Democrats Win Big as Trump is Battered in Court

[Vidal]

Good analysis of Trump's court losses from The Hill:

President Trump took a beating in federal court last week, losing a pair of lawsuits aimed at hindering House Democrats' investigations into him and his administration. The decisions indicated that Trump will ultimately lose the fights: Both judges in the subpoena cases issued their rulings swiftly and decisively, underscoring the weakness of Trump's legal arguments.

The lawsuits were likely intended as Trump's attempt to delay Congress from being able to obtain the documents, taking advantage of the slow pace of the court system while keeping an eye on getting the cases up to the Supreme Court. But the court victories are providing Democrats with momentum as they accelerate their Trump investigations -- and providing fodder for party leaders to argue impeachment proceedings aren’t necessary as they make legal headways.

House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), whose subpoena for Trump’s financial records from the accounting firm Mazars was upheld in D.C. court, said that the judge had found Democrats’ arguments “a slam dunk.”

“I think the courts will look at this and say, ‘wait a minute...there is a role for the Congress, and their role is clear,’” Cummings told reporters this week.

Read More: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445498-democrats-claim-victory-as-trump-gets-battered-in-court

[democratisphere]

1. Democrats are coming to take him away.

Let's see how the twisted rethuglicons attempt to change the actual facts now.

[Funtatlaguy]

5. Take him away.....sing it loud.....

[PatrickforO]

12. Oh, for goodness sake! I haven't heard that one in many, many years.

A blast from the past.

[lark]

2. I disagree with part of this.

"The decisions indicated that Trump will ultimately lose the fights: Both judges in the subpoena cases issued their rulings swiftly and decisively, underscoring the weakness of Trump's legal arguments. "

SCOTUS is s paid and bribed arm of the Russian Repug party, Roberts going on an hour and a half PRIVATE plane ride with drumpf recently is all the proof we need that the fix is in, prior to the treachery actually playing out. It would take an absolute miracle for drumpf not to win at SCOTUS and the constitution will be invalidated so he can spend money however he wants, whenever he wants, regardless of the wishes of Congress or the American people, break any law and not be held accountable and use any willing foreign country to steal all elections.

Edit - I guess it's possible Roberts didn't cave for drumpfs pushing and pulling, doesn't believe he or his family will be killed, has nothing to hide, and doesn't need the huge bribe offered? Maybe one of the 5 usual traitors will actually see drumpfs lawlessness as a problem for the constitution and the USA and break with the crew? Those are the thin threads this country is hanging by at this moment.

[sharedvalues]

4. 2 SCOTUS justices are illegitimate

Any 5-4 or 6-3 decision is, very simply: invalid. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were nominated by an illegitimate president and confirmed by an illegitimate GOP Senate majority.

[Greybnk48]

10. Exactly! And they both should be removed from the bench.

And following impeachment protocol seems wrong here too since they never should have even come up for confirmation by people who cheated to win.

[not fooled]

13. yep

chimpy's too

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

3. The comments section of the article is great

Righties crapping themselves big time.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

6. I disagree with the framing of these headlines.

Shouldn't it say: "Democracy Wins Big as Trump is Battered in Court"?,

or perhaps The Hill's headline should be: "Congress claims victory as Trump gets battered in court"?

Just sayin', this is not all about Democrats - it's about all Americans and supporting our Constitution.....

[Honeycombe8]

7. And what will Congress do if the administration refuses to obey the court orders?

The administration has shown it doesn't recognize the law or Congress's subpoena power. So a couple of courts have ordered the administration to comply with the subpoenas. Does that mean Trump's team will do so? Or will it ignore those subpoenas, anyway? If it does, who is going to do something about it? And what could they do?

[Oppaloopa]

8. I am waiting the answer to your questions.

[Pantagruel]

11. What could they do?

The House could cut off funding effectively shutting down the Trump Gov't.-messy solution but powerful .

[Honeycombe8]

14. I don't think that's an option.

As we've seen, that just hurts the ordinary people. And sooner or later, funding will have to be restored.

Normally, people who disregard subpoenas are arrested. But who in the administration is responsible for failing to obey the subpoenas? And who would Congress dare arrest? A President can't be arrested.

The Court could hold the administration in contempt. So what?

I don't doubt that the White House is mulling these things over.

[Vidal]

15. The courts

have authority to arrest people who fail to follow court orders, or those found guilty of crimes.

[Honeycombe8]

16. If a President can't be indicted, he can't be arrested. So who?

His lawyers? The AG?

It's pathetic that these things have to be considered, since disobeying a court order is something this administration WOULD do.

[Pantagruel]

22. Of course it "hurts the ordinary people"

so does ignoring the rule of law. Sixty three million ignorant American voters and the GOP have created this nightmare.
It won't end well most likely. Step one, stop funding all military projects .

[Honeycombe8]

23. No...it doesn't take people's houses away and food out of their mouths as a direct result.

Shutting the govt down does that. And it doesn't cost everyone. Just federal workers. That sounds a little too much like Trump's position on expecting the farmers to sacrifice for his trade war, for my comfort. It won't be a sacrifice for the politicians or most Americans.

The Democratic leaders aren't going to do that, I'm sure.

[Vidal]

24. Let's be very clear about this -- the courts

have a great deal of power to throw people in jail and impose fines.

Forget Trump, but consider everybody else who has or will receive a subpoena which is ignored.

A judge can throw all of these people in jail for contempt.

[zentrum]

9. T will appeal it

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...until it reaches the Kavanuagh Court which will reverse the lower court.

[Honeycombe8]

17. The first court decision didn't halt the obeyance to the subpoena, while T appeals.

I'm not sure about the second decision.

Trump has appealed the first court decision to the DC appellate court. If he loses, T will appeal to the S.Ct.

In the meantime, the records for the first subpoena (the Mavers accounting firm records) would have to be produced. Unfortunately, and for reasons I don't know, the House has agreed to delay the document production until the Appellate Court makes its decision in mid-July. ??? WHY did the House agree to delay the production? I don't understand that.

[Vidal]

20. Dem strategy

I think they got a deal where the appeal would be facilitated and the whole process would be over faster this way. I think we are trying to avoid Trump dragging things out too long (e.g., past the 2020 elections).

[Honeycombe8]

21. I see. Thanks. But ...

It seems to me that the appeal would go faster if the records were produced. The appellate court would, I think, want to move it up as much as possible, before the House could review all the records. You can't un-read something you've read. But maybe even if they had the knowledge of the records, they wouldn't have been able to use them, until the appellate court reached its decision.

But I'm sure there's a reason, and that's as good a reason as any.

[Skittles]

18. AMERICA wins

[Scurrilous]

19. K&R

[Cha]

25. Kick