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bigbrother05

(5,995 posts) Wed Jul 3, 2019, 09:50 AM Jul 2019

How many would support handing them over the the Hague?

Understand that most are protective of the ability of our Justice system to handle things, but we didn't make Reagan/Bush accountable for Iran/Contra or W/Cheney for Iraq/Abu Graib. Can't help wondering where we would be now if we had exacted Justice in the past.

We all prefer to look ahead to better days, but unless you treat the underlying cancer on our body politic (looking at you GOP), America will continue the cycle of the Dems cleaning up the GOP's mess, rinse/lather/repeat.

One step forward then three steps back is always a losing proposition.

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How many would support handing them over the the Hague? (Original Post) bigbrother05 Jul 2019 OP

Historically, only the losers get tried for war or international human rights crimes... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #1

I bring this up because of McTurtle's court packing bigbrother05 Jul 2019 #2

That's one cop. Others have been freed and others have been convicted... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #4

I would. dewsgirl Jul 2019 #3

Obviously, Steven Miller is a shoo-in. tRump too, I hope. nt eppur_se_muova Jul 2019 #5

So far Trump has been more bluster compared to GWB et al as far as war crimes. PufPuf23 Jul 2019 #6

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)

1. Historically, only the losers get tried for war or international human rights crimes...

Reply to bigbrother05 (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 09:57 AM

Jul 2019

And it's got to be a big loss-- not just pulling out of Viet Nam or Afghanistan.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)

2. I bring this up because of McTurtle's court packing

Reply to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:16 AM

Jul 2019

My confidence in both the DoJ and the Judicial Branch is waning.

Most folks recognize that under W, the US conducted/condoned torture.

Iran/Contra was in contravention of many UN recognized treaties.

To me, the Hague could essentially be a neutral court outside of internal USA politics.

We were able to convict Calley, but we can't even prosecute a cop that kills a kid.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)

4. That's one cop. Others have been freed and others have been convicted...

Reply to bigbrother05 (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:23 AM

Jul 2019

300 million people with differing ideas on right and wrong, justice, and so many other things we have to deal with. It's easier organizing cats than humans.

Think of it as cycles-- one step back and one and 1/2 steps forward. Forever.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)

3. I would.

Reply to bigbrother05 (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:19 AM

Jul 2019

eppur_se_muova

(36,258 posts)

5. Obviously, Steven Miller is a shoo-in. tRump too, I hope. nt

Reply to bigbrother05 (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:43 AM

Jul 2019

PufPuf23

(8,764 posts)

6. So far Trump has been more bluster compared to GWB et al as far as war crimes.

Reply to bigbrother05 (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:50 AM

Jul 2019

We ae too far down the rabbit hole for any of that to matter anymore evidently.

We have become what we hate regards our supposed ideals.

Trump is a danger on the edge of massive disaster.

Democratic leadership is more likely to be imprisoned.

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