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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGood reporting here on a very bad situation in the House majority. I had not fully appreciated just
how hurtful AOC's aide has been to veteran African-American Reps.. "Link to tweet
Context for those who hadn't seen the tweet of whom I am one.
Link to tweet
Hyperbolic Gas Lighting much, Chakrabarti?
Thekaspervote
(32,689 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)for those Dems
Mahalo, Thekaspervote
Thekaspervote
(32,689 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)what you meant when I took a second.
Thank you, pangaia.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)It makes one wonder just what is being said about Pelosi in the AOC and other progressive camps behind closed doors. I mean, this tweet was not created in a vacuum. There was a context, and I don't think it was merely what AOC has been posting.
Cha
(296,767 posts)".. it was not created in a vacuum..".
What are they thinking?! I'm pretty sure Nancy is thinking that she wants the Democratic House to win in 2020 like she helped make happen in the BlueWave of 2018!
Link to tweet
Mahalo, ProudLib!
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Yes, I'm imagining a conspiracy going down. At the very least, a lot of divisive trash talk that does our party no good.
Cha
(296,767 posts)and Winning.. I don't know what the hell Chakabarti thinks he's doing.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)After all, is the name of JDs Siamese twin group. This was his usual, a constant spew of anti-democratic party hate messages, before Ocasio was sworn in and brought him into the big times. Over 200 representatives sent by Democratic voters to Congress are their take-out targets, including of course Pelosi and the rest of our leadership.
Ambitious little scorpions. I dont know just how strongly Ocasio does or does not share their attitudes, but I strongly suspect firing him and the others hes packed her staff with would turn them into dangerous enemies. They spent 2016 spreading anti-Hillary/anti-Democratic Party lies, after all, so would know how to take her down.
Itd be interesting to know just what brought on this bout of Chakrabartis acting out of his true self.
Cha
(296,767 posts)haven't paid any attention to the "brand new congress" so Mahalo for filling me in!
Me.
(35,454 posts)Maybe what they should be doing is making a second trip to the border...after all this is a terrible situation and it's money where your mouth is time.
peggysue2
(10,819 posts)For her twitter followers primarily, all to enhance 'the movement' she apparently believes she's leading. She's having some success in bending perceptions her way. I've been reading unflattering comments about Pelosi all week, how Pelosi is strangling free expression and progress, how she's 'old guard' and should step aside.
I'm getting really tired of these whiners.
From the mouth of someone who has been on the job how long???? vs a woman who has worked in the trenches for 20-30 years and produced actual results for the Democratic Party. The comparison between these two women isn't even close. Crazier yet is Nancy Pelosi is a dedicated liberal; she has the record to prove it.
Her aide, however, went too far with that tweet, comparing Blue Dog Dems (which now includes anyone beyond the far left) to Southern Democrats fighting against equality for people of color. He and she are receiving the appropriate blowback.
They deserve it!
melman
(7,681 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)praised AOC before so we know he's not biased about the tweet in the OP.
And, yeah.. you "stand" with this..
Link to tweet
I saw all that in the first post. No need to post it again.
"And, yeah.. you "stand" with this.."
Show me where I said that. You can't.
Cha
(296,767 posts)and your attempt to kill the messenger didn't work.
Hekate
(90,527 posts)...and says out loud : "I Stand With AOC."
Cha
(296,767 posts)case you missed it.
And, yeah the "you stand with that" is in your sig line.
My sig says I stand with AOC
This refers to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)
Perhaps you're unfamiliar? more info here https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/
George II
(67,782 posts)Chakrabarti is her Chief of Staff and was her campaign manager. So I suppose you stand with him, too? I noticed that with this current dust up and him being more arrogant in his tweets, he's changed his profile:
"CoS to @AOC. My tweets are my own and not the views of my employer."
But that's not entirely true (surprised?) - since he retweets just about everything she tweets, HIS tweets ARE the views of his employer.
Cha
(296,767 posts)them or she would tell him he's hurting her image, right?
Nice gas lighting deniability. Why would anyone want a COS staff around who tweets divisive, hurtful accusations if it wasn't approved? It's incomprehensible.
George II
(67,782 posts)(718) 662-5970
See what you get.
Me.
(35,454 posts)2. PLease call again
3.Click
4. So... what?...No personnel, no leave a message?
George II
(67,782 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Allowances
Each member receives the same amount of MRA funds for personal expenses. Allowances for office expenses vary from member to member based on the distance between the member's home district and Washington, D.C., and the average rent for office space in the member's home district. Allowances for mailing vary based on the number of residential mailing addresses in the member's home district as reported by the U.S. Census Bureau.
In 2016, each members MRA increased by 1% from the 2015 level, and the MRAs range from $1,207,510 to $1,383,709, with an average of $1,268,520.
Most of each member's annual MRA allowance is used to pay their office personnel. In 2016, for example, the office personnel allowance for each member was $944,671.
https://www.thoughtco.com/allowances-to-members-of-congress-3322261
George II
(67,782 posts)....MOC did. But she complained the rent went up a few thousand dollars (we don't really know that) so she was building a new office. The interesting thing is the cost of the new office construction is MUCH higher than the rent increase over two years. Plus, it could have been open on day one, now we're more than six months into the term (one-quarter of two years!) and still no office.
...
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George II This message was self-deleted by its author.
Me.
(35,454 posts)There are no rules or laws against it
George II
(67,782 posts)You might find the biography of the person on that shirt, Subhas Chandra Bose, quite disturbing.
Clash City Rocker
(3,385 posts)AOC is drifting danger close to Jill Stein territory. When you drift far enough to the left, you are indistinguishable from someone in the far right.
lapucelle
(18,186 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)But that's not it.
lapucelle
(18,186 posts)Thank you for helping to strengthen the OP's argument.
Cha
(296,767 posts)Watson, melman? Does it have anything to do with what Chakrabarti is tweeting? AOC's COS?
melman
(7,681 posts)nor did I suggest I did have anything to say about him.
If you missed the point I was trying to make it's really not my problem. So sorry.
Cha
(296,767 posts)Tom Watson is the messenger.
Anything to say about the actual OP? Chakrabarti's message? AOC's COS?
...
wysi
(1,512 posts)That kind of talk has no place in the Democratic Party.
Cha
(296,767 posts)responsible for his words.
Many activists who admired AOC are not okay with this.
sheshe2
(83,633 posts)That is not enough. He needs to issue an apology, though I won't hold my breath. That was a down right ugly thing to say.
Thanks, Cha.
Cha
(296,767 posts)Taking lessons from david sirota? When you don't want to be he held accountable you just delete?
Thank You, she.. sigh.
sheshe2
(83,633 posts)Called her a racist enabler.
JHC!
Cha
(296,767 posts)I'll have to find that one.. Thanks, she
sheshe2
(83,633 posts)OK Nancy, here.
://www.democraticunderground.com/100212271007#post4
4. I hate that the right-wingers exposed this but
she needs to get rid of him. He's a liability and I thought this before I even read this article.
He deleted a bunch of nasty tweets but I saved this one. Called out Sharice Davids of all people. Not sure if it is still there:
Julian Brave NoiseCat
✔
@jnoisecat
· Jun 27, 2019
Replying to @jnoisecat @saikatc
Well looks like you deleted your tweet. Good on you
Saikat Chakrabarti
@saikatc
I think the point still stands. I don't think people have to be personally racist to enable a racist system. And the same could even be said of the Southern De
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6:35 PM - Jun 27, 2019
--- The deleted ones were worse--- btw, I'm not @jnoisecat
Cha
(296,767 posts)in this forever form.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100212271007#post4
I'm sure Sharice Davids will be happy to learn AOC's COS thinks she "votes to enable a racist system".
What a pile of gas lighting.
JI7
(89,239 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)Dems with these kinds of gas lighting accusations are not.
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JI7
(89,239 posts)considering all the crap Gillibrand gets for that.........
Cha
(296,767 posts)mcar
(42,278 posts)Only Gillibrand gets crap for that.
silentEcho
(424 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)But don't say that too loud.
highplainsdem
(48,886 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)It's a hard row to hoe sometimes when there's so much gas lighting going on.
Thank You for helping!
Thekaspervote
(32,689 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)for all the shite he started.. will he apologize?
stopdiggin
(11,235 posts)We have to be able to tell the difference between a firebrand (occasional a good thing) -- and a bomb thrower. And the people that have trouble finding that distinction are not helping the cause. Passionate advocacy is one thing. Virulent attacks against your neighbors ..?
Cha
(296,767 posts)This has been ridiculous to put it mildly.
Hekate
(90,527 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)didn't think he was helping AOC.
NBachers
(17,080 posts)Our Party was attacked from within by "insurgents" and putschists during the last election cycle. How'd that work out?
Not this time, Saikat
Cha
(296,767 posts)It's almost unfathomable how a Dem Rep's COS could send such a cruel, gas lighting, divisive message like that.
But, here we are.
Yes, Not This Time.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,236 posts)I suggest Saikat Chakrabarti come chat with some of my neighbors to find out what "Southern Democrats" are really like. His history is a bit off, too; it didn't end in the '40s. Dixiecrats stampeded from the party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Pelosi has long been the target of the party of extremists. Why are there suddenly members of the Democratic party aiding the propaganda? Pelosi may be Speaker, but she still has 1 vote. If you're frustrated with progress, get more votes.
Cha
(296,767 posts)historical perspective, Hermit.
It was a sickeningly, mean-spirited, disingenuous, accusation.. I've read he's now deleted it.. but the damage is done and lives forever on the internet.
Chakabarti needs to be held accountable for what he tweets out.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:45 AM - Edit history (1)
And so are Cummings,, john Lewis, Maxine Waters and all the others who have fought the good fight for many years!
Democrats do not need a Freedom Caucus of disrupters..
Cha
(296,767 posts)It's hard to wrap my mind around the mean-spirited attacks on Dems that have nothing to do with reality.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Think race-baiting still works should visit my neighborhood. Been integrated for 50 years. Most people think of others as people, not race or color.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)No.. you need to explain yourself.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Nancy's thinking about Winning the House Again in 2020..
Link to tweet
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Otherwise, you may have to own up to your own words.
Cha
(296,767 posts)betsuni
(25,367 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:30 AM - Edit history (1)
STAY OFF TWITTER/FACEBOOK!
Do your daily work/tend to your constituents.
Stop trying so hard (in public) to "change the world".FYI, you can pass all kind of good laws, BUT the senate is not gonna play ball and Trump is no help... You are spinning your wheels..
and if all you do is lob grenades at each other, you will be a minority soon.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)This will do.
Cha
(296,767 posts)brush
(53,726 posts)He calls other Dems segregationists and today she insinuated that the Speaker is a racist. Just think if AOC had begun early on to build a voting block of other reps..
she could've went to the Speaker with actual leverage that could've torpedoed that immigration bill if it wasn't changed.
IMO in six months in office a lot of that time has been spent battling with the Speaker and other Dems on social media and in the corridors of the House as she did today by accusing Pelosi of singling out the four progressive women of color. When asked if she was accusing the Speaker of bias she said "of course not."
Well which is it? That was a verbal oxymoronshe insinuated the speaker is a racist one minute and in the next second when challenged she says of course the Speaker isn't racist.
I want her to learn to use her considerable gifts to wield what power she can actually gather around her in the House and cut down on the bashing of the Speaker and other Dems. She'll be much more effective that way.
Right now she's setting herself up to be primaried.
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)shown nothing but contempt for other elected democrats. Trump will make AOC and 'the squad' the face of the Democratic party next year.
brush
(53,726 posts)or some other team.
sheshe2
(83,633 posts)Thank you.
brush
(53,726 posts)again
Cha
(296,767 posts)again.
still_one
(92,060 posts)This is from the same mindset that refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, the "justice democrats".
By all indications they are pulling the same divisionary bullshit they are so well known for.
I believe the big difference this time is that most Democrat are wise to their nonesense, and will not be fooled by them
dalton99a
(81,385 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)This all began because the "Problem Solvers" caucus aka "blue dogs" or "centrist Dems" told Pelosi they would block a rule that put some restrictions on ICE and ensured that the emergency funds were actually used for their intended purpose of helping the adult and child immigrants being held in over-crowded ICE/CBP facilities.
The "problem solvers" were worried that a bill holding ICE/CBP accountable for their actions would hurt their re-election chances because the vote would be used against them, presumably in attack ads calling them "soft on immigration" or "open borders" or some other nonsense. Attacks that could be refuted without much effort by actual pictures of immigrants being detained in overcrowed conditions, actual observations by MoCs, a DHS IG report and other credible reporting on conditions along with a big dose of moral and ethical clarity. These members could realize the voters in their districts who like what Trump's doing aren't going to vote for them anyway.
One of Progressive Caucus co-chairs tweeted an unflattering, and probably over-the-top, comment calling the "problem solvers" out on their seeming lack of moral conscience. That resulted in Pelosi getting testy with some in her caucus but focused on the 4 young female freshmen.
If we would like to blame someone for the ongoing "feuding", it would be the "problem solvers" who objected to putting a few strings on the emergency funding bill.
Link: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/450717-progressive-democrat-after-border-defeat-since-when-did-problem-solvers-become
Cha
(296,767 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)The "Problem Solvers" caucus put their own political interest above that of kids being held in deplorable conditions. They did what was expedient for themselves, not what was the morally right thing to do to ensure the money went to what it was intended to correct.
Profiles in courage the Problem Solvers were not.
Me.
(35,454 posts)The all or nothing, take it or leave option after the House voted against the original bill which provided oversight but also funding for the border patrol. Nancy chose to take and get some money to the children rather than nothing. I wonder if the children would've voted for ideology over any relief they could get?
"In order to get resources to the children fastest, we will reluctantly pass the Senate bill," Pelosi wrote.
The original House version of the $4.5 billion border funding bill included oversight provisions to hold the administration accountable for the conditions at migrant facilities, and provided no funding for border wall construction. Some progressives in the House nevertheless voted against the bill because it funded Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-bill-house-passes-4-6-billion-senate-bill-for-emergency-funding-along-border/
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)House Democrats will vote Thursday on the clean Senate border funding bill instead of the measure advocated by progressives.
The Problems Solvers blocked a rule that would have put a few guardrails in the House bill. That lead to Pelosi having to agree to pass the Senate version without going to conference. I'm pretty sure the conferees would have come to an agreement very quickly and the conference bill would have been quickly approved by both chambers given the urgency of the situation.
The Problem Solvers did this because they were more worried about their own re-election chances. Period. End of story.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Blocked it. As I said, it was take it or leave it after the original bill failed. and AOC and squad left it. And going after the problem solvers will get you nowhere as they are not the grand standers. AOC and others running to the border for the first time after this has been going on for so long. What took them so long when they are SO VERY CONCERNED and when is their second trip planned? Never would be my guess. So support AOC all you want, but there is very little truth in what she and her nazi tee shirt wearing aide are up to.
Cha
(296,767 posts)and thank you
Cha
(296,767 posts)Vegas Roller
(704 posts)He is in it for himself, milking the far left for monetary gains.
Chakraborti is poison.
mcar
(42,278 posts)Instead, here we are again bashing Speaker Pelosi.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)It shows a woeful lack of understanding of Democratic Party history, along with a lack of common sense.
He's too young to remember the "Southern Democrats." Because of that, he minimizes their racism by attempting to brand current Democrats with that label.
I suspect he will soon be looking for other employment.
People need to watch their Twitter utterances very closely and analyze them for potential stupid bombs.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Mahalo Cha
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)obamanut2012
(26,041 posts)Saying there is "nuance."
Dude was straight up Nazi collaborator and buddy of Hitler and Himmler... until they didn't help him fast enough.
His troops took an oath to HITLER.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,896 posts)Not good.
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)She shows nothing but contempt for her fellow Democrats just as he does.
DFW
(54,268 posts)If she's just waiting for the right moment, then she's as sly as I think she might be. If she's not, then she's nowhere as smart as I thought she was.
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)betsuni
(25,367 posts)Justice Democrats should make a list, too.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and pushing her to do it. If they instructed their top staff members to refuse to work with him, he'd be unable to do his job, which of course is hers. That might explain his spew of the poison he's mostly been holding back.
What's not clear is why she chimed in supportively with her incredibly dishonest and politically stupid accusations that they were attacking her because she wasn't white. Talk about trying to make enemies!
I'd love to know if she's just been reminded that she's wandered too far from a radical anti-Democratic "revolution" she really believes in or whether professional swiftboaters Chakrabarti and the others have been threatening her into going along. Her personal staff includes dozens who would have been mostly chosen by chief-of-staff Chakrabarti; her also-large legislative staff I don't know but suspect he would have had a big say in also.
If she did want to separate, knowing they'd turn on her, she'd need to be building a representative record to run on and would need all the support she could get from the party...
?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Congressional Black Caucus members are furious at Justice Democrats, accusing the outside progressive group aligned with firebrand Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) of trying to oust lawmakers of color, specifically African American lawmakers.
Justice Democrats is backing primary challengers to eight-term Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), a Hispanic Caucus member, and 10-term Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC). The insurgent group also made noise this year about challenging Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), a CBC member seen as the heir apparent to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). And CBC leaders are fretting that Justice Democrats may target other black lawmakers in the coming weeks and months, including Reps. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), Joyce Beatty (D-Ohio), Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) and Anthony Brown (D-Md.). Brown said the group has been making calls in his district, actively trying to recruit a challenger to run against him something that Justice Democrats denies. ...
I dont know what that agenda is, but if they want to come after members of the Black Caucus, its two ways, warned Meeks, the Queens Democratic Party boss who clashed with Justice Democrats in a local district attorney race last month.
The CBC and Hispanic caucuses will make SUCH great additions to the list of enemies they're making...
betsuni
(25,367 posts)No room I guess.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Cha
(296,767 posts)betsuni
(25,367 posts)Worked pretty well in 2016, not so much anymore.
Cha
(296,767 posts)DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)Bless Mr. Chakrabarti heart Cha.
CBHagman
(16,980 posts)...and belatedly looked at Chakrabarti's Twitter account as well as the Justice Democrats'. It's difficult to know where to start, but I'd mention right off the bat that leadership is earned, not bestowed, and it's not savvy for them to arrive in Congress and declare it's their time. No one gets anything done without forming alliances and without workable strategies.
I often wonder if technology has skewed people's sense of reality, people's expectations.
Cha
(296,767 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)So whats this oblivious-to-actual-history shit about New Southern Democrats? The Deep Souths been solid Republican since the Civil Rights era.
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)(warning offensive language)
Homophobic and racist tweets from another one of the co-founders (several tweets in the thread I'm not posting)...
Link to tweet
FYI - Kulinski is no longer affiliated with JDs, however the justification for his departure is something.
from Wikipedia - On December 22, 2017, it was announced that Uygur had resigned from his position at the organization, following the revelation of previously deleted but archived controversial blog posts he had written.[19] The following day, Kulinski announced that he had stepped down from the organization as he disagreed with the opinions of the Justice Democrats staff members that pressed for Uygur's dismissal over the blog posts. He said his decision came as a result of a personal dilemma as he saw the posts in question upon re-reading them as being satirical due to them dealing with Uygur complaining about his inability to attract women.
Cha
(296,767 posts)twisting and spinning on why KK left JD.
Thanks for this, PunkinPi.. I think they're toxic and it's beneficial that more is coming out about them.
Chakrabarti, himself, helped a lot with that.