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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/evangelical-christians-face-deepening-crisis/593353/Support for Trump comes at a high cost for Christian witness.
PETER WEHNER - 7/5/19
Last week, Ralph Reed, the Faith and Freedom Coalitions founder and chairman, told the group, There has never been anyone who has defended us and who has fought for us, who we have loved more than Donald J. Trump. No one!
Reed is partially right; for many evangelical Christians, there is no political figure whom they have loved more than Donald Trump.
I recently exchanged emails with a pro-Trump figure who attended the presidents reelection rally in Orlando, Florida, on June 18. (He spoke to me on the condition of anonymity, so as to avoid personal or professional repercussions.) He had interviewed scores of people, many of them evangelical Christians. I have never witnessed the kind of excitement and enthusiasm for a political figure in my life, he told me. I honestly couldnt believe the unwavering support they have. And to a person, it was all about the fight. There is a very strong sense (I believe justified, you disagree) that he has been wronged. Wronged by Mueller, wronged by the media, wronged by the anti-Trump forces. A passionate belief that he never gets credit for anything.
The enthusiastic, uncritical embrace of President Trump by white evangelicals is among the most mind-blowing development of the Trump era. How can a group that for decadesand especially during the Bill Clinton presidencyinsisted that character counts and that personal integrity is an essential component of presidential leadership not only turn a blind eye to the ethical and moral transgressions of Donald Trump, but also constantly defend him? Why are those who have been on the vanguard of family values so eager to give a man with a sordid personal and sexual history a mulligan?
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While on the Pacific Coast last week, I had lunch with Karel Coppock, whom I have known for many years and who has played an important role in my Christian pilgrimage. In speaking about the widespread, reflexive evangelical support for the president, Coppockwho is theologically orthodox and generally sympathetic to conservatismlamented the effect this moral freak show is having, especially on the younger generation. With unusual passion, he told me, Were losing an entire generation. Theyre just gone. Its one of the worst things to happen to the Church.
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MicaelS
(8,747 posts)As. Christian I agree with it 100 percent.
malaise
(268,724 posts)oxymoron which is appropriate given that the vast majority of their members are gullible morons.
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)from "Evangelical" to generic bullshit
malaise
(268,724 posts)You can see why- the alliance with the King of Cons makes sense since they are all snake oil salesmen
Mariana
(14,854 posts)although there used to be a lot of them that did. It just became too embarrassing, I guess. Now the same is happening with the Evangelical churches.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)When does a rich white guy ever catch a break in our country? It's just terrible, all the oppression Trump has been through! The sun came up in the east this morning, but does anyone credit Trump? No, just a lot of mumbo-jumbo about the earth turning on some axis nobody can see. And that's just one example.
malaise
(268,724 posts)to his sheeple
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)There has been an important anti- Republican culture shift among younger generations. This is such good news.
ooky
(8,908 posts)who they see embracing a wicked president who is actually the opposite of the Christian doctrine they were raised by their parents to follow. They are basically being told that everything they were taught to believe was a lie.
Crowman2009
(2,492 posts)Then there is the rampant homophobia, constant droning on about the rapture/apocalypse, fraud, etc.
erronis
(15,185 posts)I'm sure that the pros can even draw the boundaries through homes and youngster's bedrooms.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)People can call themselves whatever they want, it doesn't mean it's necessarily true.
hatrack
(59,578 posts)I'll to that!
Initech
(100,043 posts)The more they support Trump and the murderous dictators popping up all over the world, the more they will lose us.
RAB910
(3,489 posts)Constitutes a "crisis"
CrispyQ
(36,424 posts)No almost about it.
mwooldri
(10,301 posts)Though IMO it's hard to tell with Roman Catholicism.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)52% of Roman Catholic voters cast their ballots for Trump in 2016. Certainly a majority, but a small one.
Martin Eden
(12,847 posts)Reason for celebration!!!
White evangelicals are their own worst enemy, and rightly so.
Why do they so enthusiastically support an amoral sexual predator like Donald Trump?
That should be obvious; he represents their REAL values -- white privilege, paternalism over women, and the selfish glorification of wealth.
They reveal themselves to be the worst kind of hypocrites, which is why so many young people are being turned off to their brand of religion.
The worst hypocrite of all, perhaps, is Mike Pence:
The presidency's "powers are vast and consequential, its requirements -- from the outset and by definition -- impossible for mortals to fulfill without humility and insistent attention to its purposes as set forth in the Constitution of the United States," declared Pence, his gaze steely and his jaw firmly set. Of power, he said, "Those who are entrusted with it must educate themselves in self-restraint."
"A true statesman lives in what Churchill called a continuous 'stress of soul,'" Pence informed his audience. "And that's why you must always be wary of a president who seems to float upon his own greatness."
Pence told a story to illustrate the humanity and humility of Calvin Coolidge. "A sensibility like this -- and not power -- is the source of presidential dignity, and it must be restored," he said. "It depends entirely upon character, self-discipline and an understanding of the fundamental principles that underlie not only the republic but life itself.
"It communicates that the president feels the gravity of his office and is willing to sacrifice himself, that his eye is not upon his own prospects but upon the storm of history, through which it is his responsibility to navigate with the specific powers accorded to him and the limitations placed upon them not merely by man but by God."
Donald Trump is the antithesis of every virtue Pence insisted is required in a president, and yet Mike Pence supplicates himself as a bootlicking sycophant to the orange abomination.
hunter
(38,304 posts)There's some bad shit in his closet.
The masters of the Republican Party know what that shit is, otherwise Pence wouldn't be Vice President.
He is a dangerous tool.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)in other words, normal tRump supporters.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)They took the Christianity part and dragged into the bathtub and drowned it ala Grover Norquist.
In all the various flavors of Christianity, there is no way anyone can square children in cages with Jesus Christ. This open and obvious cognitive dissonance will bring down the Evangelicals. You cant teach little children that Jesus loves the little children and then separate them from their parents and torture them. You cant spin this cruelty.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Will take them there. They want to be raptured. Sexual predators are part of the leaders makeup in the cult Koresh,, Jim Jones, the Mormon leader serving time right now in Utah. Most of them turnout to be sexual deviants.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)- nothing to do teachings of Jesus
- everything to do about racism
cilla4progress
(24,718 posts)literally.
Like everything else.
KG
(28,751 posts)mountain grammy
(26,600 posts)that will be good for human beings in general.. these evangelicals will get us all killed.
SWBTATTReg
(22,077 posts)as they are mocked even more so than usual. These people are challenged with facts, don't care about anyone else but themselves (got to remember, all of us are devil spawn etc.), and believe basically that the modern day era upon us is a sign of the 'end times' coming.
I've seen excuse after excuse after excuse from these people over the last 40-50 years explaining why this prediction or that prediction, etc., that were made by one of their so called preachers/pastors didn't happen when they predicted it, etc. It's constant and you would think that they would finally figure it out, that in truth, they don't know anymore than the rest of us.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)we have at having a rationale, fact-based political discourse.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Xolodno
(6,384 posts)The Gospel is the Good News. If you hear from an Evangelical, its Bad News.
The hyper threats of going to hell if you don't believe a-b-c and don't do x-y-z is a turn off. They may get some converts, but they don't last...including those who converted them.
Using fear to keep the flock in line is not a long term solution.
And Social Engineering usually backfires. Such as sending kids to religious camp and then telling them they can't swap ghost stories by the camp fire because its not WWJD, meanwhile, when they get back home, they learn their parents, relatives, etc. used to do it.
Then you have all the questionable "investments". Mega-churches, huge retreats and compounds that make Catholic versions even blush, huge productions, pushing books, media, etc. just like Scientologists, etc.
Then of course corruption of leaders doesn't help much.
I for one am happy to see this go down the drain. Prefer churches that work in the community building homeless shelters, food banks, etc.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)These clowns seem totally delighted with their Grand Poobah. Crisis? What crisis?
Sanity Claws
(21,841 posts)The Evangelicals?
Or Christianity as a whole?
Whether the article meant it or not, all of Christianity is taking a hit. The hypocrisy of the Evangelicals definitely plays an important role in it but the pedophile scandals in the Catholic Church also contributes to it.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)I guess they figure once Trump brings about their theocratic dictatorship, they can just round up all those young people who've rejected the church, and force them to return to the fold.