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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:28 AM May 2019

What do you think of censuring trump in lieu of impeaching?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/barring-impeachment-democrats-could-still-censure-trump.html

There is one alternative approach that is quicker and simpler than impeachment, and doesn’t necessarily require any cooperation from the Senate. Washington Post columnist Karen Tumulty endorsed it in the wake of the Mueller release, while noting its shortcomings:

There is another option: Either house, could, with a majority vote, formally censure Trump, something that has not happened to any chief executive since the Senate censured Andrew Jackson in 1834. (trump would Hate!)

While this would be dismissed in some quarters as merely a symbolic act, it would be a historic rebuke of the Trump presidency — and would, properly, leave it to the voters to decide whether they have had enough of it.

Unlike impeachment, a presidential censure has no specific constitutional authorization. Censure has been more customarily meted out by Congress to its own members (most famously Joe McCarthy in 1954) as a disciplinary measure short of the constitutionally sanctioned remedy of expulsion. As Tumulty noted, the Senate (controlled by the opposition Whigs) censured Jackson during a dispute over the Bank of the United States, but Democrats had the measure expunged from the record when they regained control of the chamber. Censure resolutions have been introduced but not enacted during multiple presidencies. Indeed, Trump’s behavior has already inspired the introduction of two House resolutions (one for his comments after the white-nationalist riot in Charlottesville, and another after his racist reference to Haiti and African nations as “shithole countries”).


The most relevant recent precedent, however, is almost certainly the effort by Democrats (encouraged by the White House) to censure Bill Clinton instead of impeaching him; Republicans defeated measures in both chambers (one in the House Judiciary Committee and the other on the Senate floor) to substitute censure for action on impeachment. In the hypothetical scenario Tumulty lays out, the shoe would be on the other foot with Democrats proposing to censure Trump, with or without any Republican cooperation.

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What do you think of censuring trump in lieu of impeaching? (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 OP
why not both? rampartc May 2019 #1
Like that! Like that a lot. The censure could at least be pushed through ASAP. Timing as close Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #5
My first thought as well. MrsCoffee May 2019 #18
Oooh, a note to his permanent record Bettie May 2019 #2
Weak tea. shanny May 2019 #3
Kinda like dry powder. Very meh NRaleighLiberal May 2019 #4
Yet it does have some similar benefits. Puts us on record as abhorring his behavior, Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #8
Worst idea ever since trump was elected. shraby May 2019 #6
Like someone said above..do both Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #9
COP OUT. Chin music May 2019 #7
Both..? Censure now then keep moving toward impeaching? Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #11
Seems like we can barely get the fire lit for an impeachment. Just our luck the gop would Chin music May 2019 #12
Let Congress impeach and let the voters convict. Cetacea May 2019 #10
exactly what I see too, let McConnel/Senate GOP defend trump or not even hold a trial, beachbum bob May 2019 #14
Put it on the ballot as to whether a president can be indicted. Chin music May 2019 #13
Did he lie about getting a blow job? Tommy_Carcetti May 2019 #15
Worthless tactic in defense of the Constitution Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #16
Agree. But nothing is the most cowardly imho. Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #19
WEAK WEAK WEAK GeorgeGist May 2019 #17
No, an honest attempt at removal is what's needed uponit7771 May 2019 #20
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. Like that! Like that a lot. The censure could at least be pushed through ASAP. Timing as close
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:35 AM
May 2019

Mueller report critical because he is considered nonpartisan. Of course trump still trashing him as biased. He’s placing that chess piece out there strong.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
8. Yet it does have some similar benefits. Puts us on record as abhorring his behavior,
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:45 AM
May 2019

Makes repukes have to take a stand. If they vote no, good campaign fodder...”you mean you approve of trump’s illegal actions?” Appeases staunch impeachment supporters like me a tiny bit, plus trump will go ballistic being in the history books as the only other prez to be censured except for Jackson! If we play it up big time it could be all over news.

Keep on investigating and we will have more and if it happens in time we can impeach.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
12. Seems like we can barely get the fire lit for an impeachment. Just our luck the gop would
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:50 AM
May 2019

take the wind out of the sails of impeachment, doing censuring. IMPEACH THIS SECRET SELLING TRAITOR.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
14. exactly what I see too, let McConnel/Senate GOP defend trump or not even hold a trial,
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:54 AM
May 2019

the voters in Nov 2020 will render judgement and we do outnumber conservatives

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,153 posts)
15. Did he lie about getting a blow job?
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:54 AM
May 2019

Because I would support censuring that.

But only that.

Anything else it would be comically underwhelming and not nearly enough.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,548 posts)
16. Worthless tactic in defense of the Constitution
Fri May 31, 2019, 09:50 AM
May 2019

Congress must use every weapon at its disposal, not half measures.

A malignant narcissist wouldn't be phased by a censure motion in the least.

Censure is the Coward's way out.

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