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G_j

(40,366 posts)
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 10:48 AM Jul 2019

The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/evangelical-christians-face-deepening-crisis/593353/

Support for Trump comes at a high cost for Christian witness.

PETER WEHNER - 7/5/19

Last week, Ralph Reed, the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s founder and chairman, told the group, “There has never been anyone who has defended us and who has fought for us, who we have loved more than Donald J. Trump. No one!”

Reed is partially right; for many evangelical Christians, there is no political figure whom they have loved more than Donald Trump.

I recently exchanged emails with a pro-Trump figure who attended the president’s reelection rally in Orlando, Florida, on June 18. (He spoke to me on the condition of anonymity, so as to avoid personal or professional repercussions.) He had interviewed scores of people, many of them evangelical Christians. “I have never witnessed the kind of excitement and enthusiasm for a political figure in my life,” he told me. “I honestly couldn’t believe the unwavering support they have. And to a person, it was all about ‘the fight.’ There is a very strong sense (I believe justified, you disagree) that he has been wronged. Wronged by Mueller, wronged by the media, wronged by the anti-Trump forces. A passionate belief that he never gets credit for anything.”



The enthusiastic, uncritical embrace of President Trump by white evangelicals is among the most mind-blowing development of the Trump era. How can a group that for decades—and especially during the Bill Clinton presidency—insisted that character counts and that personal integrity is an essential component of presidential leadership not only turn a blind eye to the ethical and moral transgressions of Donald Trump, but also constantly defend him? Why are those who have been on the vanguard of “family values” so eager to give a man with a sordid personal and sexual history a mulligan?

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While on the Pacific Coast last week, I had lunch with Karel Coppock, whom I have known for many years and who has played an important role in my Christian pilgrimage. In speaking about the widespread, reflexive evangelical support for the president, Coppock—who is theologically orthodox and generally sympathetic to conservatism—lamented the effect this moral freak show is having, especially on the younger generation. With unusual passion, he told me, “We’re losing an entire generation. They’re just gone. It’s one of the worst things to happen to the Church.”

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The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity (Original Post) G_j Jul 2019 OP
Fantastic article. MicaelS Jul 2019 #1
Evangelical Christian is an malaise Jul 2019 #2
Some churches are changing their names to disguise their connection dalton99a Jul 2019 #6
Hehehehe malaise Jul 2019 #8
Hardly any churches call themselves Fundamentalist anymore Mariana Jul 2019 #38
It's understandable gratuitous Jul 2019 #3
He'd better explain that rain yesterday malaise Jul 2019 #9
Trump is the best thing that could ever happen to that bunch of soulless greedy assholes dalton99a Jul 2019 #4
' . . . the younger generation . . . We're losing an entire generation. They've just gone.' empedocles Jul 2019 #5
That's all about the hypocrisy they are witnessing in their parents ooky Jul 2019 #12
Not to mention the rampant amount of sexual abuse from these same churches that go unreported. Crowman2009 Jul 2019 #18
Quick! Draw those gerrymandering maps to exclude anyone under 30! erronis Jul 2019 #24
Isn't there something about, "By their deeds they shall be known" in the Bible? jalan48 Jul 2019 #7
"We're losing an entire generation" - good, it's about damned time. hatrack Jul 2019 #10
KnR Hekate Jul 2019 #11
Good, they don't deserve it! Initech Jul 2019 #13
I guess being exposed as the fake Christians they are RAB910 Jul 2019 #14
You can almost tell what kind of Christian someone is by the political party they identify with. -nt CrispyQ Jul 2019 #15
Almost? iemitsu Jul 2019 #17
Zactly. Duppers Jul 2019 #20
+1000 Duppers Jul 2019 #19
The type of church and denomination is more telling IMO. mwooldri Jul 2019 #21
Yeah, in the US they're pretty even. Mariana Jul 2019 #39
"We're losing an entire generation." Martin Eden Jul 2019 #16
Pence is creepy. I wouldn't trust him around children or small animals. hunter Jul 2019 #35
just another fascist, ignorant cult full of really, really stupid, gullible idiots yaesu Jul 2019 #22
Evangelicals are now just a GOP lobby group. bronxiteforever Jul 2019 #23
He represents Armageddon which they have bee waiting for for hundreds of years. They believe trump notdarkyet Jul 2019 #25
the fake veneer of evamgelical christianity has been revealed for what its is beachbum bob Jul 2019 #26
I think they take the warning against eating fruit from the tree of knowledge cilla4progress Jul 2019 #27
reinforces the delusion that is religion KG Jul 2019 #28
I hope it's true, that they are losing an entire generation mountain grammy Jul 2019 #29
And with their support, the evangelicals have pretty well cost themselves future generations... SWBTATTReg Jul 2019 #30
Good. The more youth who desert religious bullshit the better chance stopbush Jul 2019 #31
ministers can't keep their willies in their pants? SoCalDem Jul 2019 #32
They did this to themselves. Xolodno Jul 2019 #33
The headline doesn't match the excerpt. lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #34
Who is losing a whole generation? Sanity Claws Jul 2019 #36
Kick ck4829 Jul 2019 #37
They've pretty much made support for Trump a tenet of the faith. Mariana Jul 2019 #40

malaise

(268,724 posts)
2. Evangelical Christian is an
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 10:59 AM
Jul 2019

oxymoron which is appropriate given that the vast majority of their members are gullible morons.

dalton99a

(81,406 posts)
6. Some churches are changing their names to disguise their connection
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:08 AM
Jul 2019

from "Evangelical" to generic bullshit


malaise

(268,724 posts)
8. Hehehehe
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:19 AM
Jul 2019

You can see why- the alliance with the King of Cons makes sense since they are all snake oil salesmen

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
38. Hardly any churches call themselves Fundamentalist anymore
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:08 AM
Jul 2019

although there used to be a lot of them that did. It just became too embarrassing, I guess. Now the same is happening with the Evangelical churches.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. It's understandable
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:02 AM
Jul 2019

When does a rich white guy ever catch a break in our country? It's just terrible, all the oppression Trump has been through! The sun came up in the east this morning, but does anyone credit Trump? No, just a lot of mumbo-jumbo about the earth turning on some axis nobody can see. And that's just one example.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
5. ' . . . the younger generation . . . We're losing an entire generation. They've just gone.'
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:08 AM
Jul 2019

There has been an important anti- Republican culture shift among younger generations. This is such good news.

ooky

(8,908 posts)
12. That's all about the hypocrisy they are witnessing in their parents
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:46 AM
Jul 2019

who they see embracing a wicked president who is actually the opposite of the Christian doctrine they were raised by their parents to follow. They are basically being told that everything they were taught to believe was a lie.

Crowman2009

(2,492 posts)
18. Not to mention the rampant amount of sexual abuse from these same churches that go unreported.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:39 PM
Jul 2019

Then there is the rampant homophobia, constant droning on about the rapture/apocalypse, fraud, etc.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
24. Quick! Draw those gerrymandering maps to exclude anyone under 30!
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jul 2019

I'm sure that the pros can even draw the boundaries through homes and youngster's bedrooms.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
7. Isn't there something about, "By their deeds they shall be known" in the Bible?
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:11 AM
Jul 2019

People can call themselves whatever they want, it doesn't mean it's necessarily true.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
13. Good, they don't deserve it!
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:47 AM
Jul 2019

The more they support Trump and the murderous dictators popping up all over the world, the more they will lose us.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
15. You can almost tell what kind of Christian someone is by the political party they identify with. -nt
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jul 2019

mwooldri

(10,301 posts)
21. The type of church and denomination is more telling IMO.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jul 2019

Though IMO it's hard to tell with Roman Catholicism.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
39. Yeah, in the US they're pretty even.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:11 AM
Jul 2019

52% of Roman Catholic voters cast their ballots for Trump in 2016. Certainly a majority, but a small one.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
16. "We're losing an entire generation."
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:15 PM
Jul 2019

Reason for celebration!!!

White evangelicals are their own worst enemy, and rightly so.

Why do they so enthusiastically support an amoral sexual predator like Donald Trump?

That should be obvious; he represents their REAL values -- white privilege, paternalism over women, and the selfish glorification of wealth.

They reveal themselves to be the worst kind of hypocrites, which is why so many young people are being turned off to their brand of religion.

The worst hypocrite of all, perhaps, is Mike Pence:

Mike Pence's Towering Hypocrisy
The presidency's "powers are vast and consequential, its requirements -- from the outset and by definition -- impossible for mortals to fulfill without humility and insistent attention to its purposes as set forth in the Constitution of the United States," declared Pence, his gaze steely and his jaw firmly set. Of power, he said, "Those who are entrusted with it must educate themselves in self-restraint."

"A true statesman lives in what Churchill called a continuous 'stress of soul,'
" Pence informed his audience. "And that's why you must always be wary of a president who seems to float upon his own greatness."

Pence told a story to illustrate the humanity and humility of Calvin Coolidge. "A sensibility like this -- and not power -- is the source of presidential dignity, and it must be restored," he said. "It depends entirely upon character, self-discipline and an understanding of the fundamental principles that underlie not only the republic but life itself.

"It communicates that the president feels the gravity of his office and is willing to sacrifice himself, that his eye is not upon his own prospects but upon the storm of history, through which it is his responsibility to navigate with the specific powers accorded to him and the limitations placed upon them not merely by man but by God."

Donald Trump is the antithesis of every virtue Pence insisted is required in a president, and yet Mike Pence supplicates himself as a bootlicking sycophant to the orange abomination.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
35. Pence is creepy. I wouldn't trust him around children or small animals.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 04:17 PM
Jul 2019

There's some bad shit in his closet.

The masters of the Republican Party know what that shit is, otherwise Pence wouldn't be Vice President.

He is a dangerous tool.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
22. just another fascist, ignorant cult full of really, really stupid, gullible idiots
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jul 2019

in other words, normal tRump supporters.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
23. Evangelicals are now just a GOP lobby group.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:46 PM
Jul 2019

They took the Christianity part and dragged into the bathtub and drowned it ala Grover Norquist.

In all the various flavors of Christianity, there is no way anyone can square children in cages with Jesus Christ. This open and obvious cognitive dissonance will bring down the Evangelicals. You can’t teach little children that Jesus loves the little children and then separate them from their parents and torture them. You can’t spin this cruelty.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
25. He represents Armageddon which they have bee waiting for for hundreds of years. They believe trump
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jul 2019

Will take them there. They want to be raptured. Sexual predators are part of the leaders makeup in the cult Koresh,, Jim Jones, the Mormon leader serving time right now in Utah. Most of them turnout to be sexual deviants.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
26. the fake veneer of evamgelical christianity has been revealed for what its is
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jul 2019

- nothing to do teachings of Jesus
- everything to do about racism

cilla4progress

(24,718 posts)
27. I think they take the warning against eating fruit from the tree of knowledge
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jul 2019

literally.

Like everything else.

mountain grammy

(26,600 posts)
29. I hope it's true, that they are losing an entire generation
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:03 PM
Jul 2019

that will be good for human beings in general.. these evangelicals will get us all killed.

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
30. And with their support, the evangelicals have pretty well cost themselves future generations...
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jul 2019

as they are mocked even more so than usual. These people are challenged with facts, don't care about anyone else but themselves (got to remember, all of us are devil spawn etc.), and believe basically that the modern day era upon us is a sign of the 'end times' coming.

I've seen excuse after excuse after excuse from these people over the last 40-50 years explaining why this prediction or that prediction, etc., that were made by one of their so called preachers/pastors didn't happen when they predicted it, etc. It's constant and you would think that they would finally figure it out, that in truth, they don't know anymore than the rest of us.


stopbush

(24,393 posts)
31. Good. The more youth who desert religious bullshit the better chance
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jul 2019

we have at having a rationale, fact-based political discourse.

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
33. They did this to themselves.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jul 2019

The Gospel is the Good News. If you hear from an Evangelical, its Bad News.

The hyper threats of going to hell if you don't believe a-b-c and don't do x-y-z is a turn off. They may get some converts, but they don't last...including those who converted them.

Using fear to keep the flock in line is not a long term solution.

And Social Engineering usually backfires. Such as sending kids to religious camp and then telling them they can't swap ghost stories by the camp fire because its not WWJD, meanwhile, when they get back home, they learn their parents, relatives, etc. used to do it.

Then you have all the questionable "investments". Mega-churches, huge retreats and compounds that make Catholic versions even blush, huge productions, pushing books, media, etc. just like Scientologists, etc.

Then of course corruption of leaders doesn't help much.

I for one am happy to see this go down the drain. Prefer churches that work in the community building homeless shelters, food banks, etc.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
34. The headline doesn't match the excerpt.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 04:08 PM
Jul 2019

These clowns seem totally delighted with their Grand Poobah. Crisis? What crisis?

Sanity Claws

(21,841 posts)
36. Who is losing a whole generation?
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 08:36 PM
Jul 2019

The Evangelicals?
Or Christianity as a whole?

Whether the article meant it or not, all of Christianity is taking a hit. The hypocrisy of the Evangelicals definitely plays an important role in it but the pedophile scandals in the Catholic Church also contributes to it.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
40. They've pretty much made support for Trump a tenet of the faith.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:19 AM
Jul 2019

I guess they figure once Trump brings about their theocratic dictatorship, they can just round up all those young people who've rejected the church, and force them to return to the fold.

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