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Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 05:47 AM Jul 2019

Racists are trying to use 'science' to prove mermaids can't be black. Yes, really


Posted 18 hours ago by Narjas Zatat in news

When all else fails, a cheeky bit of eugenics will go a long way, said no one ever.

People are trying really, really hard to justify why Ariel from The Little Mermaid should be played by a white actress.

This comes after an announcement that singer and actress Halle Bailey, who is of African American descent, has won the role, with many arguing that the mythological fish-person should remain “authentic” to the original aesthetic – that is a white mermaid with red hair.

As those arguments have been exhausted and proven invalid for multiple reasons, outlined in a previous indy100 article, some people have turned to science.

More:
https://www.indy100.com/article/racists-use-science-proof-disney-little-mermaid-ariel-not-black-8988571
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Racists are trying to use 'science' to prove mermaids can't be black. Yes, really (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2019 OP
Yemanja kurtcagle Jul 2019 #1
Yes, Iyemọja originally from Nigeria. Mother of all orishas and life, the unconscious, deep Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #4
they gave up on Santa Claus? Skittles Jul 2019 #2
Also, ghostbusters are not women. Mc Mike Jul 2019 #18
An echo of the old white Jesus v. black Jesus arguments and portrayals of some time back empedocles Jul 2019 #3
I saw a video of Halle singing "Unforgettable". Cracklin Charlie Jul 2019 #5
They're missing the whole pointing of "acting". procon Jul 2019 #6
I don't know. Anyone who believes in mermaids, it sounds very fishy to me still_one Jul 2019 #7
They're just arguing for the halibut. jberryhill Jul 2019 #8
You're codding me! ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #14
There are Asian mermaids, too. Here is Suvannamacha in a scene from Tanuki Jul 2019 #9
Just enjoyed some beautiful imagery of Suvannamacha and her story. Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #11
Well, since the merfolk are sidhe, they can appear however they wish Maeve Jul 2019 #10
same shit they pulled when Wonder Woman wasn't cast with a blue-eyed American woman wyldwolf Jul 2019 #12
Next on the agenda NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #13
Finn, Rue, Jesus, Santa Claus, Heimdall, and my personal favorite... Iggo Jul 2019 #17
watch this bdamomma Jul 2019 #15
I remember a brief WTF? moment many years ago... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #16
this is so fucking stupid... Volaris Jul 2019 #19
LOL!!! skypilot Jul 2019 #20

kurtcagle

(1,601 posts)
1. Yemanja
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 06:15 AM
Jul 2019

The Brazilian Orisha of water, Yemanja, was a beautiful black mermaid. Most maritime cultures have merfolk that reflects native racial characteristics, and the oldest mermaid myths came from the Phoenicians, who were probably not as dark as the Egyptians but would have been considered "black" in modern-day America.

Indeed, one of my favorite mermaids, Sandra Rozar, is a superb black mermaid:



It saddens me that people are so caught up in their hatred that they cannot appreciate the diversity of humanity.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
4. Yes, Iyemọja originally from Nigeria. Mother of all orishas and life, the unconscious, deep
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 07:10 AM
Jul 2019

secrets and, of course, women -especially pregnant women - and children.

Olokun, orisha of wealth and the deep sea who is androgynous, depicted as female or male. I love the male depiction because there are so few imagery of mermen.



Oftentimes Oshun, the orisha of freshwater, rivers and love is naturally depicted as a mermaid.



The most renown through the Caribbeans is Mami Wata, the mother of all waters. I've never gone far enough to place her squarely in West Africa but I suspect she is a combination of Iyemọja, Olokun and Oshun.




Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
5. I saw a video of Halle singing "Unforgettable".
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 07:12 AM
Jul 2019

That girl can play any singing mermaid she wants!

She is beautiful, and very talented.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. They're missing the whole pointing of "acting".
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 07:32 AM
Jul 2019

A good actor transforms herself on stage. The 29 year old beauty becomes the withered old crone without any stage makeup, but just by using her acting skills to make the audience believe she has become the character her role calls for.

Her skin color, like the color of her hair or eyes, is completely irrelevant to the role she is playing or her skills as an actor.

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
9. There are Asian mermaids, too. Here is Suvannamacha in a scene from
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 07:46 AM
Jul 2019

a Cambodian performance of the Ramayana:

Maeve

(42,271 posts)
10. Well, since the merfolk are sidhe, they can appear however they wish
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 07:56 AM
Jul 2019

That's the Irish for what English calls "fairy-folk". One of the origin stories claims they were the angels who refused to take sides in Lucifer's rebellion and were told "You don't have to go to hell, but you can't stay here" and fell to earth. Those who landed in the water became either merfolk or selkies (i.e., seal-people).

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
12. same shit they pulled when Wonder Woman wasn't cast with a blue-eyed American woman
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 08:17 AM
Jul 2019

Legends of Amazons, like Mermaids, predate the Western world.

There are legends of "mermaids' in Africa.

AFRICA // MAMI WATA
The "water spirit" Mami Wata is sometimes described as a mermaid, sometimes as a snake charmer, and occasionally as a combination of both. Found in many African folk stories, the legend of Mami Wata made its way to the Americas during the Atlantic slave trade. Although she can sometimes take human form, she is never fully human. She is closely associated with healing, fertility, and sex.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
13. Next on the agenda
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 08:50 AM
Jul 2019

why Finn in Star Wars: The Force Awakens can't be black

Then, why Rue from The Hunger Games can't be black

Meanwhile, we have green frog men in Star Wars wielding light sabers and crime bosses that look like gigantic slugs, but a black stormtrooper is a no-no.


Wounded Bear

(58,601 posts)
16. I remember a brief WTF? moment many years ago...
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 09:27 AM
Jul 2019

when Denzel rode on screen playing an Italian Duke in "Much Ado About Nothing." But of course, he nailed the part.



When talented actors apply themselves to a role, little things like race and skin color kind of fall away. I'm old enough to know those feelings of racism that used to be "normal" in day to day life. We weren't full on racists where I grew up, but we had our share of ethnic and racial jokes that circulated. Been trying to grow up a bit since the 60's though.

Some roles require racial "accuracy." Probably doesn't apply to fantasies, though.

Last I heard, science says that we're all one species. Variations in appearance depend and come from environment and anthropology.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
19. this is so fucking stupid...
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jul 2019

If this is what ignorant white people are gonna do with themselves when their brains get bored, we had better give them something else to do...mission to Mars can go on the list, national high speed rail design and build, etc...
SOMETHING to occupy them for a decade or so, while we give them national healthcare without them noticing heh...

skypilot

(8,851 posts)
20. LOL!!!
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jul 2019

"My opinion on why mermaids are white is..." "But maybe I'm thinking too much."


Yeah, I doubt it.

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