 shit storm. (Original Post) Initech May 2019 OP
I used to have a belief that Europeans were Turin_C3PO May 2019 #1
me too and I live in Europe LittleGirl May 2019 #19
You have to be joking DFW May 2019 #22
True. Turin_C3PO May 2019 #27
Lessons learned in the great wars are forgotten as time passes Maeve May 2019 #28
Those who suffered through the wars never forgot. DFW May 2019 #32
I feel the same way... BlueJac May 2019 #26
It's very worrying, isn't it donkeypoofed May 2019 #2
YEP, scary AF. eom LittleGirl May 2019 #20
What can be done to stop it?! I know... let's start with impeachment!! Dolt45 has got to go!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #3
Bernie did well in 2016 because of Hillary, without Hillary he is a man without a cause katmondoo May 2019 #31
Homo sapiens self extinction will solve the problem. democratisphere May 2019 #4
That would be the best thing ever for Planet Earth. roamer65 May 2019 #6
I hope some animals and plants survive... BigmanPigman May 2019 #12
Guess what qazplm135 May 2019 #5
A World War helped stop it for awhile, the problem is the fascists here in the USA rockfordfile May 2019 #7
Plus part of it is that our brains are wired for tribalism. The Mouth May 2019 #37
Bannon, Russia and Cambridge Analytica (whatever they're calling themselves this week) CousinIT May 2019 #8
Right on. SergeStorms May 2019 #11
Bannon is pure evil. BigmanPigman May 2019 #13
I said in another thread that the US right helped flip Brazil. Initech May 2019 #14
Does the name Richard Grenell ring a bell? DFW May 2019 #23
Puking. I Googled and was reminded of who he is. Breitbart has a GUSHING review CurtEastPoint May 2019 #25
As an American who lives in Germany, I can only echo your sentiments. n/t DFW May 2019 #30
The global economy has concentrated its benefits into the hands of a few Yavin4 May 2019 #9
This is it in a nutshell. nt Maven May 2019 #42
Fourth Reich Billy Ray Joe Bob. May 2019 #10
Yes it's on the rise all over the globe, but I still believe there are MORE people who ain't with UniteFightBack May 2019 #15
Migration. moondust May 2019 #16
"We shall overcome", "This incursion will not stand", "I regret that I have but one life to give"... czarjak May 2019 #17
Who generates war? Profiteers. Most of the problems in the world are generated by greed. YOHABLO May 2019 #18
Ahh... the Great Paradox and the Great Filter ... NotHardly May 2019 #21
Bolsonaro in Brazil was a major blow DFW May 2019 #24
I knew Brexit was going to happen when I read about an Englishman The Mouth May 2019 #38
He was right about that, not about leaving DFW May 2019 #39
I remember some British friends The Mouth May 2019 #41
france 24 did an hour long segment on this yesterday. the biggest issue is income inequality. Kurt V. May 2019 #29
So many people would rather hate than thrive The Genealogist May 2019 #33
end result of ever shrinking pie being shared by more each day and the slices becoming smaller so beachbum bob May 2019 #34
Only thing is the pie is growing. Voltaire2 May 2019 #35
People everywhere are scared Generic Brad May 2019 #36
Kick dalton99a May 2019 #40

Turin_C3PO

(13,912 posts)
1. I used to have a belief that Europeans were
Sun May 26, 2019, 11:59 PM
May 2019

more politically sensible than Americans. Now, I’m not so sure...

LittleGirl

(8,280 posts)
19. me too and I live in Europe
Mon May 27, 2019, 02:13 AM
May 2019

I'm really worried about this cancer that is spreading around the world. UGH.

Maeve

(42,271 posts)
28. Lessons learned in the great wars are forgotten as time passes
Mon May 27, 2019, 07:57 AM
May 2019

Looking around the rebuilt cities, it is hard to remember that they were devastated once

DFW

(54,302 posts)
32. Those who suffered through the wars never forgot.
Mon May 27, 2019, 08:27 AM
May 2019

My father-in-law was drafted into the military at age 17, and sent to Stalingrad. The only farm boy in his unit, all the city boys froze to death. As he lay with a leg severed by a blast from a Soviet artillery shell, a retreating unit noticed he was still alive and saved him. Returning to his farm a cripple at age 18, you can imagine that he was a confirmed pacifist for the rest of his life. So were his children. But the one surviving child of his (my wife) is now 67, and our children have never seen war. My younger daughter spent some time with the UN War Crimes Tribunal in Sierra Leone, and knows as well what supposedly normal people can become if involved in a war.

Europe in the post-war (and even that means different things to different people) era is composed of people who have very open minds and very closed minds. To people who live in Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia, "post war" means post 1999. The organized crime gangs from there, many of whom operate here in the west, bring the war-hardened brutality with them. So do many recent veterans of fighting in Syria now living here. This continent remains anything but homogeneous.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
2. It's very worrying, isn't it
Sun May 26, 2019, 11:59 PM
May 2019

Dont forget that bitch Marine LePen winning either.

I know it feels like we are all being flushed down the toilet - but we have to remember there are more good people here than bad !! We can fix this but we have to do it together.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
3. What can be done to stop it?! I know... let's start with impeachment!! Dolt45 has got to go!!
Mon May 27, 2019, 12:02 AM
May 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
31. Bernie did well in 2016 because of Hillary, without Hillary he is a man without a cause
Mon May 27, 2019, 08:11 AM
May 2019

He has to fight a crowd now

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
6. That would be the best thing ever for Planet Earth.
Mon May 27, 2019, 12:45 AM
May 2019

Humans are like a virus. They are killing the host.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
5. Guess what
Mon May 27, 2019, 12:22 AM
May 2019

The fight isn't over after one or two wins OR losses. This is a generations and centuries long fight. So buck up and get back to work.

The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
37. Plus part of it is that our brains are wired for tribalism.
Mon May 27, 2019, 11:27 AM
May 2019

This whole UN and international perspective, cultural diversity stuff falls by the wayside pretty quickly when someone makes us afraid of 'the other'.

CousinIT

(9,225 posts)
8. Bannon, Russia and Cambridge Analytica (whatever they're calling themselves this week)
Mon May 27, 2019, 12:59 AM
May 2019

are behind this New Fascist World Order.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
11. Right on.
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:30 AM
May 2019

With Russia being the key player. Putin can't believe how unbelievably easy it was to install a puppet fascist in the United States. The media helped get Trump elected (along with Comey and "social media&quot as well, so they can get rid of this monster before they're jailed and executed by Trump's fascist regime.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
14. I said in another thread that the US right helped flip Brazil.
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:33 AM
May 2019

And now they're stirring up shit in France. What is going on?

CurtEastPoint

(18,622 posts)
25. Puking. I Googled and was reminded of who he is. Breitbart has a GUSHING review
Mon May 27, 2019, 07:30 AM
May 2019

of him. It especially sickens me that he is a gay man, like myself, who is helping ruin the world. Fuck him and his ilk.

Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
9. The global economy has concentrated its benefits into the hands of a few
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:02 AM
May 2019

Couple that with massive demographic change and you fuel nostalgic, nationalistic movements.

 
10. Fourth Reich
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:19 AM
May 2019

In WW2 we stamped down facism but did not extinguish it. It's coming back and with the problems of overpopulation and the crisis of people fleeing war in the middle East and Africa Europe has had a resurgence in racism and religious intolerance. I don't think it will get better anytime soon. And now in America Trump has turned up the hate of the other. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
15. Yes it's on the rise all over the globe, but I still believe there are MORE people who ain't with
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:35 AM
May 2019

this shit and we will not be silent.

But yes I am concerned.

moondust

(19,963 posts)
16. Migration.
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:43 AM
May 2019

My theory is that mainly the spread of the Internet has allowed far more people in the Third World to discover what life is like in the First World. Many are deciding to attempt the shortcut to a better future. Realistically, Europe isn't that big and simply won't hold half of Africa and the Middle East; they have to draw the line somewhere. Italy backs Salvini and Hungary backs Orban because they're the ones drawing a hard line against taking in more migrants. Workers in Europe, U.K., and the U.S. don't want the competition for jobs depressing wages, and still a lot of white supremacist bigots in all three. Selfish far right parties including Dumpublicans are capitalizing big time on the migrant issue and bigotry and that could continue for some time.

czarjak

(11,254 posts)
17. "We shall overcome", "This incursion will not stand", "I regret that I have but one life to give"...
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:58 AM
May 2019

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
21. Ahh... the Great Paradox and the Great Filter ...
Mon May 27, 2019, 02:35 AM
May 2019
https://authorrickfuller.com/2017/09/10/the-fermi-paradox-and-the-great-filter-theory-part-one/

Here's a fun read somewhat in line with your concerns. It won't alleviate those concerns but it might explain our odd situation here at the start of the 21st Century.

Sort Answer: ... civilizations such as the one we are currently experiencing on a "global scale" of advanced technology in the hands of a population of sentient beings (but not terribly wise beings) eliminate themselves in a slow or fast cataclysmic event of stupendous proportions (climate change perpetrated by all the crap we've put in the air; the elimination of floral and fauna we need for existence combined with overpopulation; mass exodus from disaster-prone areas into fearful alarmed other regions; war, particularly nuclear war; or perhaps just a stray comet.)

So, the stupid we are watching now may simply be us moving into the great filter, or should I call it 'filtration system'?

DFW

(54,302 posts)
24. Bolsonaro in Brazil was a major blow
Mon May 27, 2019, 04:01 AM
May 2019

Since he now controls a major portion of "Earth's lung," the Amazon forest, and is fully in favor of cutting it down and selling the wood, he has to be counted among the most dangerous people in the world.

The left is not universally blameless in the rise of the extremist right. The European left and the Latin American left, especially, have been plagued by corruption, complacency and an addiction to bureaucracy that have disgusted enough of their former followers to turn to the extremist right in desperation. There is a reason the German Social Democrats went from holding the Chancellor's seat in 1998 to a humiliating 15% in the European Parliamentary elections that closed yesterday.

The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
38. I knew Brexit was going to happen when I read about an Englishman
Mon May 27, 2019, 11:30 AM
May 2019

complaining that Brussels was prohibitin certain types of teapots.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
39. He was right about that, not about leaving
Mon May 27, 2019, 12:44 PM
May 2019

Yes, the EU is a bloated, corrupt bureaucratic nightmare, but it needs to be fixed, not abandoned.

When the Danes joined, the EU told them their apples were too small to be called apples. They told they EU, if THIS is what you're all about, we are not interested after all. The EU stopped the foolishness, and the Danes remained.

The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
41. I remember some British friends
Mon May 27, 2019, 08:10 PM
May 2019

being fascinated by the American Civil War; I mentioned that to really understand America, you had to think of the EU, several generations later; that's how the states thought of themselves. As formerly sovereign entities. Not that I'm defending either Confederates or modern Neo-Nationalists

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
29. france 24 did an hour long segment on this yesterday. the biggest issue is income inequality.
Mon May 27, 2019, 08:01 AM
May 2019

as the middle class shrinks, populous ideas take hold and authoritarian figures seem reasonable.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
33. So many people would rather hate than thrive
Mon May 27, 2019, 08:32 AM
May 2019

Is that not what we are seeing with the return of the extreme right? We have powerful people who cant get enough power, manipulating people's hate and fear to gain more power. The people they dupe get nothing. There are plenty of political parties in the world that would make their lives better, but too many people would rather hate than thrive.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
34. end result of ever shrinking pie being shared by more each day and the slices becoming smaller so
Mon May 27, 2019, 09:01 AM
May 2019

the discontent is being manipulated

Voltaire2

(12,965 posts)
35. Only thing is the pie is growing.
Mon May 27, 2019, 09:10 AM
May 2019

The problem is that the elites at the top aren’t sharing and are promoting fascist populism to have us at each other’s throats instead of taking away their toys.

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
36. People everywhere are scared
Mon May 27, 2019, 09:42 AM
May 2019

Technology is advancing so rapidly that people feel like they can't keep up. Values and ideas are evolving rapidly and a large segment of the world is clinging to a mythical past where they take comfort in pretending they have a semblance of control. The planet is changing and our very existence is threatened and that is too horrible of a reality to contemplate.

People who are fearful would rather follow a self assured strong man idiot echoing their beliefs rather than listen to experts who advise them about things that conflict with their belief system.

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