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Cha

(296,767 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:15 AM Jul 2019

Good reporting here on a very bad situation in the House majority. I had not fully appreciated just

how hurtful AOC's aide has been to veteran African-American Reps.. "


Context for those who hadn't seen the tweet of whom I am one.


Hyperbolic Gas Lighting much, Chakrabarti?

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Good reporting here on a very bad situation in the House majority. I had not fully appreciated just (Original Post) Cha Jul 2019 OP
A terrible thing to say! Obviously mouth and brain are disengaged Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #1
Yes! And, Nancy was standing up Cha Jul 2019 #3
Mahalo, to you cha!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #18
Maybe not... pangaia Jul 2019 #40
It was a horrible thing to say. Cha Jul 2019 #41
i agree. i meant maybe his brain and mouth WERE in fact connected... pangaia Jul 2019 #56
Yeah, I figured that's Cha Jul 2019 #57
Very disturbing. Why would he have posted that? ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #2
That's an excellent thought.. Cha Jul 2019 #6
Mahalo, Cha! ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #11
Yeah, Nancy is looking to the future Cha Jul 2019 #13
:) Yes you do. Brand New Congress, Hortensis Jul 2019 #96
+1 betsuni Jul 2019 #100
Thanks, Hortensis.. I really Cha Jul 2019 #115
It Does Make You Wonder Me. Jul 2019 #65
AOC is beating the drum peggysue2 Jul 2019 #83
More from Tom Watson melman Jul 2019 #4
Yes, melman.. and Tom Watson has Cha Jul 2019 #9
Yes, Cha melman Jul 2019 #12
Chakabarti is Wrong and So is AOC.. Cha Jul 2019 #14
"Show me where I said that. You can't." What do you call that thing in your sig-line? Big, colorful Hekate Jul 2019 #23
Yeah, I'll post it again to make a point.. in Cha Jul 2019 #35
No melman Jul 2019 #36
I guess if you "stand" with her you "stand" with her personnel decisions, right? George II Jul 2019 #55
But, she has to be ok with Cha Jul 2019 #61
Call the number of her Jackson Heights office: George II Jul 2019 #58
1. Please Visit Us On The Web @AOC... Me. Jul 2019 #71
That's all. And her other "office", in the Bronx, is a desk in State Assembly Member Reyes' Office. George II Jul 2019 #72
So What Is She Using Her Allowance On? Me. Jul 2019 #74
She could have moved right in to Crowley's office, like just about every other newly elected... George II Jul 2019 #77
+1 myohmy2 Jul 2019 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jul 2019 #54
You Go Ahead And Post This All Day If You Wish Me. Jul 2019 #66
More from Chakrabarti, do you "stand" with this and his choice of t-shirt? George II Jul 2019 #78
I would have posted it if you hadn't Clash City Rocker Jul 2019 #102
That shows that Watson is an objective source. lapucelle Jul 2019 #91
It shows something melman Jul 2019 #92
It shows exactly that. lapucelle Jul 2019 #93
Oh? What do you have to say about Tom Cha Jul 2019 #136
I don't have anything to say about Tom Watson, cha melman Jul 2019 #137
Good.. no more trying to deflect when Cha Jul 2019 #138
+1 myohmy2 Jul 2019 #119
Chakrabarti has to go wysi Jul 2019 #5
I know, wysi.. Chakabarti needs to be held Cha Jul 2019 #30
He deleted the tweet. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #95
And, yet it lives forever! The Damage is Done.. Cha Jul 2019 #107
Just came of a thread where he is going after Sharice Davids as well. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #108
What?! omg! Cha Jul 2019 #109
I found it. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #111
Thanks, she! George has it there, too.. Cha Jul 2019 #112
Chakrabarti went to Harvard and worked at wall street and silicon valley JI7 Jul 2019 #7
That's ok with me.. but his Insulting Cha Jul 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Jul 2019 #8
chakrabarti called on Al Franken to resign JI7 Jul 2019 #10
Thanks for that, JI7.. Cha Jul 2019 #16
Yes, but he's a guy so it's ok mcar Jul 2019 #60
38 senators and it is only about Gillibrand. The hypocrisy. silentEcho Jul 2019 #73
Indeed. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #76
Yes mcar Jul 2019 #94
Thanks for posting this, Cha! Important information about what's going on. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #17
Just trying for some Reality here, highplainsdem! Cha Jul 2019 #25
That guy needs to go!! Aoc should take a stand.. very very damaging Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #19
Chakabarti does need to be held accountable Cha Jul 2019 #37
criticism is absolutely justified stopdiggin Jul 2019 #20
Well put, stopdiggin! Thank You! Cha Jul 2019 #42
Holy hells -- he said WHAT?! To AOC: Hey girl, this jerk needs to GO. Hekate Jul 2019 #21
Holy hells is right, Hekate! I hope he Cha Jul 2019 #43
Republican crooks sponsor climate change & treason. The Earth is burning up. Let's attack Democrats! NBachers Jul 2019 #22
+1 betsuni Jul 2019 #24
Mahalo, Bachers.. Cha Jul 2019 #52
looks like fifth column shit to me Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #26
Thank You for your Cha Jul 2019 #117
Punch the hippie rusty quoin Jul 2019 #27
What the hell are you talking about? Cha Jul 2019 #28
Pelosi is the Adult True Blue American Jul 2019 #32
This is beyond the Pale from Chakabarti.. Cha Jul 2019 #45
Those who still True Blue American Jul 2019 #47
You know what I'm talking about. rusty quoin Jul 2019 #29
you posted that to yourself.. Cha Jul 2019 #34
Best thing to do is continue crouching behind innuendo and implication. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #53
Well said! Cha Jul 2019 #114
What hippie, where? betsuni Jul 2019 #39
Memo to ALL house reps.. SoCalDem Jul 2019 #31
Wish we had Thanks here!:) True Blue American Jul 2019 #48
Thank You, SoCalDem! Cha Jul 2019 #118
AOC has let her chief of staff get out of control. brush Jul 2019 #33
I'm sure AOC and her CoS are on the same page. Both have comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #80
The situation certainly doesn't look good. Makes you wonder if they're on the Dem team... brush Jul 2019 #88
Excellent post, brush. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #97
Thank you, sheshe. brush Jul 2019 #104
I lulz'd KG Jul 2019 #38
Of course you are.. Cha Jul 2019 #135
WTF. Chakrabarti should resign immediately for calling Democrats he doesn't agree with as racist still_one Jul 2019 #44
+1. They learned well from the old master dalton99a Jul 2019 #79
K&R brer cat Jul 2019 #46
Here is the context DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #49
This is what the OP is about. Cha Jul 2019 #50
THe Call Out Was To Name Them The Child Abusers Dems Me. Jul 2019 #67
Here's a nicer way to put it DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #87
And Here's Another Way To Frame It Me. Jul 2019 #89
Here is the lead from The Hill report linked above DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #99
They Were Never Gomg To Get Those Guardrails After Aoc & Group Me. Jul 2019 #101
Thank You, Me.. have you seen this? Cha Jul 2019 #128
I Hadn't Me. Jul 2019 #133
You're Welcome! Thanks to betsuni! Cha Jul 2019 #134
Chakraborti has no loyalties to the Democratic party Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #51
He should lose his job for that mcar Jul 2019 #59
That was a brainless comment from Chakrabarti. MineralMan Jul 2019 #62
K&R nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #63
I Had Not Appreciated It Either Me. Jul 2019 #64
Isn't this the guy who has a shirt with a Nazi on it? AOC should have fired him already. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #68
Yes.. Cha Jul 2019 #69
She should have already fired him for attacking Black House members. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #70
Yup, that some DUers are defending obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #90
There is no nuance with nazis. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #116
AOC needs to fire that guy. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #75
Why would she fire someone who reflects her own views? comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #81
I think at this point, both of them realize he's expendable. DFW Jul 2019 #84
I hope you are right. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #85
+1 dalton99a Jul 2019 #86
Thanks Cha! Scurrilous Jul 2019 #82
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #98
Making enemies seems to be important to these pseudo-revolutionary types. betsuni Jul 2019 #103
Yes! Just read Oasio's fellow members have been wanting him fired Hortensis Jul 2019 #105
Oh, and the Black Caucus says they're going after black members! Hortensis Jul 2019 #106
Funny how Republicans don't seem to appear on the lists. betsuni Jul 2019 #110
Uhuh. Funny characteristic of LW extremists. Hortensis Jul 2019 #126
It's like the Dem version of the tea party.....the friggin "Latte Party". EYE ROLL. NT UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #122
Here's another enemy Chakabarti is trying to make.. Cha Jul 2019 #121
It's the old "Democrats are the REAL racists" propaganda. betsuni Jul 2019 #123
So many standing up for Rep Davids! Cha Jul 2019 #124
New Southern Democrats?! DashOneBravo Jul 2019 #113
Just catching up with this story... CBHagman Jul 2019 #125
Very well said, CBH.. Thank You! Cha Jul 2019 #127
1964 GOP states won in GE: Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Arizona. VOX Jul 2019 #129
Justice Democrats seem mighty problematic... PunkinPi Jul 2019 #130
Oh gawd.. that's some Cha Jul 2019 #131
Absolutely, sunlight is the best disenfectant... PunkinPi Jul 2019 #132

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. Very disturbing. Why would he have posted that?
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jul 2019

It makes one wonder just what is being said about Pelosi in the AOC and other progressive camps behind closed doors. I mean, this tweet was not created in a vacuum. There was a context, and I don't think it was merely what AOC has been posting.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
6. That's an excellent thought..
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:35 AM
Jul 2019

".. it was not created in a vacuum..".

What are they thinking?! I'm pretty sure Nancy is thinking that she wants the Democratic House to win in 2020 like she helped make happen in the BlueWave of 2018!



Mahalo, ProudLib!

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. Mahalo, Cha!
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:40 AM
Jul 2019

Yes, I'm imagining a conspiracy going down. At the very least, a lot of divisive trash talk that does our party no good.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
13. Yeah, Nancy is looking to the future
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:47 AM
Jul 2019

and Winning.. I don't know what the hell Chakabarti thinks he's doing.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
96. :) Yes you do. Brand New Congress,
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:03 PM
Jul 2019

After all, is the name of JD’s Siamese twin group. This was his usual, a constant spew of anti-democratic party hate messages, before Ocasio was sworn in and brought him into the big times. Over 200 representatives sent by Democratic voters to Congress are their take-out targets, including of course Pelosi and the rest of our leadership.

Ambitious little scorpions. I don’t know just how strongly Ocasio does or does not share their attitudes, but I strongly suspect firing him and the others he’s packed her staff with would turn them into dangerous enemies. They spent 2016 spreading anti-Hillary/anti-Democratic Party lies, after all, so would know how to take her down.

It’d be interesting to know just what brought on this bout of Chakrabarti’s acting out of his true self.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
115. Thanks, Hortensis.. I really
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:56 PM
Jul 2019

haven't paid any attention to the "brand new congress" so Mahalo for filling me in!

Me.

(35,454 posts)
65. It Does Make You Wonder
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:58 AM
Jul 2019

Maybe what they should be doing is making a second trip to the border...after all this is a terrible situation and it's money where your mouth is time.

peggysue2

(10,819 posts)
83. AOC is beating the drum
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:39 PM
Jul 2019

For her twitter followers primarily, all to enhance 'the movement' she apparently believes she's leading. She's having some success in bending perceptions her way. I've been reading unflattering comments about Pelosi all week, how Pelosi is strangling free expression and progress, how she's 'old guard' and should step aside.

I'm getting really tired of these whiners.

From the mouth of someone who has been on the job how long???? vs a woman who has worked in the trenches for 20-30 years and produced actual results for the Democratic Party. The comparison between these two women isn't even close. Crazier yet is Nancy Pelosi is a dedicated liberal; she has the record to prove it.

Her aide, however, went too far with that tweet, comparing Blue Dog Dems (which now includes anyone beyond the far left) to Southern Democrats fighting against equality for people of color. He and she are receiving the appropriate blowback.

They deserve it!

Cha

(296,767 posts)
9. Yes, melman.. and Tom Watson has
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:39 AM
Jul 2019

praised AOC before so we know he's not biased about the tweet in the OP.

And, yeah.. you "stand" with this..




 

melman

(7,681 posts)
12. Yes, Cha
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:44 AM
Jul 2019

I saw all that in the first post. No need to post it again.


"And, yeah.. you "stand" with this.."


Show me where I said that. You can't.

Hekate

(90,527 posts)
23. "Show me where I said that. You can't." What do you call that thing in your sig-line? Big, colorful
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:31 AM
Jul 2019

...and says out loud : "I Stand With AOC."

Cha

(296,767 posts)
35. Yeah, I'll post it again to make a point.. in
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:26 AM
Jul 2019

case you missed it.

And, yeah the "you stand with that" is in your sig line.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
36. No
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:40 AM
Jul 2019

My sig says I stand with AOC


This refers to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)

Perhaps you're unfamiliar? more info here https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. I guess if you "stand" with her you "stand" with her personnel decisions, right?
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:07 AM
Jul 2019

Chakrabarti is her Chief of Staff and was her campaign manager. So I suppose you stand with him, too? I noticed that with this current dust up and him being more arrogant in his tweets, he's changed his profile:

"CoS to @AOC. My tweets are my own and not the views of my employer."

But that's not entirely true (surprised?) - since he retweets just about everything she tweets, HIS tweets ARE the views of his employer.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
61. But, she has to be ok with
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:06 AM
Jul 2019

them or she would tell him he's hurting her image, right?

Nice gas lighting deniability. Why would anyone want a COS staff around who tweets divisive, hurtful accusations if it wasn't approved? It's incomprehensible.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
71. 1. Please Visit Us On The Web @AOC...
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:37 AM
Jul 2019

2. PLease call again

3.Click

4. So... what?...No personnel, no leave a message?

George II

(67,782 posts)
72. That's all. And her other "office", in the Bronx, is a desk in State Assembly Member Reyes' Office.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jul 2019

Me.

(35,454 posts)
74. So What Is She Using Her Allowance On?
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:56 AM
Jul 2019

Allowances
“Each member receives the same amount of MRA funds for personal expenses. Allowances for office expenses vary from member to member based on the distance between the member's home district and Washington, D.C., and the average rent for office space in the member's home district. Allowances for mailing vary based on the number of residential mailing addresses in the member's home district as reported by the U.S. Census Bureau.

In 2016, each member’s MRA increased by 1% from the 2015 level, and the MRAs range from $1,207,510 to $1,383,709, with an average of $1,268,520.

Most of each member's annual MRA allowance is used to pay their office personnel. In 2016, for example, the office personnel allowance for each member was $944,671.”

https://www.thoughtco.com/allowances-to-members-of-congress-3322261

George II

(67,782 posts)
77. She could have moved right in to Crowley's office, like just about every other newly elected...
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:17 PM
Jul 2019

....MOC did. But she complained the rent went up a few thousand dollars (we don't really know that) so she was building a new office. The interesting thing is the cost of the new office construction is MUCH higher than the rent increase over two years. Plus, it could have been open on day one, now we're more than six months into the term (one-quarter of two years!) and still no office.

Response to melman (Reply #12)

George II

(67,782 posts)
78. More from Chakrabarti, do you "stand" with this and his choice of t-shirt?
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:21 PM
Jul 2019

You might find the biography of the person on that shirt, Subhas Chandra Bose, quite disturbing.


Clash City Rocker

(3,385 posts)
102. I would have posted it if you hadn't
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:38 PM
Jul 2019

AOC is drifting danger close to Jill Stein territory. When you drift far enough to the left, you are indistinguishable from someone in the far right.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
136. Oh? What do you have to say about Tom
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:54 PM
Jul 2019

Watson, melman? Does it have anything to do with what Chakrabarti is tweeting? AOC's COS?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
137. I don't have anything to say about Tom Watson, cha
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jul 2019

nor did I suggest I did have anything to say about him.


If you missed the point I was trying to make it's really not my problem. So sorry.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
138. Good.. no more trying to deflect when
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jul 2019

Tom Watson is the messenger.

Anything to say about the actual OP? Chakrabarti's message? AOC's COS?

Cha

(296,767 posts)
30. I know, wysi.. Chakabarti needs to be held
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:23 AM
Jul 2019

responsible for his words.

Many activists who admired AOC are not okay with this.

sheshe2

(83,633 posts)
95. He deleted the tweet.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jul 2019

That is not enough. He needs to issue an apology, though I won't hold my breath. That was a down right ugly thing to say.

Thanks, Cha.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
107. And, yet it lives forever! The Damage is Done..
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:22 PM
Jul 2019

Taking lessons from david sirota? When you don't want to be he held accountable you just delete?

Thank You, she.. sigh.

sheshe2

(83,633 posts)
108. Just came of a thread where he is going after Sharice Davids as well.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:29 PM
Jul 2019

Called her a racist enabler.
JHC!

sheshe2

(83,633 posts)
111. I found it.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:39 PM
Jul 2019

OK Nancy, here.

://www.democraticunderground.com/100212271007#post4

OKNancy (39,978 posts)

4. I hate that the right-wingers exposed this but

she needs to get rid of him. He's a liability and I thought this before I even read this article.

He deleted a bunch of nasty tweets but I saved this one. Called out Sharice Davids of all people. Not sure if it is still there:


Julian Brave NoiseCat

@jnoisecat
· Jun 27, 2019
Replying to @jnoisecat @saikatc
Well looks like you deleted your tweet. Good on you


Saikat Chakrabarti
@saikatc
I think the point still stands. I don't think people have to be personally racist to enable a racist system. And the same could even be said of the Southern De
mocrats. I don't believe Sharice is a racist person, but her votes are showing her to enable a racist system.

3
6:35 PM - Jun 27, 2019

--- The deleted ones were worse--- btw, I'm not @jnoisecat

Cha

(296,767 posts)
112. Thanks, she! George has it there, too..
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:48 PM
Jul 2019

in this forever form.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/100212271007#post4

I'm sure Sharice Davids will be happy to learn AOC's COS thinks she "votes to enable a racist system".

What a pile of gas lighting.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
15. That's ok with me.. but his Insulting
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:02 AM
Jul 2019

Dems with these kinds of gas lighting accusations are not.

Response to Cha (Original post)

JI7

(89,239 posts)
10. chakrabarti called on Al Franken to resign
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:39 AM
Jul 2019

considering all the crap Gillibrand gets for that.........

Cha

(296,767 posts)
25. Just trying for some Reality here, highplainsdem!
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:47 AM
Jul 2019

It's a hard row to hoe sometimes when there's so much gas lighting going on.

Thank You for helping!

stopdiggin

(11,235 posts)
20. criticism is absolutely justified
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:22 AM
Jul 2019

We have to be able to tell the difference between a firebrand (occasional a good thing) -- and a bomb thrower. And the people that have trouble finding that distinction are not helping the cause. Passionate advocacy is one thing. Virulent attacks against your neighbors ..?

NBachers

(17,080 posts)
22. Republican crooks sponsor climate change & treason. The Earth is burning up. Let's attack Democrats!
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:28 AM
Jul 2019

Our Party was attacked from within by "insurgents" and putschists during the last election cycle. How'd that work out?

Not this time, Saikat

Cha

(296,767 posts)
52. Mahalo, Bachers..
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:36 AM
Jul 2019

It's almost unfathomable how a Dem Rep's COS could send such a cruel, gas lighting, divisive message like that.

But, here we are.

Yes, Not This Time.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,236 posts)
26. looks like fifth column shit to me
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:01 AM
Jul 2019

I suggest Saikat Chakrabarti come chat with some of my neighbors to find out what "Southern Democrats" are really like. His history is a bit off, too; it didn't end in the '40s. Dixiecrats stampeded from the party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Pelosi has long been the target of the party of extremists. Why are there suddenly members of the Democratic party aiding the propaganda? Pelosi may be Speaker, but she still has 1 vote. If you're frustrated with progress, get more votes.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
117. Thank You for your
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:29 PM
Jul 2019

historical perspective, Hermit.

It was a sickeningly, mean-spirited, disingenuous, accusation.. I've read he's now deleted it.. but the damage is done and lives forever on the internet.

Chakabarti needs to be held accountable for what he tweets out.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
32. Pelosi is the Adult
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:53 AM
Jul 2019

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:45 AM - Edit history (1)

And so are Cummings,, john Lewis, Maxine Waters and all the others who have fought the good fight for many years!

Democrats do not need a Freedom Caucus of disrupters..

Cha

(296,767 posts)
45. This is beyond the Pale from Chakabarti..
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:36 AM
Jul 2019

It's hard to wrap my mind around the mean-spirited attacks on Dems that have nothing to do with reality.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
47. Those who still
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:48 AM
Jul 2019

Think race-baiting still works should visit my neighborhood. Been integrated for 50 years. Most people think of others as people, not race or color.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
34. you posted that to yourself..
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:02 AM
Jul 2019

No.. you need to explain yourself.





Nancy's thinking about Winning the House Again in 2020..

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. Best thing to do is continue crouching behind innuendo and implication.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:39 AM
Jul 2019

Otherwise, you may have to own up to your own words.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
31. Memo to ALL house reps..
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:32 AM
Jul 2019

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:30 AM - Edit history (1)

STAY OFF TWITTER/FACEBOOK!

Do your daily work/tend to your constituents.

Stop trying so hard (in public) to "change the world".FYI, you can pass all kind of good laws, BUT the senate is not gonna play ball and Trump is no help... You are spinning your wheels..

and if all you do is lob grenades at each other, you will be a minority soon.

brush

(53,726 posts)
33. AOC has let her chief of staff get out of control.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:02 AM
Jul 2019

He calls other Dems segregationists and today she insinuated that the Speaker is a racist. Just think if AOC had begun early on to build a voting block of other reps..

she could've went to the Speaker with actual leverage that could've torpedoed that immigration bill if it wasn't changed.

IMO in six months in office a lot of that time has been spent battling with the Speaker and other Dems on social media and in the corridors of the House as she did today by accusing Pelosi of singling out the four progressive women of color. When asked if she was accusing the Speaker of bias she said "of course not."

Well which is it? That was a verbal oxymoron—she insinuated the speaker is a racist one minute and in the next second when challenged she says of course the Speaker isn't racist.

I want her to learn to use her considerable gifts to wield what power she can actually gather around her in the House and cut down on the bashing of the Speaker and other Dems. She'll be much more effective that way.

Right now she's setting herself up to be primaried.

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
80. I'm sure AOC and her CoS are on the same page. Both have
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jul 2019

shown nothing but contempt for other elected democrats. Trump will make AOC and 'the squad' the face of the Democratic party next year.

brush

(53,726 posts)
88. The situation certainly doesn't look good. Makes you wonder if they're on the Dem team...
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jul 2019

or some other team.

still_one

(92,060 posts)
44. WTF. Chakrabarti should resign immediately for calling Democrats he doesn't agree with as racist
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:10 AM
Jul 2019

This is from the same mindset that refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, the "justice democrats".

By all indications they are pulling the same divisionary bullshit they are so well known for.

I believe the big difference this time is that most Democrat are wise to their nonesense, and will not be fooled by them






DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
49. Here is the context
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:58 AM
Jul 2019

This all began because the "Problem Solvers" caucus aka "blue dogs" or "centrist Dems" told Pelosi they would block a rule that put some restrictions on ICE and ensured that the emergency funds were actually used for their intended purpose of helping the adult and child immigrants being held in over-crowded ICE/CBP facilities.

The "problem solvers" were worried that a bill holding ICE/CBP accountable for their actions would hurt their re-election chances because the vote would be used against them, presumably in attack ads calling them "soft on immigration" or "open borders" or some other nonsense. Attacks that could be refuted without much effort by actual pictures of immigrants being detained in overcrowed conditions, actual observations by MoCs, a DHS IG report and other credible reporting on conditions along with a big dose of moral and ethical clarity. These members could realize the voters in their districts who like what Trump's doing aren't going to vote for them anyway.

One of Progressive Caucus co-chairs tweeted an unflattering, and probably over-the-top, comment calling the "problem solvers" out on their seeming lack of moral conscience. That resulted in Pelosi getting testy with some in her caucus but focused on the 4 young female freshmen.

If we would like to blame someone for the ongoing "feuding", it would be the "problem solvers" who objected to putting a few strings on the emergency funding bill.

Link: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/450717-progressive-democrat-after-border-defeat-since-when-did-problem-solvers-become

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
87. Here's a nicer way to put it
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:50 PM
Jul 2019

The "Problem Solvers" caucus put their own political interest above that of kids being held in deplorable conditions. They did what was expedient for themselves, not what was the morally right thing to do to ensure the money went to what it was intended to correct.

Profiles in courage the Problem Solvers were not.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
89. And Here's Another Way To Frame It
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jul 2019

The all or nothing, take it or leave option after the House voted against the original bill which provided oversight but also funding for the border patrol. Nancy chose to take and get some money to the children rather than nothing. I wonder if the children would've voted for ideology over any relief they could get?

"In order to get resources to the children fastest, we will reluctantly pass the Senate bill," Pelosi wrote.

The original House version of the $4.5 billion border funding bill included oversight provisions to hold the administration accountable for the conditions at migrant facilities, and provided no funding for border wall construction. Some progressives in the House nevertheless voted against the bill because it funded Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-bill-house-passes-4-6-billion-senate-bill-for-emergency-funding-along-border/

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
99. Here is the lead from The Hill report linked above
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jul 2019
ep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, blasted a revolt by centrist House Democrats on Thursday that blocked the emergency border funding measure championed by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and liberal Democrats.

House Democrats will vote Thursday on the clean Senate border funding bill instead of the measure advocated by progressives.


The Problems Solvers blocked a rule that would have put a few guardrails in the House bill. That lead to Pelosi having to agree to pass the Senate version without going to conference. I'm pretty sure the conferees would have come to an agreement very quickly and the conference bill would have been quickly approved by both chambers given the urgency of the situation.

The Problem Solvers did this because they were more worried about their own re-election chances. Period. End of story.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
101. They Were Never Gomg To Get Those Guardrails After Aoc & Group
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:31 PM
Jul 2019

Blocked it. As I said, it was take it or leave it after the original bill failed. and AOC and squad left it. And going after the problem solvers will get you nowhere as they are not the grand standers. AOC and others running to the border for the first time after this has been going on for so long. What took them so long when they are SO VERY CONCERNED and when is their second trip planned? Never would be my guess. So support AOC all you want, but there is very little truth in what she and her nazi tee shirt wearing aide are up to.

 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
51. Chakraborti has no loyalties to the Democratic party
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:13 AM
Jul 2019

He is in it for himself, milking the far left for monetary gains.

Chakraborti is poison.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
62. That was a brainless comment from Chakrabarti.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:14 AM
Jul 2019

It shows a woeful lack of understanding of Democratic Party history, along with a lack of common sense.

He's too young to remember the "Southern Democrats." Because of that, he minimizes their racism by attempting to brand current Democrats with that label.

I suspect he will soon be looking for other employment.

People need to watch their Twitter utterances very closely and analyze them for potential stupid bombs.

obamanut2012

(26,041 posts)
90. Yup, that some DUers are defending
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jul 2019

Saying there is "nuance."

Dude was straight up Nazi collaborator and buddy of Hitler and Himmler... until they didn't help him fast enough.

His troops took an oath to HITLER.

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
81. Why would she fire someone who reflects her own views?
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:32 PM
Jul 2019

She shows nothing but contempt for her fellow Democrats just as he does.

DFW

(54,268 posts)
84. I think at this point, both of them realize he's expendable.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jul 2019

If she's just waiting for the right moment, then she's as sly as I think she might be. If she's not, then she's nowhere as smart as I thought she was.

betsuni

(25,367 posts)
103. Making enemies seems to be important to these pseudo-revolutionary types.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jul 2019

Justice Democrats should make a list, too.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
105. Yes! Just read Oasio's fellow members have been wanting him fired
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:40 PM
Jul 2019

and pushing her to do it. If they instructed their top staff members to refuse to work with him, he'd be unable to do his job, which of course is hers. That might explain his spew of the poison he's mostly been holding back.

What's not clear is why she chimed in supportively with her incredibly dishonest and politically stupid accusations that they were attacking her because she wasn't white. Talk about trying to make enemies!

I'd love to know if she's just been reminded that she's wandered too far from a radical anti-Democratic "revolution" she really believes in or whether professional swiftboaters Chakrabarti and the others have been threatening her into going along. Her personal staff includes dozens who would have been mostly chosen by chief-of-staff Chakrabarti; her also-large legislative staff I don't know but suspect he would have had a big say in also.

If she did want to separate, knowing they'd turn on her, she'd need to be building a representative record to run on and would need all the support she could get from the party...

?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
106. Oh, and the Black Caucus says they're going after black members!
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jul 2019
The Hill:

Congressional Black Caucus members are furious at Justice Democrats, accusing the outside progressive group aligned with firebrand Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) of trying to oust lawmakers of color, specifically African American lawmakers.

Justice Democrats is backing primary challengers to eight-term Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), a Hispanic Caucus member, and 10-term Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC). The insurgent group also made noise this year about challenging Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), a CBC member seen as the heir apparent to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). And CBC leaders are fretting that Justice Democrats may target other black lawmakers in the coming weeks and months, including Reps. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), Joyce Beatty (D-Ohio), Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) and Anthony Brown (D-Md.). Brown said the group has been making calls in his district, actively trying to recruit a challenger to run against him — something that Justice Democrats denies. ...

“I don’t know what that agenda is, but if they want to come after members of the Black Caucus, it’s two ways,” warned Meeks, the Queens Democratic Party boss who clashed with Justice Democrats in a local district attorney race last month.


The CBC and Hispanic caucuses will make SUCH great additions to the list of enemies they're making...

betsuni

(25,367 posts)
123. It's the old "Democrats are the REAL racists" propaganda.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:52 AM
Jul 2019

Worked pretty well in 2016, not so much anymore.

CBHagman

(16,980 posts)
125. Just catching up with this story...
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:59 AM
Jul 2019

...and belatedly looked at Chakrabarti's Twitter account as well as the Justice Democrats'. It's difficult to know where to start, but I'd mention right off the bat that leadership is earned, not bestowed, and it's not savvy for them to arrive in Congress and declare it's their time. No one gets anything done without forming alliances and without workable strategies.

I often wonder if technology has skewed people's sense of reality, people's expectations.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
127. Very well said, CBH.. Thank You!
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:19 PM
Jul 2019
No one gets anything done without forming alliances and without workable strategies.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
129. 1964 GOP states won in GE: Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Arizona.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:55 AM
Jul 2019

So what’s this oblivious-to-actual-history shit about “New Southern Democrats”? The Deep South’s been solid Republican since the Civil Rights era.

PunkinPi

(4,874 posts)
130. Justice Democrats seem mighty problematic...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:42 AM
Jul 2019

(warning offensive language)

Homophobic and racist tweets from another one of the co-founders (several tweets in the thread I'm not posting)...




FYI - Kulinski is no longer affiliated with JDs, however the justification for his departure is something.

from Wikipedia - On December 22, 2017, it was announced that Uygur had resigned from his position at the organization, following the revelation of previously deleted but archived controversial blog posts he had written.[19] The following day, Kulinski announced that he had stepped down from the organization as he disagreed with the opinions of the Justice Democrats staff members that pressed for Uygur's dismissal over the blog posts. He said his decision came as a result of a personal dilemma as he saw the posts in question upon re-reading them as being satirical due to them dealing with Uygur complaining about his inability to attract women.

Cha

(296,767 posts)
131. Oh gawd.. that's some
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:55 AM
Jul 2019

twisting and spinning on why KK left JD.

Thanks for this, PunkinPi.. I think they're toxic and it's beneficial that more is coming out about them.

Chakrabarti, himself, helped a lot with that.





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