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Turbineguy

(37,286 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 09:36 PM Jul 2019

My Father was a POW during WWII

He took pictures. The conditions in, at least his Nazi camp, were better than in Trump's camps.

He was in Stanislau, Poland (now Ukraine) from 1942 to 1945. He was liberated by the Soviets.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamp_Stanislau#/media/Bestand:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D2%91%E2%80%94371.jpg

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My Father was 2nd from the left, standing. Yes. They actually had cigarettes!

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Leghorn21

(13,522 posts)
2. All best wishes to your father, guy, wherever he may be. I'm so glad he survived and made it
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 09:50 PM
Jul 2019

HOME.

I did a little reading on the POW (German and Italian soldiers) camps in America during WWII, and couldn’t help but compare them to today’s Trump/Miller camps:

Over 13,000 prisoners made Camp Florence (AZ) their home between its opening in the summer of 1943 and December 1945. The 500 acre complex featured barracks, a hospital, a bakery, a swimming pool, ball fields, and several theaters, all surrounded by the usual concertina wire and watch towers. All of the prisoners were from either Germany or Italy, many of whom had been captured during the North African Campaign. The Italians were solely enlisted men; officers were held at camps in other parts of the country. Apart from athletics, to occupy their time and earn money the prisoners could acquire a pass to work in the vegetable fields in the area. Also, those who renounced Italy's fascist government were organized into service units and shipped to military facilities throughout the United States, including Fort Lawton in Seattle, Washington.[10][11][12]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_during_World_War_II

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. My landlord in Germany told me many times about how beautiful the US was...
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 10:06 PM
Jul 2019

during his time here. How the Rockies reminded him of the Alps.

Turns out he was a POW during WWII. Being Germans in the middle of nowhere and figuring they wouldn't get too far, security was light.

If we had treated those POWs like we treat Central American kids, we should have had a place in the dock at Nuremberg.

The conditions in those camps remind of Andersonville, where the commander was hanged for war crimes.

applegrove

(118,484 posts)
4. Sorry for your father. If you were white and a soldier you did not get sent to a death
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 11:18 PM
Jul 2019

camp.It would be horrid no doubt. I think the word concentration camp comes from the british incarcerating Boars during the Boar war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps

Nazis had camps for journalists and political prisoners before WWII where they were fed and not murdered. These were called 'concentration camps' too. I think that is the point of AOC's comments... that it was a slippery slope to gassing people. And at each stage they were called concentration camps.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
5. Close, but actually began w/Cuban reconcentrados.
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 11:55 PM
Jul 2019
Although the first example of civilian internment may date as far back as the 1830s,[8] the English term concentration camp was first used in order to refer to the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) set up by the Spanish military in Cuba during the Ten Years' War (1868–78).[9] The similar camps were set up by the United States during the Philippine–American War (1899–1902).[10] The term saw wider use around the Second Boer War (1899–1902), when the British operated such camps in South Africa for interning Boers,[9][11] during the Mau Mau Uprising (1952–1960) in Kenya against the British Empire,[12][13] and during the military dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet (1973–1990) in Chile.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment

TrogL

(32,818 posts)
7. You people are scaring me
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jul 2019

I was born in 1955 which puts me half a generation away from WW II. I grew up on stories of war, pogroms and concentration camps. I thought I had put all that behind me, but here we are.

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