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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor those who haven't yet looked up what Barr's "[T]he" was omitting
Kind of says it all...
Barrs letter...
[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
The Mueller report... (text omitted by Barr in bold)
"The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
dchill
(38,474 posts)That's all.
donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)History is going to remember him as an asshole. Congratulations, Mr Barr.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)burrowowl
(17,639 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)quoted from Barr's 3/24/2019 four page summary.
From page two, immediately after sentence -- "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
"The Special Counsel's investigation determined that there were two main Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election. The first involved attempts by a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), to conduct disinformation and social media operations in the United States designed to sow social discord, eventually with the aim of interfering with the election. As noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that any U.S. person or Trump campaign official or associate conspired or knowingly coordinated with the IRA in its efforts, although the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian nationals and entities in connection with these activities.
"The second element involved the Russian government's efforts to conduct computer hacking operations designed to gather and disseminate information to influence the election. The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons affiliated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks. Based on these activities, the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian military officers for conspiring to hack into computers in the United States for purposes of influencing the election. But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.html
I think Barr very plainly indicates the Ruskies interfered in the election. Heck, it would be hard to deny.
While I wish Barr had said what Mueller should have in his 3/24/2019 summary -- "The President should be Impeached" -- I see no reason for us to be like GOPers mis-representing/-interpreting things that are pretty easy to verify.
elias7
(3,997 posts)Your text shows that Russia hacked Dems and did disinfo on social media. Big deal. We've known this for two years.
My text shows a literal lifting of part of a sentence from its conjoiner, in which Mueller pretty much says Trump knew what was going on and tacitly expected it. Barr cut that quote out.
Focus.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Barr made it clear Mueller found the Ruskies helped trump. You left that part out, maybe not on purpose.
We can get trump, without having be to resort to acting like GOPers.
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)Well there IS that little entreaty to the Russians, but that was only a joke, right? Apparently that's not enough to consider evidence against the orange asshole. I guess they needed something in writing.
"I love Wikileaks, I love Wikileaks!" One more for good measure. Our preznit does have a way with words, doesn't he.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I am not saying trump is innocent, far from it, but Muellers wishy-washy report is a big reason trump will likely walk.
Mueller should have said, at a minimum, that there was a lot of fishy looking stuff like what you just posted that sure makes trump and close campaign aides suspect.
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)when the eventual Democratic nominee and the orange asshole go head to head. There's been so much harmful crap vomited out of Trump's pie-hole the past 2 years it would be impossible not to send independents running from the jerkoff. Trump can't win with just his lunatic base.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Its likely the quickest way to depose him.
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)I don't believe Trump stands a snowball's chance in hell of being re-elected. The republiCAN'T party comprises 25% of the population, and Trump is favored by 90% of them. There will be almost no independents voting for him as in 2016, fewer republiCAN'Ts, and absolutely zero Democrats. I believe Russia will be kept at bay this time, or their venom will be kept to a minimum, so I see Trump's chances as slim to none. Barring any calamitous circumstances. We all know Trump is a one-man calamity waiting to happen, so who the hell knows? We need every Democrat and Independent to vote for our eventual nominee. I believe if we do that Trump will lose.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)trade is the root of our problems, at l least economic problems.
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)This is the best economy in the history of the world! Just ask Donnie.
elias7
(3,997 posts)Im referring to a truncated quote lifted by Barr from Muellers report and I, for one, was curious what was cut out.
It was widely known that Russia helped- no news there- but Mueller said Trump knew and welcomed the help, while Barr omitted that small fact.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)find any direct evidence trump, etc., conspired with Russians. I was rather surprised Barr laid it out like that, but it's pretty clear.
When you summarize 400+ pages in 4 pages, it's hard to include every comment. The fact that the redacted report was released a few weeks later -- with all those comments in it -- indicates Barr didn't hide it (not because he didn't want to, but because he knew he couldn't get away with it).
Personally, I believe trump is guilty -- at a minimum -- of doing nothing to stop Russian interference or, at least, making sure voters knew that crud was going on.
Heck, I think he should have been removed from office long ago for encouraging racism and bigotry.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)I'm not for impeaching the Orange Abomination until we have more information about ALL his crimes, not just conspiracy with the Russians and obstruction, but I think it would be grand theater to impeach Barr. It would get news coverage and would make Barr sweat publicly.
sop
(10,165 posts)Apart from his many other sleazy and possibly illegal dealings, Trump's financial records may reveal the real motives behind Russian interference.
Ramsey Barner
(349 posts)Let's not lose sight of the bigger picture: before we got to see Barr's letter or the Mueller Report, nobody was accusing Trump or his campaign of conspiring with the GRU or IRA. We all thought he was colluding with the Russians, meaning aiding and abetting (or being bribed by) various Russian state-connected and non-state actors.
Seth Abramson and others have pointed out that Mueller's team did not investigate aiding and abetting, bribery, or other collusion charges, and did not investigate Russian actors other than the two state agencies.
There's a whole lot more than obstruction to investigate, if Congress ever gets around to it!