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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPence and Putin have just abruptly cancelled events
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/Mike-Pence-Talks-Opioid-Addiction-Drug-Flow-in-New-Hampshire-512106221.html
Mike Pence Called Back to White House, NH Visit Canceled
A spokesperson for the vice president originally said Air Force 2 was turned around due to an "emergency," but the organizers of the event are now characterizing it as a "diversion"
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Putin cancelled his schedule, but that could be due to the submarine accident.
Afromania
(2,768 posts)lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)Skraxx
(2,970 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,286 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Not a scratch on them, these babies are showroom fresh!
global1
(25,237 posts)The House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal is filing a lawsuit in federal court today seeking to compel the IRS to turn over Trump's tax returns, according to a person familiar with the matter. And you know how much Trump is trying to prevent his tax returns from becoming public.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But is this it or was he planning to insult some rockstar instead?
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)And saying this was not a health related diversion.
Which probably means it's health related, this White House says the opposite of what is true 95% of the time.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,399 posts)because if something ever happens (for real) that we the people REALLY need to know about, we'd be so screwed because we wouldn't know for sure (or without further verification) whether or not what we're being told by Trump, et. al was actually real and not a diversion or a distraction or hoax.
triron
(21,988 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)wryter2000
(46,025 posts)They're going to announce Putin is taking over with Trump as VP.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,359 posts)Any info on location of Air Force 2? Seems WH is denying it took off while reports are that it was on the way to NH and turned around to bring pence back?
Link to tweet
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)I can't find that anywhere.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)In all probability, Putin's schedule change is independently due to this:
https://news.usni.org/2019/07/02/14-sailors-die-on-secretive-russian-nuclear-submarine
A fire that broke out on a secret Russian submarine has killed 14 sailors, according to a statement from the Ministry of Defense in Moscow.
On July 1, 14 submariners sailors died in Russian territorial waters as a result of inhaling combustion products aboard a research submersible vehicle designated for studying the seafloor and the bottom of the World Ocean in the interests of the Russian Navy after a fire broke out during bathymetric measurements, read a translation of the statement from the state-controlled Tass news service.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-submersible-incident-putin-idUSKCN1TX272
Putin to meet Russian defense minister after death of sailors: RIA
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)I think this "emergency" is not anything significant, really.
I mean like Trump having a stroke or something, you know.
Delmette2.0
(4,163 posts)IF 45 collapsed and the WH staff are aware or suspect some other medical problem, they could have called Pence back to be on the safe side. We may never know what happened.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)technically being Trump's successor, what ELSE does Pence do and what could possibly be so urgent that they would need his brilliant mastermind to be called back to Washington at once?
GusBob
(7,286 posts)There was a submarine accident, a big one I cant remember it all, but sailors got trapped and died when they may have been rescued. Putin turned down international help and went to his dacha while his admirals tried to cover it up.
Putin caught a lot of flack for how he handled that incident
True Dough
(17,294 posts)What a horrible way to go.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,399 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Probably just a coincidence.
The nuclear powered sub had a nuclear accident. Or, they were trying to tap a transatlantic cable, ended up destroying it and killrd 14 crew members in the process. Did you notice a large portion of the internet go down today?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)1. The issue with Cloudflare - which provides a huge swath of the internet with DNS and DDOS protection - was with their servers.
2. The sub went down in Russian waters in the Barents Sea. Anyone with the barest inkling of geography knows there are no transatlantic cables there. What the fuck would an international cable be doing in a body of water that is nearly completely bounded by Russia in the first place? Where does this cable go, in your fevered imagination?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9421808/vladimir-putin-defence-mike-pence-air-force-washington/
VLADIMIR Putin has pulled out of an event in Moscow as US Vice President Mike Pence's plane has been recalled to Washington over an "undisclosed emergency".
The Russian leader is thought to have cancelled his schedule for the rest of the day and is urgently meeting with his defence minster Sergei Shoigu.
Mr Pence was due in New Hampshire today but his jet turned back and he is said to be at the White House.
It is not clear if the two are linked.
The White House and the Kremlin would not say the reason for the change of plans.
There is some speculation that Putin, 66, could be discussing the fire on board a Russian submarine earlier today which left 14 dead after they were poisoned by fumes.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Nothing to see here, folks. Move along...
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)nolabear
(41,956 posts)WTF kind of information is that? Where's the "The White House stated that the President and Vice President are fine, there is no cause for concern, and further details on the diversion will be forthcoming" statement? You know, something that sounds like they gaf.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Vinca
(50,248 posts)It did occur to me that there is the slightest possibility New York state is about to arrest the whole lot of them. Keep hope alive.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)As the elected AG of NY, I have a sworn duty to protect & uphold state law. My office will follow the facts of any case, wherever they lead.
Make no mistake: No one is above the law, not even the President.
P.S. My name is Letitia James. (You can call me Tish.)
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)special parade on Independence Day.
Takket
(21,549 posts)I cant imagine the Russian fire causing the VP to do anything different.
Pence could be diverted for dozens of reasons.
Credible threat to plane
Threat at event in N.H.
national security issue
Drumpf is incapacitated (we should be so lucky)
He heard there may be women in N.H.
etc
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)To hell with the constitution.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)https://www.wmur.com/article/pease-air-national-guard-base-on-lockdown-after-shots-heard/28263184
PEASE AIR NATIONAL GUARD BASE
Pease Air National Guard Base was placed on lockdown for about an hour Tuesday after the sound of gunshots was reported, but an all-clear was issued after nothing was found in a search of the facility.
The incident was initially treated as an active shooter scenario, but National Guard officials said there was no evidence found of shots being fired.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)LonePirate
(13,412 posts)Otherwise it is anyones guess what is going on because these people lie as frequently as they breathe.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)ScratchCat
(1,977 posts)Thats one rumor
AJT
(5,240 posts)like bombs and gunfire? War with Iran?
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)..........
Hekate
(90,616 posts)That question haunts me
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You know, the Russians paid Manafort for advancing their political interests in the Ukraine. It's not as if Manafort was an idiot at that sort of thing.
Pence locked up the Christians - which gets you 30 to 35% of the vote. From 35%, you only need another 15%.
Evangelicals are 26% of the population, and have crazy high turnout relative to other groups, giving them an oversized chunk of the vote. 80% went for Trump/Pence.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)Hekate
(90,616 posts)Trump was on the cusp of choosing Chris Christie as a running mate. His plane had touched down in Pence's home state. Manafort arranged with the pilot for the plane to "need repairs" that necessitated an overnight stay. Manafort introduced Trump to Pence, and arranged the "marriage."
The unanswered question is: why?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Russian psy-ops will only get you so far, they still had to have some plan to attract votes, and Pence was a better pick for what they needed electorally.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)if Trump isn't feeling well, I suggest 3 Big Macs, a bucket of KFC, and a bucket of Diet Coke.
Maybe Trump was eating too healthy being out of town?
leftieNanner
(15,074 posts)In Asia. And no tartar sauce in sight.
Upset his lil tumtum.
kairos12
(12,849 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)has anything to do with this. It happened more than 24 hours ago, and if Putin was going to change his plans in connection with that it would have happened yesterday.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)We should know that something is going on. We are Russia now, that is how they do it in Russia.